very very newb....first cycle new to site!
- 03-13-2008, 10:53 PM
very very newb....first cycle new to site!
i just recently purchased superbolen 20 and methyl e from a friend that runs his own nutrition store. ive recently lost 55 lbs from dieting and excercise over the past 2 months and i was looking into getting more cut while building strength im not currently on and post cycle treatment since i just started 3 days ago. wondering if this is a good stack and any helpful information would be appreciated wether it be good or bad! thanks!
- 03-13-2008, 11:00 PM
- 03-14-2008, 10:18 AM
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03-14-2008, 07:18 PM
03-14-2008, 09:13 PM
03-14-2008, 09:35 PM
03-14-2008, 10:12 PM
methyl e = epistane
Thereís some logs search on mdrol or sdrol and epistane or havoc or Epi/Sdrol Log.
I stacked them once, and didnít like it, too much lethargy for me. But others have liked it. Superdrol is pretty toxic, you should invest in something like cycle support. Superdrol is also likely to shut you down so itís probably best to get a serm. Your dosages seem ok to me.
Designer Steroid/prohormone profiles
If you have anymore questions give a holler.
03-14-2008, 10:18 PM
03-15-2008, 02:40 AM
Hey your cycle doesn't look to bad considering you're a self-proclaimed newb. You should be in store for some impressive strength gains as well as additional lean mass. Keep that diet clean if your trying to cut up, and I'm curious how long are you running this cycle? And please tell your PCT!
03-15-2008, 02:43 AM
03-15-2008, 03:51 AM
Well it looks like you've picked some good compounds to lean out with. Not to mention lean mass (man i love those words) Sometimes s-drol will increase your cravings for junk food: high sugar, high carb, Just something to keep in mind (definately recommend super despite this).
03-15-2008, 03:55 AM
03-15-2008, 07:46 AM
03-15-2008, 07:59 AM
Also, since you’re tendons will be going thru added stress you should be doing something for joint support. Some combination of Cissus, glucosamine/chondroitin, and omega 3’s are the usual. However, I think you'll need more than just the omega 3's and no one seems to agree on what the dose should be, but 6 gms/day seems reasonable to start with.
Liver longer has nothing to do with PCT. Gaspari's novedex, is better than nothing but is not a SERM. With what you’re doing assume you will need a real SERM.
Most of us don't mind answering questions but you really need to search the board for most of this info. What I told you is just my opinion. There's ton's of info. After awhile you'll get an idea of who's most likely to know what he's talking about.
03-15-2008, 06:33 PM
03-15-2008, 08:50 PM
Is it safe to stack d4 thermal shock with m drol seeing how toxic it already is,im new and i have had the crap scared out of me taking m drol,can someone tell me what steroid its close to,so i can do some research on it?
03-15-2008, 08:54 PM
03-15-2008, 09:06 PM
03-15-2008, 09:46 PM
If your looking for an otc pct that will help go with post cycle support by AI and somethin like 6 oxo to go along with it. somethin like 40/40/20/10 with the PSC and with the 6 oxo you want to almost do the opposite of your PSC. Also throw in a anti-cortisol if you can.
Thats some heavy stuff ur runnin there and everyone always suggest a serm like nolva.
trust me i learned the hard way to have a serm on hand. I got blasted by ppl tellin me to pick up a serm.
03-15-2008, 10:48 PM
03-15-2008, 10:55 PM
03-15-2008, 11:00 PM
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03-15-2008, 11:11 PM
i mean u can but if your genetically inclined to this kind of stuff (gyno, high bp) its harder to supress it with a otc and with somethin like nolva u can completely avoid it. im not tryin to convince u to get it cuz i understand ur situation. trust me im kind of in the same one. this might have already been suggested or asked but have u considered pulsing?
03-15-2008, 11:13 PM
03-15-2008, 11:16 PM
03-15-2008, 11:37 PM
its a lump behind ur nipple that can progress and basically make u grow ***** tits. u dont want to it. look up epistane FAQ. neo has a good thread and it has gyno info in it.
it will give u lots of info
edit: it might help if you google gynecomastia.
03-15-2008, 11:50 PM
excessive development of the breasts in males; usually the result of hormonal imbalance or treatment with certain drugs (including some antihypertensives)
Abnormal enlargement of the male mammary glands, sometimes to the point of secreting milk.
This is the reason for the SERM recomendation. It will keep you Estrogen level from bouncing back real high after the sh!t your on.
the estrogen with eat your gains and give you gyno, most likely.
Looking big and ripped right now will pale in comparison to having to go to china for some prisoners liver, or when you need surgery because you look like you have golfballs under your pecs. these maybe otc, but they have prescription consequences.
I would research in the forums on this site; PCT ( post cycle therapy, SUPERDROL SIDES, epistane). Untill you've literally read every relevant page, you can never have to much info.
I would be happy to sit here and walk you through all the available options but its simply not possible.
I will give you my OTC PCT recomendation 6-oxo. its the only product ive seem that has any real peer reviewed literature on it.
03-16-2008, 01:58 PM
gyno is getting man boobs. It's the body and it's high estrogen bounceback after you've had a high test level for the cycle with superdrol.
Good luck with your cycle if you chose not to get a serm (Selective estrogen receptor modulator) such as nova (nolvadex - Tamoxifen / Tamoxifen citrate)
03-16-2008, 01:59 PM
03-17-2008, 01:19 AM
A SERM (Nolvadex) is not going to show up on any test that won't show these designer supplements your taking, not to mention Nolvadex isn't a controlled substance and wouldn't get you into any trouble. The point i'm trying to make is that if your not willing to do this right then maybe you shouldn't do it at all. Not trying to bust your balls man, really, just don't want you to reap the possible consequences. Can you just use an OTC pct??? sure you can and there's not a bad chance you'll be just fine, but, what if you're not?? Not trying to be a fear monger, but this is simple cause and effect. You won't see me run a cycle like this with no SERM!!!! All that aside I hope everything works out great for you man, I really do.
03-17-2008, 03:33 AM
03-17-2008, 03:57 AM
by the way just upped my universal animal pak to 2 bags a day......since im doing these ph's i figured itd be worth it to take 2 bags.....22 pills is a beast!
03-17-2008, 09:47 AM
03-17-2008, 10:39 AM
How's your progress?
03-17-2008, 06:56 PM
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