My M-1-test/trans 4AD cycle

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  1. Update

    Day: 8

    ...continue...forgot one thing. My left knee joint was more tweaky yesterday and today where I could feel it when I walked especially decending stairs but did not bother me at all on leg day today...squated no problem and did heavy dumbell lunges which forces me to really stabilize knees. Im guessing I don't have a structural problem (never had knee trouble) and it's just the M-1-test. Might up my taurine from 2 to 5 grams.


  2. Update

    Day 9:

    Weighed in, up another 1 1/2 lbs...9 lbs total. Gotta be holding a good deal of water as I look very smooth. Abs pretty much gone. Fat calipers show maybe 1/2% bf gain. My usual late night vascularity is gone as well. Im surprised weight is up again since cals were a bit lower last couple of days. I have been using R-ALA before all carb meals. This is the first time I've tried using it during a bulk. No sides today so far. Wondering if taking M-1-test with large first meal as opposed to just a tsp flax on empty stomach might be making the difference. I'll be monitoring this closley. Upped Taurine by a couple of grams last night and joints feel better today. It's an off training day, but Im feeling I could train and might still. Appetite not great last couple of days..hard to choke down clean carbs.
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  3. Bro, from teh sound of it, your gains are pretty mucht eh exact same as mine - I was up 9 pounds in 9 days too - I even lowered my cal count. I would recommend only doint a two weeks cycle as you may not lose your natural test. That;s what I did - i am going back on on Thursday of this week.
    -AT

  4. 2 on 2 off? then 2 on 4 off? What are the longer term cycle plans? I assume when you stop you are stopping the 4AD as well?

  5. Originally posted by bigbadboss101
    2 on 2 off? then 2 on 4 off? What are the longer term cycle plans? I assume when you stop you are stopping the 4AD as well?
    No. Here's what Iam going to do... 2 ON, 1 off with 800 mg 6-OXO daily, 2 ON, OFF (clomid and 6-OXO).
    -AT
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  6. Originally posted by bigbadboss101
    2 on 2 off? then 2 on 4 off? What are the longer term cycle plans? I assume when you stop you are stopping the 4AD as well?
    No. Here's what Iam going to do... 2 ON, 1 off with 800 mg 6-OXO daily, 2 ON, OFF (clomid and 6-OXO).
    -AT
  7. PC1
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    Originally posted by db682
    (today I did shoulders and my buddy that I train with plays college football and hes a strong cat, I had him in shock when I was easily doing my final shoulder press sets, front and rear with 235lbs for 10 reps and that was after 4 prior sets.)
    db
    Dang db!

    When I grow up and get big, I want to be able to military press that kind of weight

    Great Job

  8. Well as I stated earlier, I will not be doing 10 per day. A lot of people wanted me to do it so we could all have something to go off of. Well I am not going to be the guinea pig of the group. I am taking it for fat loss and muscle hardening effects. So I feel that 20 is the best route. I know some people are saying that 10 per day should work, but I don't want to be the one who finds out that it doesn't.

  9. Update

    Day 10: Computer back up so I'll combine day 10-11 updates. Day 10, had great chest/tri workout. Strength up on all lifts but not freaky up, some minor cramping of muscles being worked. Used some caffiene and a half tab of ephedrine(12.5 mg). Left knee is getting worse. Lethargy managable. Vascularity returned late night and chest/tris allready sore from morning workout.

    Day 11:

    Chest/tris prety sore, knee pain up, lethargy intense, slept most of the day. First day that lethargy really effected me in that I did not workout or do other things I had to do today..kinda depressed actually. I think I just need to commit to taking stimulants regularly If Im to make the most of this cycle(If your too tired too train whats the point). My overall assesment up to this point has been negative. Even though my weight is up it's been too much of a struggle. Im going to commit to try some stimulants before I can make a final judgement. Adrenal glands be damned! God bless.

