CuChulainn's M-Drol Pulse Cycle Log

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Here we go, just got all my supps in today.

Plan goes something like this
10, 10, 10
20, 20, 20
20, 20, 20
20, 20, 10

Though it may get modified depending how I feel into
(same first 3 weeks)
1 week off
Repeat first three weeks

I will be taking 40mg TD formestane on off days and pyramiding it for PCT with:
40, 60, 80, 100, 120, 140, 160, 140, 120, 100, 80, 60, 40

If at 3 weeks i decide to take a week off and do another three week i will probably order some nolva or torem at the three week point and use that for PCT.

My current stats:
6'3"
203.2 lbs
14.8% BF (as measured by my impedance scale, which fluctuates by about 3% in either direction) I would guesstimate it at closer to 17-19%
Been hitting the gym hard for about 3 years, but lost a LOT of mass after an injury and have gained a lot of it back, but got stuck at this point. (I was as low as 170@10% at one point :blink:)

Total eventual goals 210-215@ 7-9% body fat, which means I need to gain: (depending on where my current stats actually lie, and whether I decide to end up at 210@9% or 215@7%)
18-36lbs LBM
and lose
11-24lbs body fat

Big ranges I know, though I would like to think I would be happy at the lower end of the scale (210@9%, I will probably keep pushing it until i am 215@7% :twisted:) I hope to hit these goals in about 6-9 months with about 3 cycles, this one being the bulk, the next one i will stack pulsed m-drol and h-drol for a recomp, and the last one will be a solid H-drol cycle for cutting.


I will be eating about 3400-3700 calories a day, in which I will make sure i get at least 250g protien and 350g carbs.
 
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the formestane makes this an interesting one
 
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the formestane makes this an interesting one
I guess I will be a guinea pig, though my "risky" seems like sheer wussiness compared to voodoo from leanbulk = P

oh as a note, I know there is no possible way that the dose i took an hour before working out could have had a significant effect, but hell the placebo effect was great. had a stellar workout!

Oh as a note, I am doing a MWF workout routine to go along with the dosage (though this week it will be a tues, wed, friday workout, since i missed my workout on presidents day)

Workout goes like this:
M: Chest, Triceps, Calves, Abs
W: Back, Biceps, Abs
F: Legs, Shoulders, Abs

That way i get calves 2x a week, and I will also occasionally add an extra shoulder workout on Monday, as that is one of my weak spots.
 
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diet has been spot on for the past two days, but i am having a hell of a time force feeding myself. I feel stuffed all day but am only putting away ~3200kcal :smite: with my percentages as:

Total: 3192
Grams----Calories----%
Fat: 108----972----31%
Sat: 27----242----8%
Poly: 19----167----5%
Mono: 53----478----15%
Carbs: 346----1257----40%
Fiber: 32----0----0%
Protein: 219----876----28%

Tomorrow i will try and have higher protien % and lower fat (though all my fats are healthy, composed entirely of peanut butter, olive oil, almonds, and smart choice omega 3/6/9 butter substitute) by substituting my eggs + toast + smart choice + peanut butter breakfast with a protein shake with oats added in.

In every other way i feel right as rain though.
 
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nothing wrong with those %. macro breakdowns really are individual. I do miserably when my carbs go over 150g a day. just my personal body chem
 
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Day 7
Well, my training has been spot on, as has my diet (though i "cheated" with some dirty calories this weekend) and my scale said 207.2 @14.9% today :blink:
I think it must be a combination of glycogen and h2o stores, because there is no way i have gained 5lbs of lean mass yet. (i wish) I do feel that I have gained noticeable mass, but it would be unrealistic to assume all the weight gain was muscle.

