My M-1-test/trans 4AD cycle

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    Michael,


    I noticed you mentioned knee pain. I too suffered similar pain during my one and only (so far) 1-test 4/AD cycle. You mentioned in one of your posts you jacked up your Potassium. In the same post you said the pain got better. Do you think there was a corelation between the two? I'd appreciate anyone else's insights into this as well, as I'm wary of starting another cycle, only to have to cut it short again due to the pain.

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    Michael
    Are you taking biotin with your R-ALA?
    If not, you may have a biotin deficiency which can cause some joint pain.
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    Update

    Day 14:

    ..previous questions: The knee pain seems to come and go regardless of upping my potas which Im at about 800 mg. No pain during Quad workout yesterday,even tried some extentions which I normally don't do much of and felt 0 pain, but today pain is back when I walk? Very weird.

    I am taking plenty of biotin with my r-ala. Only thing I could of improved on would be to drink more water.


    Well I've decided to stop my cycle at 14 days. Reasons would be that Im happy with gains and I'd like to minimize shutdown so I can go again in 2 weeks. I'd say overall the sides were about equal or maybe a little more than 1-test(trans homebrew at 300mg ed). Sides were lethargy, minor body ache, minor cramping, knee joint pain and maybe a little anxiety and or depression. Libido remained good as did hair and no acne. No aggression. Changes I would make on next M-1-test cycle would be more water, high dose electrolytes from day 1, stimulant usage at first sign of lethargy(I feel this hampered training frequency and meal frequency), and lower dose, ie 10mg. Plan for next two weeks is liquid nolva, keep cals high, more flax, continued OVT training(combo strength/hypertrophy). Next two week cycle will be continued bulk lowering dosage to 10mg and kepping homebrew trans 4AD the same(approx 400mg)


    Final stats:

    2 week bulk, 20mg M-1T(I did use 30mg for a couple days) 400mg 4AD
    Total weight gain: 12 lbs
    Bodyfat increase: 1-1 1/2%
    Waist increase: 3/4'

    Misc: I did not take in the amount of cals I had projected nor was my training frequency as projected. My guess would be that If I had I would of gained closer to 15 lbs. Also forgot to mention appetite was not great during whole cycle. Well thanks for tuning in and for all your encouragement and feedback. I'll keep the updates coming occasionally during my off cycle and continue full force in two weeks. Thanks again. Peace and God bless. Michael.
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    Notice the part where Michael decides to "lower the dose to 10 mg"...

    12 pounds in 2 weeks! All said and done can you rate the quality of mass gain according to your mini-cycle goals?

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    Originally posted by Chemo
    Notice the part where Michael decides to "lower the dose to 10 mg"...

    12 pounds in 2 weeks! All said and done can you rate the quality of mass gain according to your mini-cycle goals?

    Chemo
    ya it seems like 10mgs is plenty for most people from the feedback we are getting.

    However, over at BB.com a member with a lot of ph/steriod experience said that 5-10mgs is not enough. I asked him to elaborate and awaiting a reply.

    Michael, thanks again for everything. Your feedback was great.
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    Update:

    Day 5 (post first two week cycle)

    Weight down 2 pounds, a little lax in keeping cals up. First thing I noticed was muscle soreness gone and lethargy stopped right away. My working muscles while on were becoming more and more sore post workout and the last couple of days on my forearms were real tight. No cramping, just a tightness I'd never experienced before. It didn't bother me. It's almost as if I was feeling the muscle grow beneath my skin. All sides I had while on are gone. Currently on liquid nolva and getting some acne. Still on all liver sups and will continue. I feel I will be better prepared for my next two week cycle after experiencing the effects first hand. My body composition while not changed much does look different. I just don't have that extreme muscular look that I had the last week I was on. It's hard to explain, it's not just that I was more pumped up or vascular or whatever it's just a "look". I noticed this because I shot a video for my wifes conference where I was spoofing an infomercial and I had that look. I was like, "damn...I look good". Having never done a true steroid Im guessing this is what it can do. That's all for now, I'll update as needed. Peace.
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    post cycle update


    Post cycle udpate

    Day 8 post cycle: Gained back a pound, which puts me up 11 total from 12 original. Had a personel best flat benching today, felt very strong on this exercise only. Been better at keeping calories up..alot easier now with appetite back. Also trying to limit any stimulants during this time so I can use them regularly once cycle starts again and not deplete thee ole adrenals too bad. Only side on Nolva so far has been acne. I do have a question for the board about what dosage do you think I should use during two week mini off cycles? I've been at 40mg for 7 days and went down to 30mg tonight. Thanks.
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    Bro for the Nolva I would use 40mg for the first week then 20mg for the next week. Kudo's for keeping us updated throughout your post cycle, you don't see to many people do it. Keep us posted bro, later J
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    update


    Hey gang..sorry for the delays in updates but my post cycle has gone to pot. It started last week with a bout of severe depression(Nolva?), which Im prone to, but this was worse than usual. Then I got a stomach virus and my training and diet stopped. Just resumed training and eating more last couple of days and my weight and especially my strength is down. Im currently 17 days post cycle and I've lost 4lbs of the original 12 I gained, which ain't to bad considering. My body deconditions very fast so Im going to take another week or two to regain some strength, conditioning and clean calories to try to get back to a good baseline before starting my next two week cycle. I also might do 20mg again as opposed to 10mg just because of the down time and weight I've lost. Only change I would make is try splitting dose to see if it helps with lethargy, which was most troubling side effect for me. My knee pain which I had while on is completley gone. Stopped nolva after one week when I got sick so Im sure the short use coupled with longer off time I won't have recovery issues. Boys seem big again. Well it's back to the iron and the dining table. Will keep you posted. Peace.
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    Re: update


