Pre-Log Test EQ And More

[smshannon001]

A pre contest cycle that does not include tren.

Now this is not at all set in stone. I have not used EQ or masteron before, but the reports of vascularity and hardness sound great...

Weeks 1-10 test E 500mg/ week
Weeks 1-12 EQ 500mg/ week
Weeks 3-12 masteron e 400mg/week
Weeks 11-12 test P 100mg EOD
Weeks 7-12 Anavar 75-100mg or winny 75mg
Weeks 1-14 aromasin 12.5 ED
Weeks 12-14 HCG 500iu ED
Weeks 1- 11 ipamorelin 2x 200mcg and ghrp-2 2x 200mcg both with 100mcg mod grf

Pct:
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Clomid 100/50/50/25
Aromasin 6.25 Ed/ 6.25 Ed/ 6.25 EOD

The goal is to compete at the end of week 12 and start HCG for 2 weeks before pct while cycle clears.
My concern is with the difference in clearance time of test P and EQ and mast e.

Peptides would be dropped 10 days pre contest to get rid of any extra water retention.
May increase AI the last 2 weeks pre contest if necessary.

 

[smshannon001]

No ideas?

 

[Lukef2000]

A pre contest cycle that does not include tren. Now this is not at all set in stone. I have not used EQ or masteron before, but the reports of vascularity and hardness sound great... Weeks 1-10 test E 500mg/ week Weeks 1-12 EQ 500mg/ week Weeks 3-12 masteron e 400mg/week Weeks 11-12 test P 100mg EOD Weeks 7-12 Anavar 75-100mg or winny 75mg Weeks 1-14 aromasin 12.5 ED Weeks 12-14 HCG 500iu ED Weeks 1- 11 ipamorelin 2x 200mcg and ghrp-2 2x 200mcg both with 100mcg mod grf Pct: Nolva 40/40/20/20 Clomid 100/50/50/25 Aromasin 6.25 Ed/ 6.25 Ed/ 6.25 EOD The goal is to compete at the end of week 12 and start HCG for 2 weeks before pct while cycle clears. My concern is with the difference in clearance time of test P and EQ and mast e. Peptides would be dropped 10 days pre contest to get rid of any extra water retention. May increase AI the last 2 weeks pre contest if necessary.

I'd be dropping the test right down over the last two weeks to eliminate any possible bloat, I'd also switch over to letro for peak week. Have you ever run tren? I'd definitely throw that in there for the last 4 weeks minimum.

 

[superbeast668]

I wouldn't suggest Eq or any long esters in prep. I wouldn't suggest it for only 12 weeks either.

 

[smshannon001]

I'd be dropping the test right down over the last two weeks to eliminate any possible bloat, I'd also switch over to letro for peak week. Have you ever run tren? I'd definitely throw that in there for the last 4 weeks minimum.

My first sentence said I want to stay away from tren. Mostly because of its cardio killing effects.

I got letro and was thinking the very same thing for peak week.

 

[smshannon001]

I wouldn't suggest Eq or any long esters in prep. I wouldn't suggest it for only 12 weeks either.

I understand that longer esters usually equal more water retention. Personally I don't want to jab EOD for an extended period of time.

How about 14 weeks... Changing esters towards the end.

Weeks 1-10 test e 500 weekly
Weeks 10-14 test P 100 EOD
Weeks 1-14 eq 400 weekly**
Weeks 6-10 mast E 400 weekly
Weeks 10-14 mast p 75 EOD
Weeks 9-14 winny or var

** My reasoning for the EQ is the increased ability to do cardio and the hardness and vascularity most people report on it.

I'm not trying to be stubborn about the short and long esters. Just don't like the idea of pinning EOD for an entire 14 weeks!

 

[superbeast668]

I understand that longer esters usually equal more water retention. Personally I don't want to jab EOD for an extended period of time. How about 14 weeks... Changing esters towards the end. Weeks 1-10 test e 500 weekly Weeks 10-14 test P 100 EOD Weeks 1-14 eq 400 weekly** Weeks 6-10 mast E 400 weekly Weeks 10-14 mast p 75 EOD Weeks 9-14 winny or var ** My reasoning for the EQ is the increased ability to do cardio and the hardness and vascularity most people report on it. I'm not trying to be stubborn about the short and long esters. Just don't like the idea of pinning EOD for an entire 14 weeks!

I fully understand not wanting frequent pins. 4 weeks out switch esters. IMO drop EQ mast will make you more hard. Take Viagra it'll get you veiny.

 

[smshannon001]

I fully understand not wanting frequent pins. 4 weeks out switch esters. IMO drop EQ mast will make you more hard. Take Viagra it'll get you veiny.

Should I run the mast the entire 14 weeks then? Or just the last 8?

 

[emantest]

Should I run the mast the entire 14 weeks then? Or just the last 8?

Is the show at the end of the 14 week plan, if so look at running
200 test E every week as a base stop Sunday before the show
100-150 test P eod stop 3 days before show
No eq
Mast 400/wk last 8
Winny 50, last 3 week up to 100
Grow into show

 

[smshannon001]

Is the show at the end of the 14 week plan, if so look at running 200 test E every week as a base stop Sunday before the show 100-150 test P eod stop 3 days before show No eq Mast 400/wk last 8 Winny 50, last 3 week up to 100 Grow into show

Yeah the show would be at the end of week 14.
What about changing to mast p the last 3-4 weeks.

I appreciate your input.

