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  1. Don't be fooled by the relief Joint Force is giving you. It's a great product, but far too many people get relief and feel they can jump right back into their old routine. The injury still needs rehabed correctly to avoid new or further injuries. Keep using Joint Force and work slowly back into your lifts. I highly recommend using bands as part of your routine.

    As for the doctor telling you that you should avoid those lifts....ehhhh, I'm not sure if I buy it. Now I personally am not a doctor, and can only speak from experience. But, I firmly believe if you use correct form...and slowly progress, these lifts are fine. I personally injured mine about 3 years ago. I correctly rehabed mine, and now can do free weight seated military presses with 315lbs.

    A key to the lift IMO is to only bring the elbows down just below parralel. Far too many people bring the elbows down all the way to their sides. THIS is what puts the shoulders in a bad position...and in the position to get hurt. Just bring the elbows down just below parallel and you will have a great workout. It still leaves you with a incredible ROM during the lift. Use front and side dumbell raises to hit the rest.
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by nimbustim View Post
    Don't be fooled by the relief Joint Force is giving you. It's a great product, but far too many people get relief and feel they can jump right back into their old routine. The injury still needs rehabed correctly to avoid new or further injuries. Keep using Joint Force and work slowly back into your lifts. I highly recommend using bands as part of your routine.

    As for the doctor telling you that you should avoid those lifts....ehhhh, I'm not sure if I buy it. Now I personally am not a doctor, and can only speak from experience. But, I firmly believe if you use correct form...and slowly progress, these lifts are fine. I personally injured mine about 3 years ago. I correctly rehabed mine, and now can do free weight seated military presses with 315lbs.

    A key to the lift IMO is to only bring the elbows down just below parralel. Far too many people bring the elbows down all the way to their sides. THIS is what puts the shoulders in a bad position...and in the position to get hurt. Just bring the elbows down just below parallel and you will have a great workout. It still leaves you with a incredible ROM during the lift. Use front and side dumbell raises to hit the rest.

    My last two chest/shoulder sessions I have left out the seated dumbell presses and dumbell side laterals. Maybe I'll work them back in but I'm not sure right now. I think age is also a factor here too. Also do I really need to do isolation exercises to hit the shoulders?. I'm not trying to be a bodybuilder and never plan on it. As long as I can still go to the gym and lift weights as I age I'll be happy. I'm turning 40 this summer and well things just aren't the same as when I was in my 20's or even early 30's.

    The two, well three exercises that bother me are,

    1) Seated Font Dumbell Press - works the Anterior deltoids

    2) Standing Dumbell Side Laterals- works the Medial Deltoids

    3) Machine shoulder press- "googled" what exact muscles are worked but couldn't find anything. Sure it works the shoulders but what part and is it an isolation exercise like the others or compound movement?

    Anyway I tried the machine shoulder press in place of the others thinking maybe I wouldn't get the pain but I did, so after that I decided to avoid direct shoulder work for the time being.

    The flat dumbell press which I've switched to from barbell presses doesn't hurt my shoulder at all, but it does work the Anterior deltoids just like the seated front dumbell press. Same thing with the Incline dumbell bench press, it also works the anterior deltiods. So why not just depend on these exercises to work the shoulders also?. If I was in my 20's and thinking about someday being competitive well then the answer would be much different.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    My last two chest/shoulder sessions I have left out the seated dumbell presses and dumbell side laterals. Maybe I'll work them back in but I'm not sure right now. I think age is also a factor here too. Also do I really need to do isolation exercises to hit the shoulders?. I'm not trying to be a bodybuilder and never plan on it. As long as I can still go to the gym and lift weights as I age I'll be happy. I'm turning 40 this summer and well things just aren't the same as when I was in my 20's or even early 30's.

    The two, well three exercises that bother me are,

    1) Seated Font Dumbell Press - works the Anterior deltoids

    2) Standing Dumbell Side Laterals- works the Medial Deltoids

    3) Machine shoulder press- "googled" what exact muscles are worked but couldn't find anything. Sure it works the shoulders but what part and is it an isolation exercise like the others or compound movement?

    Anyway I tried the machine shoulder press in place of the others thinking maybe I wouldn't get the pain but I did, so after that I decided to avoid direct shoulder work for the time being.