  10. Update

    Day 12: Weighed in today and unchanged at about +9 1/2 lbs which surprised me because my cals have been low the past couple of days due to extended sleep periods. Took 200 mg caffiene and 12.5 mg ephedrine in am before workout and was enough to stave off lethargy for remainder of day. Trained back/bi's/abs and all muscle groups felt very tight, especially abs. Upped my potasium to 800mg. Knee and joint pain better today. Libido still good, perhaps a tad low. Boys still fairly intact, right one a little smaller. No acne or hairloss to date. Wondering if I should take the cycle a full 4 weeks or stop when and if Im up 15 lbs. Should I be concerned about too much weight gain in one month? Most I've ever gained in 4 weeks of prohormone bulk was about 12 lbs. Im going to really try to turn up my training and diet now that I think I can manage lethargy with moderate stimulant usage as I feel the lethargy has held my progress back due to lack of training and meal frequency. A question for the board..All I have for post cycle is liquid nolva and wondering if you all think this is enough if I run the full 4 weeks? Thanks. Peace.

  11. I'M GOING TO RUN IT FOR FOUR WEEKS AT 20MG A DAY, THEN FOUR WEEKS OFF, THEN 10MG A DAY FOR THREE WEEKS THEN 8 WEEKS OFF. I WILL BE USING 6-OXO, TRIB, AND TONS OF FLAX POST CYCLE.

    Sorry just realized it was caps on.

  12. Originally posted by michael
    Update

    Day 12: Weighed in today and unchanged at about +9 1/2 lbs which surprised me because my cals have been low the past couple of days due to extended sleep periods. Took 200 mg caffiene and 12.5 mg ephedrine in am before workout and was enough to stave off lethargy for remainder of day. Trained back/bi's/abs and all muscle groups felt very tight, especially abs. Upped my potasium to 800mg. Knee and joint pain better today. Libido still good, perhaps a tad low. Boys still fairly intact, right one a little smaller. No acne or hairloss to date. Wondering if I should take the cycle a full 4 weeks or stop when and if Im up 15 lbs. Should I be concerned about too much weight gain in one month? Most I've ever gained in 4 weeks of prohormone bulk was about 12 lbs. Im going to really try to turn up my training and diet now that I think I can manage lethargy with moderate stimulant usage as I feel the lethargy has held my progress back due to lack of training and meal frequency. A question for the board..All I have for post cycle is liquid nolva and wondering if you all think this is enough if I run the full 4 weeks? Thanks. Peace.
    BUMP to the Nolva question. I plan on running the same exact stack in December and plan on using Nolva post cycle.

  13. Update

    Day 13: Well gang Im thinking I might run this for only two weeks given the feedback I've read. Weighed in today and up now a total of 12 lbs. Only reasons I was gonna run 4 was because I know 1-test gains really start to kick in after 2 weeks, wanted hopefully 15 lb gain and was just curious as to effect of this new substance(lab rat). Im happy with 12 lbs and just wondering how real these gains are. I do report that my abs have come back out a bit, my waist is stiil tight and calipers show show about only 1 1/2% increase in bf. Strengh up today on Quad workout. lethargy under control with moderate stimulant usage.

    Id appreaciate all your opinions on if I should stop cycle and what you'd recommend. My thoughts would be to stop after 14 days, then 2 off with nolva, then 2 on at 10 mg then 4 off. My goals would be to gain a total of 15lbs lbm. I figure if I stop at 2 weeks I'd be up about 10 lbs lbm. Thanks for any and all input. Peace and God bless.

  14. Originally posted by michael
    Update

    Day 13: Well gang Im thinking I might run this for only two weeks given the feedback I've read. Weighed in today and up now a total of 12 lbs. Only reasons I was gonna run 4 was because I know 1-test gains really start to kick in after 2 weeks, wanted hopefully 15 lb gain and was just curious as to effect of this new substance(lab rat). Im happy with 12 lbs and just wondering how real these gains are. I do report that my abs have come back out a bit, my waist is stiil tight and calipers show show about only 1 1/2% increase in bf. Strengh up today on Quad workout. lethargy under control with moderate stimulant usage.