Anyway, good progress so far! :cheers:
 
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Been hitting the gym hard for about 3 years, but lost a LOT of mass after an injury and have gained a lot of it back, but got stuck at this point. (I was as low as 170@10% at one point :blink:)
CuChulainn,

Just out of curiosity, what were your stats before the injury? Back in 2001 I busted both my quad tendons, by the time I was able to workout again I had lost almost 40 lbs. My upper body came back fast enough, legs took forever; but perseverance and intelligence pay off. I assume you’re pretty much over the injury, by now.


Good luck.
 

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Cuchulainn, Nice brother. I'm subbed, I'll be running the exact same cycle as soon as my nolva gets here (hopefully any day now) so I'm definitely in. Only different thing is, I will probably go up to 30mgs for the last 2 weeks. Looks solid though, good luck!!!:cheers:
 
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CuChulainn,

Just out of curiosity, what were your stats before the injury? Back in 2001 I busted both my quad tendons, by the time I was able to workout again I had lost almost 40 lbs. My upper body came back fast enough, legs took forever; but perseverance and intelligence pay off. I assume you’re pretty much over the injury, by now.


Good luck.
I dont recall my exact stats, but it was something around 190-198@10-12% or so, which puts me pretty close to my peak already, muscle mass wise. Mine was a lower back injury (spent 4-5 months on vacation, in the car and on a cruise (took a cruise then a hella road trip)) after which I went at it too hard and jacked up my back. My legs and back went to hell, right now my recent max for deadlift is 255, though i am confident that i could put on at least another 20-30lbs. I also have jacked up my left ankle more times than i care to count, so I have a big problem with squats (my ankle doesnt flex as far forward as it should) which puts a LOT of extra strain on my back and knees. So i never really do less than 6 reps with that, I am still kind of afraid to 1rm it. I rep with 155-175 which is actually about the same that I power clean :eek:. To make it that much more difficult, i usually work without a spotter. I am new to the area, and most of the people at my gym are idiots (high school guys strutting for the ladies) :frusturate: This is terribly annoying because when I was younger (like 15) and played basketball, raced BMX and mountain biked all the time i had FAR stronger legs than i do now at 27. :(

I am over the back injury, but not sure what to do about the ankle. It is very strong, just not able to flex as far forward as is necessary for olympic lifts, I may just have to stick to powerlifting squats. :mad:
 
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Cuchulainn, Nice brother. I'm subbed, I'll be running the exact same cycle as soon as my nolva gets here (hopefully any day now) so I'm definitely in. Only different thing is, I will probably go up to 30mgs for the last 2 weeks. Looks solid though, good luck!!!:cheers:
I may go up to 30, depending on how i feel. If i keep the gains up at this rate with 20, i will stick with that.

Oh yeah, no side effect so far either, feeling on top of the world. :thumbsup:
 
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I dont recall my exact stats, but it was something around 190-198@10-12% or so, which puts me pretty close to my peak already, muscle mass wise. Mine was a lower back injury (spent 4-5 months on vacation, in the car and on a cruise (took a cruise then a hella road trip)) after which I went at it too hard and jacked up my back. My legs and back went to hell, right now my recent max for deadlift is 255, though i am confident that i could put on at least another 20-30lbs. I also have jacked up my left ankle more times than i care to count, so I have a big problem with squats (my ankle doesnt flex as far forward as it should) which puts a LOT of extra strain on my back and knees. So i never really do less than 6 reps with that, I am still kind of afraid to 1rm it. I rep with 155-175 which is actually about the same that I power clean :eek:. To make it that much more difficult, i usually work without a spotter. I am new to the area, and most of the people at my gym are idiots (high school guys strutting for the ladies) :frusturate: This is terribly annoying because when I was younger (like 15) and played basketball, raced BMX and mountain biked all the time i had FAR stronger legs than i do now at 27. :(

I am over the back injury, but not sure what to do about the ankle. It is very strong, just not able to flex as far forward as is necessary for olympic lifts, I may just have to stick to powerlifting squats. :mad:
I wouldn’t worry about going lower than 6 reps. I’m not sure how beneficial low reps really are unless you plan on entering a power lifting contest. After I busted both my quad tendons doing leg presses, it was a long time before I could do anything more than 100 lbs for legs, and only until recently would I do less than 8 reps. I did some of my best praying in the gym. Finding a good spotter is hard for me, too, that’s one of the reasons I keep my reps high. Unless you’ve already done so, you might need to see a specialist about your ankle.