    The flat dumbell press which I've switched to from barbell presses doesn't hurt my shoulder at all, but it does work the Anterior deltoids just like the seated front dumbell press. Same thing with the Incline dumbell bench press, it also works the anterior deltiods. So why not just depend on these exercises to work the shoulders also?. If I was in my 20's and thinking about someday being competitive well then the answer would be much different.
    Don't give up, I've been right where you are, unable to do direct shoulder work, at one point unable to do any bench press movement for six months. Just let it heal up, work on your rotator cuff exercises in the meantime and you'll come back strong. has your physician ruled out a bone spur?
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  4. Found another good use for Jointforce. Got home from the Arnold and started experiencing extreme lower back pain into my right glute and leg. I sit all day at my job and the longer I sat the worse it got. The pain was excruciating. Jointforced it in the morning and at night and wow what a difference. I was diagnosed with piriformis syndrome, which is where the piriformis muscle gets shortened by long periods of sitting and presses on the sciatic nerve. I learned some stretches that slowly but surely are alleviating the symptoms but if it wasn't for Jointforce in the meantime I'd have been unable to sleep or work nothing else came close to touching the pain.
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  5. Have to update and bump this thread. I have recently had a problem with the left side of my upper chest. It hurt to get up in the morning if laying down on my back. I would get a ton of pain in the upper left area of my pec. This has been ongoing for about 3 weeks. This past Friday I went home early from the gym and I'm taking this entire week off. Anyway I have been applying the Joint force to it for a while now but only recently increased the dosage. Now I have been using it three times a day at 6-8 sprays each time. I swear that it is healed now or almost completely. This stuff is awesome at the right dosage!.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Have to update and bump this thread. I have recently had a problem with the left side of my upper chest. It hurt to get up in the morning if laying down on my back. I would get a ton of pain in the upper left area of my pec. This has been ongoing for about 3 weeks. This past Friday I went home early from the gym and I'm taking this entire week off. Anyway I have been applying the Joint force to it for a while now but only recently increased the dosage. Now I have been using it three times a day at 6-8 sprays each time. I swear that it is healed now or almost completely. This stuff is awesome at the right dosage!.
    I know, its like magic. Had an issue with my lower back a bit ago and it was the only thing that helped. As long as it is produced I will be a user, right elbow is sprayed and wrapped right now
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by truthornothin View Post
    I know, its like magic. Had an issue with my lower back a bit ago and it was the only thing that helped. As long as it is produced I will be a user, right elbow is sprayed and wrapped right now

    Yeah I got up today and then went to lay back down several times to "check" if my chest still hurt. I can still feel it but there is now little to none pain. As far as I know there are no joints in the area where the pain was so I didn't know if it would work, but I guess it did!.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Yeah I got up today and then went to lay back down several times to "check" if my chest still hurt. I can still feel it but there is now little to none pain. As far as I know there are no joints in the area where the pain was so I didn't know if it would work, but I guess it did!.
    my lower back issue was muscle / nerve related, I was desperate when I sprayed it on as nothing else worked and like yourself was pleasantly surprised
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  9. Stopped all shoulder isolation exercises for a several months after this thread was posted. No problems at all. Just recently(this past monday) re-introduced one shoulder exercise-machine shoulder presses. Pain is back in my shoulder again. I'm so done with shoulder exercises. For months I was fine and had absolutely no pain. I'd much rather just work shoulders in-directly. To me this seems to be much healthier and at least I don't get any pain anyway. I'm not looking to ever be a professional bodybuilder anyway. So you young guys can continue to work your shoulders directly but this whole experience just proves to me that its of little benefit to work shoulders directly and it's just asking for future pain, shoulder injuries and possible surgery.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Stopped all shoulder isolation exercises for a several months after this thread was posted. No problems at all. Just recently(this past monday) re-introduced one shoulder exercise-machine shoulder presses. Pain is back in my shoulder again. I'm so done with shoulder exercises. For months I was fine and had absolutely no pain. I'd much rather just work shoulders in-directly. To me this seems to be much healthier and at least I don't get any pain anyway. I'm not looking to ever be a professional bodybuilder anyway. So you young guys can continue to work your shoulders directly but this whole experience just proves to me that its of little benefit to work shoulders directly and it's just asking for future pain, shoulder injuries and possible surgery.
    T-bone, have you been to a doctor to have it diagnosed?
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by truthornothin View Post
    T-bone, have you been to a doctor to have it diagnosed?
    A while back. I was told to just stop with the over-head presses because they are a terrible exercise and cause shoulder injuries all the time. Doctor didn't find anything physically wrong though.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    A while back. I was told to just stop with the over-head presses because they are a terrible exercise and cause shoulder injuries all the time. Doctor didn't find anything physically wrong though.
    do you do any rotator cuff exercises?
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by truthornothin View Post
    do you do any rotator cuff exercises?

    Nope, but I'm not sure that would help. Like I said this problem went away before when I stopped with the direct shoulder work. So to fix it again I'll do the same thing. There is really no need to isolate shoulders anyway.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Nope, but I'm not sure that would help. Like I said this problem went away before when I stopped with the direct shoulder work. So to fix it again I'll do the same thing. There is really no need to isolate shoulders anyway.
    Its true they get a lot of indirect work but I do seem to get better gains when I work them directly, for me its dumbells only though
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  15. Bench pressing is far worse for shoulders and aggravating shoulder problems than any shoulder work, besides behind the neck press. I stopped benching, and my shoulder problems went away...of course in conjunction with rotator cuff/scapular stabilizer work. Benching is the least functional movement imo...hell even curls are more functional lol. Took me a while to get over not benching though.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by BigKrabbe
    Bench pressing is far worse for shoulders and aggravating shoulder problems than any shoulder work, besides behind the neck press. I stopped benching, and my shoulder problems went away...of course in conjunction with rotator cuff/scapular stabilizer work. Benching is the least functional movement imo...hell even curls are more functional lol. Took me a while to get over not benching though.
    For the bench press (bb or db) I noticed my shoulder would be ok as long as I only went down to slightly above parallel. Were you going all the way to your chest?