    Originally posted by michael
    Hey gang..sorry for the delays in updates but my post cycle has gone to pot. It started last week with a bout of severe depression(Nolva?), which Im prone to, but this was worse than usual. Then I got a stomach virus and my training and diet stopped. Just resumed training and eating more last couple of days and my weight and especially my strength is down. Im currently 17 days post cycle and I've lost 4lbs of the original 12 I gained, which ain't to bad considering. My body deconditions very fast so Im going to take another week or two to regain some strength, conditioning and clean calories to try to get back to a good baseline before starting my next two week cycle. I also might do 20mg again as opposed to 10mg just because of the down time and weight I've lost. Only change I would make is try splitting dose to see if it helps with lethargy, which was most troubling side effect for me. My knee pain which I had while on is completley gone. Stopped nolva after one week when I got sick so Im sure the short use coupled with longer off time I won't have recovery issues. Boys seem big again. Well it's back to the iron and the dining table. Will keep you posted. Peace.
    I wouldn't be surprised if the 4 pounds you lost were water weight pounds from the 4ad. Thanks for the follow up.
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    On depression.......... It's common for guys to get more moody, depressed or even bitchy taking anti-e's. The reason many women get this way during their monthly periods is for the same reason, low estrogen.

    On the weight/strength loss......... that's common to at least some degree. But in your case, with only doing a 2 week cycle, I suspect your loss is more attributable to your stomach virus. Once you get your eating and fluids back up, you should be fine. If you haven't exceeded your own endocrine system's ability to maintain that 12 pounds, you should get it all back again.

    On your appearance........ Well androgens are going to give you a harder more muscular look while on. But again, your stomach virus and diet change is probably more to blame at this point. Most guys won't lose much over the course of 1-2 weeks post cycle if they continue training and eating, it usually takes longer than that. Blame your flu.

    On the acne........ Many guys experience this at least somewhat while on. More seem to get it for awhile when they get off. I asked Patrick Arnold of Ergopharm about this. He didn't have a "clear cut" answer, but speculated that it takes some time for the bodys sebaceous glands to respond to the additional androgens (in producing more oil) and once androgens are discontinued, it also takes awhile for them to respond to the lower level as well......... kind of like a delayed reaction.

    QUESTIONS: 1. Are you going to change your training post cycle, or continue what you've been doing?

    2. I seem to hear a lot of concerns about methyl 1-test with respect to impact on the liver. If a lifter is going to do repeated back to back mini cycles, why the methyl 1-test? I'm not questioning it's efficacy, but why not just run a standard transdermal 1-test 4-ad cycle? It may not be quite as effective in the SHORT run, but it should be a lot easier on the liver over the course of many months/years, no?
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    Originally posted by PC1
    On depression.......... It's common for guys to get more moody, depressed or even bitchy taking anti-e's. The reason many women get this way during their monthly periods is for the same reason, low estrogen.

    On the weight/strength loss......... that's common to at least some degree. But in your case, with only doing a 2 week cycle, I suspect your loss is more attributable to your stomach virus. Once you get your eating and fluids back up, you should be fine. If you haven't exceeded your own endocrine system's ability to maintain that 12 pounds, you should get it all back again.

    On your appearance........ Well androgens are going to give you a harder more muscular look while on. But again, your stomach virus and diet change is probably more to blame at this point. Most guys won't lose much over the course of 1-2 weeks post cycle if they continue training and eating, it usually takes longer than that. Blame your flu.

    On the acne........ Many guys experience this at least somewhat while on. More seem to get it for awhile when they get off. I asked Patrick Arnold of Ergopharm about this. He didn't have a "clear cut" answer, but speculated that it takes some time for the bodys sebaceous glands to respond to the additional androgens (in producing more oil) and once androgens are discontinued, it also takes awhile for them to respond to the lower level as well......... kind of like a delayed reaction.

    QUESTIONS: 1. Are you going to change your training post cycle, or continue what you've been doing?

    2. I seem to hear a lot of concerns about methyl 1-test with respect to impact on the liver. If a lifter is going to do repeated back to back mini cycles, why the methyl 1-test? I'm not questioning it's efficacy, but why not just run a standard transdermal 1-test 4-ad cycle? It may not be quite as effective in the SHORT run, but it should be a lot easier on the liver over the course of many months/years, no?

    Post cycle Im doing more of a modified 5x5 strength program, but due to a week off lifting Im adding some high reps the first few workouts to get the muscles, tendons, joints, etc.. use to moving again. This is something I usually do after a layoff.

    Good point and question about running M1T back to back for livers sake and I thank you for bringing it up as I might reconsider and do a homebrew tran 1test/4-AD. I had originally thought this would be the best and safest way to run prohormone/prosteroids but I guess I just got a bit giddy and greedy about the great gains I made. I have been running liver sups but it's probably best to er on the side of caution with a relativley new substance. Cheers.
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