I really miss doing barbell squats, but sometimes you can find something similar that can be good enough. My gym has a V-Squat machine that is OK. Something like that might put less stress on your ankle or lower back. My biggest beef is, since I’m short, the machine barely reaches parallel, but it works well enough (most people don’t even try to go that low, anyway). I think that’s why I put so much into my dead lift.

Try not to get frustrated. As long as you’re making progress, I wouldn’t worry about the weight, it’ll come with hard work and proper nutrition. Back in 2001, old people were asking me if I needed help; now I can usually dead lift 505 for 3-6 reps and full leg press 700 for 6-8 reps.


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I wouldn’t worry about going lower than 6 reps. I’m not sure how beneficial low reps really are unless you plan on entering a power lifting contest. After I busted both my quad tendons doing leg presses, it was a long time before I could do anything more than 100 lbs for legs, and only until recently would I do less than 8 reps. I did some of my best praying in the gym. Finding a good spotter is hard for me, too, that’s one of the reasons I keep my reps high. Unless you’ve already done so, you might need to see a specialist about your ankle.

I really miss doing barbell squats, but sometimes you can find something similar that can be good enough. My gym has a V-Squat machine that is OK. Something like that might put less stress on your ankle or lower back. My biggest beef is, since I’m short, the machine barely reaches parallel, but it works well enough (most people don’t even try to go that low, anyway). I think that’s why I put so much into my dead lift.

Try not to get frustrated. As long as you’re making progress, I wouldn’t worry about the weight, it’ll come with hard work and proper nutrition. Back in 2001, old people were asking me if I needed help; now I can usually dead lift 505 for 3-6 reps and full leg press 700 for 6-8 reps.


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Yeah, I do need to go to an specialist about my ankle, also glad to hear that you have apparently made a full recovery. Luckily my ankle is flexible enough that I can do a full powerlifting squat (i can even do box squats with my legs at "powerlifting" angles, though i do need to work on hip flexibility), I just cant do olympic squats or front squats. I cant really stand most of the machines, they just dont "feel right" with my knees.

Thanks for the encouragement! Its more helpful than you know.
 

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Yeah, I do need to go to an specialist about my ankle, also glad to hear that you have apparently made a full recovery. Luckily my ankle is flexible enough that I can do a full powerlifting squat (i can even do box squats with my legs at "powerlifting" angles, though i do need to work on hip flexibility), I just cant do olympic squats or front squats. I cant really stand most of the machines, they just dont "feel right" with my knees.

Thanks for the encouragement! Its more helpful than you know.
I feel you guys on that. About 3 years ago I was doing some dumbsh!t (back flipped off my buddy's front porch) when I was, lets say "not feeling well" and tore all the tendons in my right ankle. Dude that was fcuking terrible I had bruises from my side of my knee to the bottom of my foot, my foot was totally black for like a month ( wish I had pic's of it).
Anyways needless to say I wasn't walking without crutches for 6 months, and it's never felt the same since. I have to work around it and I mainly use machines to do that because the squat just aint happenin! One thing I like to do is just use lighter weight for really high reps. I've found my legs actually respond better to this anyways. So I usually go pretty light and go for the 25-50rep range. I don't know if this will help you but it's worked well for me to prevent my stupid@ss from further damage!

I'm really stoked about your log bro, hope you see some great gains from this cycle!!
 
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Cu:

I don't consider my recovery full, my left quad feels like it's missing a tendon, so I guess it's a "tri" but I've learned to deal with it, grudgeonly. But, I'm glad I was of some help. I look around me and there's so many people half my age with real health issues I just need to be thankful.

