1st Cycle (Bold 200) - Need Help

[compcentral]

Here is the revised plan:

Pre-Cycle (10 Days) – CEL Cycle Assist (80 caps)
-- 1/14/10 to 1/24/10
8AM: 4 caps Cycle Assist
8PM: 4 caps Cycle Assist

Cycle Week 1 – CEL EQ-Plex 600mg/day, CEL Cycle Assist
-- 1/25/10 to 1/31/10
8AM: 1 cap EQ-Plex, 4 caps Cycle Assist
4PM: 1 cap EQ-Plex
8PM: 4 caps Cycle Assist
Midnight: 1 cap EQ-Plex

Cycle Week 2 – CEL EQ-Plex 600mg/day, CEL Cycle Assist
-- 2/1/10 to 2/7/10
8AM: 1 cap EQ-Plex, 4 caps Cycle Assist
4PM: 1 cap EQ-Plex
8PM: 4 caps Cycle Assist
Midnight: 1 cap EQ-Plex

Cycle Week 3 – CEL EQ-Plex 600mg/day, CEL Cycle Assist
-- 2/8/10 to 2/14/10
8AM: 1 cap EQ-Plex, 4 caps Cycle Assist
4PM: 1 cap EQ-Plex
8PM: 4 caps Cycle Assist
Midnight: 1 cap EQ-Plex

Cycle Week 4 – CEL EQ-Plex 800mg/day, CEL Cycle Assist, Havoc 20mg/day
-- 2/15/10 to 2/21/10
6AM: 1 cap EQ-Plex, 4 caps Cycle Assist, 1 cap Havoc
Noon: 1 cap EQ-Plex
6PM: 1 cap EQ-Plex , 4 caps Cycle Assist, 1 cap Havoc
Midnight: 1 cap EQ-Plex

Cycle Week 5 – CEL EQ-Plex 800mg/day, CEL Cycle Assist, Havoc 20mg/day
-- 2/22/10 to 2/28/10
6AM: 1 cap EQ-Plex, 4 caps Cycle Assist, 1 cap Havoc
Noon: 1 cap EQ-Plex
6PM: 1 cap EQ-Plex , 4 caps Cycle Assist, 1 cap Havoc
Midnight: 1 cap EQ-Plex

Cycle Week 6 – CEL EQ-Plex 800mg/day, CEL Cycle Assist, Havoc 30mg/day
-- 3/1/10 to 3/7/10
6AM: 1 cap EQ-Plex, 4 caps Cycle Assist
8AM: 1 cap Havoc
Noon: 1 cap EQ-Plex
4PM: 1 cap Havoc
6PM: 1 cap EQ-Plex , 4 caps Cycle Assist
Midnight: 1 cap EQ-Plex, 1 cap Havoc

Cycle Week 7 – CEL EQ-Plex 800mg/day, CEL Cycle Assist, Havoc 30mg/day
-- 3/8/10 to 3/14/10
6AM: 1 cap EQ-Plex, 4 caps Cycle Assist
8AM: 1 cap Havoc
Noon: 1 cap EQ-Plex
4PM: 1 cap Havoc
6PM: 1 cap EQ-Plex , 4 caps Cycle Assist
Midnight: 1 cap EQ-Plex, 1 cap Havoc

PCT Cycle Week 1 – Nolvadex 40mg/day, Creatine 2400mg/day
PCT Cycle Week 2 – Nolvadex 20mg/day, Creatine 2400mg/day
PCT Cycle Week 3 – Nolvadex 20mg/day, Creatine 2400mg/day
PCT Cycle Week 4 – Nolvadex 10mg/day, Creatine 2400mg/day
PCT Cycle Week 5 – Natty Test Booster?, Creatine 2400mg/day
PCT Cycle Week 6 – Natty Test Booster?, Creatine 2400mg/day


Diet & Training:

Eat: ~180g Protien Daily
-- 7-8AM – 46g Whey Protien
-- 11-Noon – Lunch (~20g Protien)
-- 5-6PM – Dinnner (~20g Protien), MultiVitamin, Flaxseed oil
-- 8PM – 46g Whey Protien
-- Midnight – 46g Whey Protien

Lift: 9PM-12AM
-- Monday – Arms/Chest/Back/Shoulders
-- Wednesday – Cardio/Abs
-- Friday – Arms/Chest/Back/Shoulders

Run:
-- 3 miles 2-3 times per week

 

[compcentral]

I know that I'll be getting less sleep than I should be getting... but I work too much to change that (hence the late workout time too btw).

Should the 1st week of BOLD be at 400mg instead of 600? I had it that way, but upped it to 600 to help use up all the capsules. Would it be better/safer to lower that to 400 and up the last week to 1000mg/day?

I need advice on PCT options.. SERM or no? If not SERM, then what do you suggest for OTC options. Are coritsol-related supplements needed?