    Id appreaciate all your opinions on if I should stop cycle and what you'd recommend. My thoughts would be to stop after 14 days, then 2 off with nolva, then 2 on at 10 mg then 4 off. My goals would be to gain a total of 15lbs lbm. I figure if I stop at 2 weeks I'd be up about 10 lbs lbm. Thanks for any and all input. Peace and God bless.
    Great info Michael. Well its your body and your decision. I am curious to see how much mass this compound could help put on in 4 weeks. I was thinking about running 4 weeks but from what I am seeing I may also stick with 2 weeks. I have not made up my mind yet. I agree with you that 1test usually starts kicking in after 2 weeks. The methyl 1 test seems to kick in right away. Good luck on whatever you decide to do. Thanks.

  15. continue Update.....

    just thought I'd mention that I think my using R-ala during this bulk has keep the gains as lean as they have been. Also forgot to mention that I have had some minor low back cramping the past week. Also my overall body ache flu-like symptoms have pretty much gone and only soreness I feel now is from the muscle worked from previous workouts.

  16. Michael,


    I noticed you mentioned knee pain. I too suffered similar pain during my one and only (so far) 1-test 4/AD cycle. You mentioned in one of your posts you jacked up your Potassium. In the same post you said the pain got better. Do you think there was a corelation between the two? I'd appreciate anyone else's insights into this as well, as I'm wary of starting another cycle, only to have to cut it short again due to the pain.

  17. Michael
    Are you taking biotin with your R-ALA?
    If not, you may have a biotin deficiency which can cause some joint pain.

  18. Update

    Day 14:

    ..previous questions: The knee pain seems to come and go regardless of upping my potas which Im at about 800 mg. No pain during Quad workout yesterday,even tried some extentions which I normally don't do much of and felt 0 pain, but today pain is back when I walk? Very weird.

    I am taking plenty of biotin with my r-ala. Only thing I could of improved on would be to drink more water.


    Well I've decided to stop my cycle at 14 days. Reasons would be that Im happy with gains and I'd like to minimize shutdown so I can go again in 2 weeks. I'd say overall the sides were about equal or maybe a little more than 1-test(trans homebrew at 300mg ed). Sides were lethargy, minor body ache, minor cramping, knee joint pain and maybe a little anxiety and or depression. Libido remained good as did hair and no acne. No aggression. Changes I would make on next M-1-test cycle would be more water, high dose electrolytes from day 1, stimulant usage at first sign of lethargy(I feel this hampered training frequency and meal frequency), and lower dose, ie 10mg. Plan for next two weeks is liquid nolva, keep cals high, more flax, continued OVT training(combo strength/hypertrophy). Next two week cycle will be continued bulk lowering dosage to 10mg and kepping homebrew trans 4AD the same(approx 400mg)


    Final stats:

    2 week bulk, 20mg M-1T(I did use 30mg for a couple days) 400mg 4AD
    Total weight gain: 12 lbs
    Bodyfat increase: 1-1 1/2%
    Waist increase: 3/4'

    Misc: I did not take in the amount of cals I had projected nor was my training frequency as projected. My guess would be that If I had I would of gained closer to 15 lbs. Also forgot to mention appetite was not great during whole cycle. Well thanks for tuning in and for all your encouragement and feedback. I'll keep the updates coming occasionally during my off cycle and continue full force in two weeks. Thanks again. Peace and God bless. Michael.

  19. Notice the part where Michael decides to "lower the dose to 10 mg"...

    12 pounds in 2 weeks! All said and done can you rate the quality of mass gain according to your mini-cycle goals?

    Chemo

  20. Originally posted by Chemo
    Notice the part where Michael decides to "lower the dose to 10 mg"...

    12 pounds in 2 weeks! All said and done can you rate the quality of mass gain according to your mini-cycle goals?

    Chemo
    ya it seems like 10mgs is plenty for most people from the feedback we are getting.