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6 months is a long time, did you ever have them repaired or where they supposed to heal naturally?

Tendon and ligament injuries are the worst, I think I’d rather break a bone. Tendons just don’t seem to get a much attention from docs. I spiral fractured my ankle, I think it took about a year or so to get full mobility, but afterwards no problem.
 

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DBinMD, Ya six months was along time! The worst part of it was I lost more than an inch on my right calf and more than that on my quad! I actually voted not to have surgery because the Dr. I had said it was pretty much a 50% chance whether it would heal any better with the surgery than on it's own and the recovery could be longer (though I can't imagine that).
I later regretted that because like I mentioned it has never been the same since, and it was more than a year before I could even perform body weight squats!! I would have much rather broken it, funny because even the Dr. said that would have been a drastic improvement from the situation I was in!! I haven't attempted a back flip since lol...


I wonder if I can still do them??:think:
 
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I wonder if I can still do them??:think:
I dunno, you gotta have a pretty good vertical as well as having everything else workin right, might be pretty hard with only one good leg = P

BTW 180.0 today :D
 

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That scared me bro! I though you might have started doin Meth!!!! lol......... Up 5 that's great man!
 
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That scared me bro! I though you might have started doin Meth!!!! lol......... Up 5 that's great man!
screw meth, hookers and blow is where its at! (JK : P)
:cheers:

anyway, hope the gains keep up, one of these days i am gonna quit being lazy and actually take measurements of myself in the AM to see if size has changed at all.
 

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screw meth, hookers and blow is where its at! (JK : P)
:cheers:

anyway, hope the gains keep up, one of these days i am gonna quit being lazy and actually take measurements of myself in the AM to see if size has changed at all.
At least your arms that's all I usually mesure. O'ya maybe your waist to see if your gaining there :(
 
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I am currently doing a mdrol pulse my self. Best of luck to you! Oh and for your size your will definately need to raise to 30mgs at some point. Use it at 20 till you feel your gains slow. 20mg is a low dose for pulsing anyway. I ended bumping mine to 40 for the last week.
 
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at 40 how did you dose it? I tried 20 pre 20 post but the lethargy had me so ready to nap for the next 3 hours, I couldn't keep that up
 
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at 40 how did you dose it? I tried 20 pre 20 post but the lethargy had me so ready to nap for the next 3 hours, I couldn't keep that up
I was doing 30pre 10 post lethargy and back pumps were my only downfalls, but i did workout late then so it didn't mess me up to bad.
 
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i workout first thing mornings, so I was useless till after lunch with 40. I was considering that if I did it again, i'd dose 20 pre, 10 post and 10 maybe 3-4 hours later, so at least the first 20 was mostly clear by that point
 
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i workout first thing mornings, so I was useless till after lunch with 40. I was considering that if I did it again, i'd dose 20 pre, 10 post and 10 maybe 3-4 hours later, so at least the first 20 was mostly clear by that point
I have never personally tried this but hear it works.
 

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30mgs at once??

i workout first thing mornings, so I was useless till after lunch with 40. I was considering that if I did it again, i'd dose 20 pre, 10 post and 10 maybe 3-4 hours later, so at least the first 20 was mostly clear by that point
Aright guys I have a quick question for y'all.
I'm going to be running m-drol in a 3-week pulse and it's my understanding that the best way to dose on a pulse to avoid shutdown is to take the days dose at the same time. So do I have to try and bear 30mgs at once or will one of the variations above be suitable to still avoid becoming shutdown??
 
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the most important part is to have the last dose be as early before bed as it can be... so if you sleep from 11p-7a, you'd be best off taking 10 or 20 at 7, and making sure you took none any later than 1pm or so. how exactly you stagger it from 7a - 1p is up to you really. with superdrol in particular being so low androgen wise, it doesn't give much preworkout stim, so breaking it into 3 doses isn't the worst thing (7, 10:30, 1) as at least it gives your body a little time to clear inbetween.