 

[emantest]

Yeah the show would be at the end of week 14. What about changing to mast p the last 3-4 weeks. I appreciate your input.

Good choice. Are you doing another thread for your prep into show?

 

[smshannon001]

Good choice. Are you doing another thread for your prep into show?

Probably.

I wanted more time off after my last cycle as I just finished pct.
I will be getting blood work done in a few weeks to see how recovered I am before I decide a start date. I wanted to do a show in late frbruary but then my cycles would only be 6 weeks apart. But bloods are the only way to tell if I'll be ready or not.
Maybe I'll see if there's shows in late march to get another few weeks of time off.

I just have a bunch of EQ that I want to use! Maybe save it for an off season cycle?

 

[emantest]

Probably. I wanted more time off after my last cycle as I just finished pct. I will be getting blood work done in a few weeks to see how recovered I am before I decide a start date. I wanted to do a show in late frbruary but then my cycles would only be 6 weeks apart. But bloods are the only way to tell if I'll be ready or not. Maybe I'll see if there's shows in late march to get another few weeks of time off. I just have a bunch of EQ that I want to use! Maybe save it for an off season cycle?

Better to see where you're at as far as bloods. Where are you in Cali? I know there are shows every other month in San Diego. Plan an off season with test, EQ, and adrol. My bro is currently offseason got him on 750 test cyp, 900 EQ, and 50 adrol time to get swole until spring. Then he will do his first IFBB show around April.

 

[smshannon001]

Better to see where you're at as far as bloods. Where are you in Cali? I know there are shows every other month in San Diego. Plan an off season with test, EQ, and adrol. My bro is currently offseason got him on 750 test cyp, 900 EQ, and 50 adrol time to get swole until spring. Then he will do his first IFBB show around April.

Ya it would be a SD or Culver city show. Those are the most common and closest.

Your bros cycle is strong! I'm not sure id want to dose EQ that high (unless I was familiar with it).

Is he going to switch drugs and go from off season to pre contest? Or come off all drugs during pre contest? He won't have much "off time" if he's tryin to fit 2 cycles in by April.

 

[emantest]

Ya it would be a SD or Culver city show. Those are the most common and closest. Your bros cycle is strong! I'm not sure id want to dose EQ that high (unless I was familiar with it). Is he going to switch drugs and go from off season to pre contest? Or come off all drugs during pre contest? He won't have much "off time" if he's tryin to fit 2 cycles in by April.

He will go into pre contest cycle and he pretty much blasts all year.

 

[smshannon001]

Ok ok so he does a homemade TRT blast and cruise?

I wanted to do something like that but still wanna have kids in the next few years so trying not to go overboard.

 

[emantest]

Ok ok so he does a homemade TRT blast and cruise? I wanted to do something like that but still wanna have kids in the next few years so trying not to go overboard.

His kids are almost grown, he is 42 and been on trt for several years, so no concern for needing loaded baby batter. After he met a buddy of mine who blasts year round on 500 test or it could be his maintenance, and walks around at 260 and 8% he has been going full bore about 2 years.

 

[smshannon001]

Dang that's a big dude. I'm at 225 and about 14% right now. I can't seem to get over 225 without some sauce haha. I know I probably don't eat enough though...

Hoping to come in at light heavyweight which is 198lbs (I think)

 

[emantest]

Dang that's a big dude. I'm at 225 and about 14% right now. I can't seem to get over 225 without some sauce haha. I know I probably don't eat enough though... Hoping to come in at light heavyweight which is 198lbs (I think)

Get Pete Cicone to dial you in for your show or shows, 619 muscle.

 

[emantest]

Dang that's a big dude. I'm at 225 and about 14% right now. I can't seem to get over 225 without some sauce haha. I know I probably don't eat enough though... Hoping to come in at light heavyweight which is 198lbs (I think)

I posted a few pics of my buddy in Old School hormone use under Daves grow into show epic lob on pg 179.

 

[smshannon001]

Get Pete Cicone to dial you in for your show or shows, 619 muscle.

I'm about an hr-hr 30min drive from world gym. But I'll consider seeing him after week 4 and week 8 of prep. I Dono if he accepts clients that way or if he charges for a whole 12 week prep.

 

[emantest]

I'm about an hr-hr 30min drive from world gym. But I'll consider seeing him after week 4 and week 8 of prep. I Dono if he accepts clients that way or if he charges for a whole 12 week prep.

Go big baby, do the12 and stick with him if he helps get you nationally qualified.

 

[smshannon001]

Go big baby, do the12 and stick with him if he helps get you nationally qualified.

I'll send him a message on fb to enquire about his packages.
I looked at the 619 muscle page and it looked out of date.

 

[smshannon001]

New idea:
Week 1-10 test e 500mg (front load 1 week at 1000mg)
Week 5-8 mast e 400mg ew
Week 5-8 tren e 400mg ew
Week 9-14 tren ace 100eod and mast p 100eod
Weeks 11-14 test p 100mg EOD

Orals
Week 1-4 DMZ 30mg???
Week 9-14 75mg Winstrol

Peptides:
Weeks 1-3 and 7-9 igf lr3 50mcg
Week 3-13 cjc no dac, ghrp 2/ipamorelin

The basic idea is to run long esters first so I'm not pinning all the time but switching to short esters the last few weeks to reduce bloat.

Dropping peptides 10 days out.
Last mast/tren/test pin Thursday before show
Increase Winstrol to 100mg during peak week last dose morning of show