    However, over at BB.com a member with a lot of ph/steriod experience said that 5-10mgs is not enough. I asked him to elaborate and awaiting a reply.

    Michael, thanks again for everything. Your feedback was great.

  21. Update:

    Day 5 (post first two week cycle)

    Weight down 2 pounds, a little lax in keeping cals up. First thing I noticed was muscle soreness gone and lethargy stopped right away. My working muscles while on were becoming more and more sore post workout and the last couple of days on my forearms were real tight. No cramping, just a tightness I'd never experienced before. It didn't bother me. It's almost as if I was feeling the muscle grow beneath my skin. All sides I had while on are gone. Currently on liquid nolva and getting some acne. Still on all liver sups and will continue. I feel I will be better prepared for my next two week cycle after experiencing the effects first hand. My body composition while not changed much does look different. I just don't have that extreme muscular look that I had the last week I was on. It's hard to explain, it's not just that I was more pumped up or vascular or whatever it's just a "look". I noticed this because I shot a video for my wifes conference where I was spoofing an infomercial and I had that look. I was like, "damn...I look good". Having never done a true steroid Im guessing this is what it can do. That's all for now, I'll update as needed. Peace.
  22. post cycle update


    Post cycle udpate

    Day 8 post cycle: Gained back a pound, which puts me up 11 total from 12 original. Had a personel best flat benching today, felt very strong on this exercise only. Been better at keeping calories up..alot easier now with appetite back. Also trying to limit any stimulants during this time so I can use them regularly once cycle starts again and not deplete thee ole adrenals too bad. Only side on Nolva so far has been acne. I do have a question for the board about what dosage do you think I should use during two week mini off cycles? I've been at 40mg for 7 days and went down to 30mg tonight. Thanks.

  23. Bro for the Nolva I would use 40mg for the first week then 20mg for the next week. Kudo's for keeping us updated throughout your post cycle, you don't see to many people do it. Keep us posted bro, later J
  24. update


    Hey gang..sorry for the delays in updates but my post cycle has gone to pot. It started last week with a bout of severe depression(Nolva?), which Im prone to, but this was worse than usual. Then I got a stomach virus and my training and diet stopped. Just resumed training and eating more last couple of days and my weight and especially my strength is down. Im currently 17 days post cycle and I've lost 4lbs of the original 12 I gained, which ain't to bad considering. My body deconditions very fast so Im going to take another week or two to regain some strength, conditioning and clean calories to try to get back to a good baseline before starting my next two week cycle. I also might do 20mg again as opposed to 10mg just because of the down time and weight I've lost. Only change I would make is try splitting dose to see if it helps with lethargy, which was most troubling side effect for me. My knee pain which I had while on is completley gone. Stopped nolva after one week when I got sick so Im sure the short use coupled with longer off time I won't have recovery issues. Boys seem big again. Well it's back to the iron and the dining table. Will keep you posted. Peace.
  25. Re: update


    Originally posted by michael
    Hey gang..sorry for the delays in updates but my post cycle has gone to pot. It started last week with a bout of severe depression(Nolva?), which Im prone to, but this was worse than usual. Then I got a stomach virus and my training and diet stopped. Just resumed training and eating more last couple of days and my weight and especially my strength is down. Im currently 17 days post cycle and I've lost 4lbs of the original 12 I gained, which ain't to bad considering. My body deconditions very fast so Im going to take another week or two to regain some strength, conditioning and clean calories to try to get back to a good baseline before starting my next two week cycle. I also might do 20mg again as opposed to 10mg just because of the down time and weight I've lost. Only change I would make is try splitting dose to see if it helps with lethargy, which was most troubling side effect for me. My knee pain which I had while on is completley gone. Stopped nolva after one week when I got sick so Im sure the short use coupled with longer off time I won't have recovery issues. Boys seem big again. Well it's back to the iron and the dining table. Will keep you posted. Peace.
    I wouldn't be surprised if the 4 pounds you lost were water weight pounds from the 4ad. Thanks for the follow up.
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