But you can try 10 first a couple days, then 20 together a couple days and see how it goes.
 

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Thank you very much Easy. Your always helpful. Tried to repp you but I got to spread it around. Thanks again brother!
 
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the most important part is to have the last dose be as early before bed as it can be... so if you sleep from 11p-7a, you'd be best off taking 10 or 20 at 7, and making sure you took none any later than 1pm or so. how exactly you stagger it from 7a - 1p is up to you really. with superdrol in particular being so low androgen wise, it doesn't give much preworkout stim, so breaking it into 3 doses isn't the worst thing (7, 10:30, 1) as at least it gives your body a little time to clear inbetween.

But you can try 10 first a couple days, then 20 together a couple days and see how it goes.
I am not abiding by this AT ALL. I work out at 6pm, and usually hit the sack at 10. At the moment i take 10 at ~4:30-5pm, and 10 after workout (7-730pm) Havent run into any side effects so far, hope it stays that way. If i go to thirty it will probably be 20/10, and 20/20 if i go up to 40 (unlikely)

Still going strong though i did not get a chance to weigh myself pre-breakfast this morning, hopefully will get to tomorrow.
 
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its not so much about sides difference, its more about how much it suppresses your natural testosterone. might not make that huge a difference really, not exactly clinical studies done on it :)
 
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its not so much about sides difference, its more about how much it suppresses your natural testosterone. might not make that huge a difference really, not exactly clinical studies done on it :)
what is the theory behind the idea that having an anabolic affecting you while you are sleeping will decrease your natural test? it would seem to me that it woudl be the best time to have it affecting you, as your body is in repair mode anyhow, why not have a substance that dramatically increases the rate of repair/growth?
 
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the idea is that your body sees that substance as a replacement for test. It sees that you have enough androgens in bloodstream as it "mistakes" the superdrol for test, and so doesn't think it needs to make as much. thats how suppression works. just that since most of your bodys own testosterone is created at night, thats when you want your body to feel free to use its own. If it doesn't create it then, it wont be around in the morning either.
 
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209.2 :thumbsup:

thinking of kicking it up to 20/10 next week (week 3), what ya think?
 

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209.2 :thumbsup:

thinking of kicking it up to 20/10 next week (week 3), what ya think?

Up 6lbs in 2 weeks nice!! You've gained a lb a dose lol.. Keep it up brother, you still gonna stop at 4 weeks?
 
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yeah probably, i really want to avoid/minimize shutdown. plus i have mostly heard that gains from sdrol stop at week 3-4, and 5-6 are mostly just break even periods, I would rather get to "pct" so i can start up my hdrol cutting cycle sooner (i am not liking being chubbs = P )

still contemplating a stack of pulsing superdrol 20mg 3x week with ED dosing of Hdrol.

btw, had a crap workout today... back started hurting during clean and presses. it was a non-sharp low-lower back pain, maybe back pumps? dont know
 
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yeah probably, i really want to avoid/minimize shutdown. plus i have mostly heard that gains from sdrol stop at week 3-4, and 5-6 are mostly just break even periods, I would rather get to "post cycle therapy" so i can start up my hdrol cutting cycle sooner (i am not liking being chubbs = P )

still contemplating a stack of pulsing superdrol 20mg 3x week with ED dosing of Hdrol.

btw, had a crap workout today... back started hurting during clean and presses. it was a non-sharp low-lower back pain, maybe back pumps? dont know
I would be cautious about the hdrol and mdrol pulse could be a little toxic. have you done hdrol yet?
 
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I would be cautious about the hdrol and mdrol pulse could be a little toxic. have you done hdrol yet?
negative, i was under the impression that it was the mildest of the PS's, was I misinformed?
 