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    u should give up flat bench for good. inclines are fine and declines. flat bench puts your shoulders in an unstable position.

    dumbell flat presses are ok because your body will naturally shift into the correct range of motion. your body cant do that with a barbell
    Quote Originally Posted by BigKrabbe View Post
    Bench pressing is far worse for shoulders and aggravating shoulder problems than any shoulder work, besides behind the neck press. I stopped benching, and my shoulder problems went away...of course in conjunction with rotator cuff/scapular stabilizer work. Benching is the least functional movement imo...hell even curls are more functional lol. Took me a while to get over not benching though.

    True. Dumbbell flat bench is fine though.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    True. Dumbbell flat bench is fine though.
    I've been doing exclusively dumbell work on everything but squats and shrugs, My shoulders used to kill me. Now knock on wood, my chest is better than ever and shoulders are pain free, no Jointforce required which is good it leaves more for my elbows.
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by truthornothin View Post
    I've been doing exclusively dumbell work on everything but squats and shrugs, My shoulders used to kill me. Now knock on wood, my chest is better than ever and shoulders are pain free, no Jointforce required which is good it leaves more for my elbows.
    Same here except I don't do any shoulder work. Well, I tried doing it and it brought the pain back so I stopped but now I'm sick again. I'm just getting used to getting sick every 6 weeks or so.

  20. T-bone, just to echo much of what's been already said in this thread. I was plagued by shoulder issues for quite awhile until I started doing shoulder rehab work. If you google "shoulder rehab" you'll find a ton of information out there on it... both exercises and stretches. I would recommend dedicating an entire workout to this type of work at least once a week, and maybe finishing up every workout with a small amount of it, to help strengthen, balance, and stabilize the entire shoulder carriage, i.e. scapula, rotator cuff muscles, and the work that the pecs, lats and delts do to stabilize and retract/protract the shoulder complex.

    I almost gave up flat barbell bench due to shoulder problems, but after doing extensive rehab work (and I still do prehab periodically) I was able to keep the exercise. Of course, now that I read this thread, I think I may start to focus on incline more as I'm getting older and it's probably time I smarten up even more, but you get the idea. Once you have stability, JointForce can be your best friend in dealing with any inflammation that arises from aggravation.

  21. I know this thread is old but you should do rotators cuff exercise. they don't get stronger doing military press or anything else.

  22. The same shoulder pain is back and its pretty bad this time. Still don't do direct shouler work, but I did start training at a new gym, and of course the equipment is a bit different. The benches I use for flat dumbbell bench feel like they are closer to floor. Well the adjustable one is, and I use that sometimes. The one that isn't adjustable is higher up though. Both of them though it seems are much more narrow. It's been about three days since I've had this pain again. Yesterday I could barely lift my left hand without pain. I woke up this morning and felt better though. Pain is almost gone. I was gonna take a week off this week though to rest the area. Last week I just pushed through the pain the entire week.

  23. As much as you probably hear this already ICE and rest it brother! Sleeper stretch, wall slides, foam roll, theracane, treat yourself to a few massages. Sounds like you could have a deeper issue though. If you have a good insurance I'd suggest an MRI maybe? Shoulder pain is so damn annoying, every now and then I will get over zealous and try something I know I shouldn't (flat benching, heavy inclining, every once in a great moon a fly) and pay for it for a few weeks. I have noticed that narrower benches tend to aggravate my shoulders more for whatever reason. Do you use hammer strength at all?

  24. I don't have any joint force this time around though. Cissus though I'm double dosing. I'll have to look up those stretches but I'd rather just leave it be. Not sure what "Hammer Strength" is. I googled it and first result was life fitness gym equipment. Also got some type of strength and conditioning clinics called "Hammer Strength" for high school kids and college kids to I guess develop themselves properly for sports.

  25. Been also having trouble walking today. Don't have a doctor since I moved, considering going to walk in clinic. Hope I don't waste my time.

  26. Quote Originally Posted by jomtos View Post
    I know this thread is old but you should do rotators cuff exercise. .
    Agreed-some simple PT is definitely worth a try

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  27. Wasted my time at the walk in clinic. No answers and they refered me to the emergency room. This is why I try to avoid going to the doctor, they can never give me an answer and nothing is ever really resolved.

  28. Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Wasted my time at the walk in clinic. No answers and they refered me to the emergency room. This is why I try to avoid going to the doctor, they can never give me an answer and nothing is ever really resolved.
    Ive usually dont have luck with walk in clinics

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  29. Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post
    Ive usually dont have luck with walk in clinics

    Cheaper than the ER though. I figured I should go though since I'm having trouble walking. Don't know about going to the ER though. Wouldn't want to waste more time and more money only to not know what is going or figure out its just psychological or something.

  30. So I went to the ER, got bloodwork and an MRI. Five hours of my life wasted and they couldn't find anything wrong. Still can't walk right and legs feeling heavy/numb. I should refuse to pay the bill. What a waste.
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