Havoc or Epistane?

Well from an observers point of view, Havoc. I have no personal knowledge - no use. However, a couple of buddies have used both and the big comments always come from the Havoc users.

Again, I don't par-take so take it for what it is worth.
 
i had friends who use epi and they both said it was great. But you should read the logs and reviews we have on this site of both these products for a better understanding.
 
thanks for the info!!!

it's so hard to distinguish a difference between the 2.

i think it's b/c most users used one or the other. it's hard to find people that have used both during separate cycles.
 
from what i read they are basically both the same in a way. thats why they just choose one or the other. no matter what your still going to get great results with it.
 
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