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its the mildest, but to run halo at a dose where the straight cycle will produce worthwhile gains (75-100mg) and then adding normal pulse superdrol dosings on top (20-30mg) is a lot in terms of liver strain and other potential short term sides on your workout days.

I'm starting to really seriously consider oral turinabol as my next cycle.
 
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its the mildest, but to run halo at a dose where the straight cycle will produce worthwhile gains (75-100mg) and then adding normal pulse superdrol dosings on top (20-30mg) is a lot in terms of liver strain and other potential short term sides on your workout days.

I'm starting to really seriously consider oral turinabol as my next cycle.
210.4 today :head:

I think I may try 20/10 today, see how it affects me, and i will reconsider the stack. Do you have a good suggestion for a recomp/cut PS other than h-drol? or is that a pretty good choice?

edit: also considering taking part of my dose at noon, and the other part right before my workout... thoughts? i was thinking it may be better for avoiding suppression but worse for building mass (less post workout recovery time under the influence of the substance).
 

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Furazdrol is a non methylated ph designed for cutting/stacking, though I have no experience with it. You may want to check it out, or just add a fat burner.
 
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Hmm... interesting. I will have to look up furza, i am hoping to gain a few (5?) lbs of lbm and lose about 10lbs of body fat. (i would have thought that was long strech, but hell, i am up 8lbs in 2 weeks with a pluse... it doesnt sound that unreasonable anymore)

back to the log:
did 20/10 today, and had an awesome workout. I am switching up my routine so i can try and hit back and shoulders 2x a week (they are my two weakest spots IMHO) and had a splendid workout until the end, where i felt hypoglycemic like a mofo (which i am sure it was, i had my post workout shake and felt all better), also had such massive pumps in my shoulders it almost hurt, which is a first. I guess I need to eat more carbs pre-workout when on 20/10 to avoid hypoglycemia, I blame todays problem on the fact that I got my workout delayed by an hour by my lady, so I super-setted everything in order to get out of the gym at a reasonable time and take my post-dose of mdrol as early as possible.
 

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You might try sipping on a soda or juice during your workouts to minimize the hypo feeling. A hard-ass workout makes me feel like that anyways sometimes, and I found just sipping on something sweet before/during my workout really helps a lot!
 
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214.6 :lol: after my morning piss, and before breakfast. Rather dehydrated too, so its not bloat. This **** gets me excited every time i step on the scale!

Still no real sides at the end of week 3 (at 20/10)

Side note: Played a game of football on thursday, and no matter how hard you hit the gym, it really doesnt prepare your body fully for a game of sport. It feels like every muscle in my body is on fire, especially my hip flexors and obliques... I LOVE IT. I think its going to become an every thursday thing.
 

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I'm stoked for you man, you've made some great gains. I'll be starting the almost exact same cycle in a week so that's really good to hear!! Any more negative sides to report? Have you had problems going hypo again?
 
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nope, i went strong the whole football game, but ended up skipping my friday workout because my entire body was (and is still) sore as heck. Makes me marvel at how much better conditioned I was when i was playing rugby.

I think in a couple months during my cutting/recomp cycle, i am going to ghetto-ize a sled for myself from home depot and basically put myself through training camp. Lots of HIIT and some heavy lifting, with some Hdrol and 2500kcal/day (too much/too little calories for recomp? i have no idea) Thinking of getting a weighted vest too.
 
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Great progress ChuChulainn. Any chance of posting pictures of your current state?

I'm planning to start something in 2 weeks, and your pulse cycle and current results are making me reconsider my plan - yours looks better :)
 
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I am chubby and hairy, I think I found a good picture of me on google:


Warning: Pictures may not conform exactly to reality

Warning 2: Do not try and take my stick, for it is mine and I will fight you over it
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I dont really have any pictures of myself at the moment, maybe once i get my cut on I will get my GF to take some pics of my pale and hairy irish/scottish ass.
 

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