 

[gamer2be08]

Start at 600mg....
7 weeks, use a SERM is my advice...
Should be a pretty good cycle if you keep the cals above maintenance...

 

[compcentral]

I was thinking SERM as well... probably nolvadex. How do you suggest that I dose it.. and 4 or 6 weeks?

Should I take it with a PCT Assist product of some sort with the SERM? If yes, what do you reccommend?

How about Driven Sports – Activate Xtreme or CEL – PCT Assist?

 

[compcentral]

I also have 2 bottles (180 10mg caps) of PrimaForce - Havoc, and a bottle (60 50mg caps) of Nature’s Research - Infinity TREN 100. Would either of these be good to stack with my current cycle plans... especially since this is my first cycle?

Or should I save those to stack together for the next cycle?

 

[gamer2be08]

You could add the epi, that would be a good stack.
Bold:600/600/600/800/800/800/800
Epi: ................/20/..30/..30/30/40

Cel pct assist would be a good addition to the serm.

Get some glucosamine as well..

 

[compcentral]

ok... i think i might run the bold/havoc stack then. I might go a little milder on the epi though since this is my first cycle. I was thinking:

Bold:600/600/600/800/800/800/800
Epi: ................/20/..20/..30/30/30

Just bought nolva today and got some more essentials... multivitamins, flaxseed oil, etc. I already have enough glucosamine to last the cycle i think.

So what dose of nolva do you think would be best for this stack? Other than CEL PCT assist, anything else I need in my PCT? Since the epi is methyl, do I need anything else for liver support?

 

[gamer2be08]

Nolva: 40/20/20/10

 

[Tansui]

You going to kick start with epi or finish up with epi?

Also did i read right that your 6'5" 180?

 

[compcentral]

You going to kick start with epi or finish up with epi?

Also did i read right that your 6'5" 180?

I was going to end with epi so i don't get shut down through the whole cycle... and yes I'm 6'5"... about 180 lbs.

thanx gamer for the nolva dosing. that's what I'll go with then.

 

[kingjameskjf]

You don't need a SERM with just Bold/eq-plex. SERM have their own sides associated with them so I'd save it for cycles when it really mattered. This of course is JMO.

There are a few different options out there. My favortie OTC PCT is 6-OXO and BioForge (or other good natty test booster like Testabolan or Activate Xtreme). You can add in DS Lean Xtreme or CEL Suppress C for cortisol control if you want. You could also do a Reversitol/Bioforge combo. Or even Formestane.

 

[compcentral]

I still want to use a SERM to be on the safe side. If I use nolva, do I need anything else?

By the way, I completed the pre-cycle and I'm just finishing up week one of bold @ 600mg/day. I was actually about 174-175 lbs all the way through the pre-cycle and I'm up to about 180 lbs after one week. No huge strength gains yet, but I know it takes a few weeks for bold to really kick in. No adverse side effects either. I'm happy with the results so far.

 

[Tansui]

I still want to use a SERM to be on the safe side. If I use nolva, do I need anything else?

By the way, I completed the pre-cycle and I'm just finishing up week one of bold @ 600mg/day. I was actually about 174-175 lbs all the way through the pre-cycle and I'm up to about 180 lbs after one week. No huge strength gains yet, but I know it takes a few weeks for bold to really kick in. No adverse side effects either. I'm happy with the results so far.

A test booster, and cortisol control won't hurt. let us know when you start to feel it.

 

[NoodleSPD]

Good luck on your stack... like to see another tall dude put some lbs on his frame. I start my Mass tabs soon!

 

[Jimmytest]

You might want to consider changing your workout. Your muscles need time to recover, and your not even going to work your legs ? Wow ! You should look at a two day split program and go with that, if that's all you have time for.

 

[gamer2be08]

You gotta hit legs if you want to add all around body mass dude. And I still say at 6-8 weeks on BOLD or any mild PH a SERM is highly recommended due to length and dosage...

 

[compcentral]

I wasn't going to worry about working my legs during this cycle other than running. I forgot to mention that I'll be running 3 miles pre-workout at least Mondays & Fridays once the weather improves. On bad weather days I just sprint a mile on the treadmill. I know this is more cardio than legs, but I really just want to focus on upper body during this cycle. Is that really that bad?

 

[compcentral]

By the way... I was up to 183/184 last week and noticing a little more strength, but I've been sick for the past 4-5 days and haven't been able to eat or workout nearly as much as usual so I'm back down to about 180 again.

 

[gamer2be08]

I wasn't going to worry about working my legs during this cycle other than running. I forgot to mention that I'll be running 3 miles pre-workout at least Mondays & Fridays once the weather improves. On bad weather days I just sprint a mile on the treadmill. I know this is more cardio than legs, but I really just want to focus on upper body during this cycle. Is that really that bad?

Yes that is really bad... If you want a big upper body, you gotta work those legs and you gotta squat.. It has been proven... And nothing looks more weird than 180lbs of muscle on a pair of 20lb twigs...