H-Drol/Epistane Log

BigAsian · 11-26-2007, 07:34 PM

Just to make things clear I know what I am doing. I have all of my support supps and post cycle therapy ready. I will not update everyday just when I either feel like it or if I notice something major, but I will update a few times a week.

About Me: 21y/o, 6'5", 220-225lbs, ~8-10% BF
Experience: I ran a cycle of M-Drol over the summer and made some nice gains.

So here it is. This cycle started on 11/21.

The Cycle:
Weeks 1-4 H-Drol 50mgs/day
Weeks 3-6 Epistane 10mgs/Day ramped up to 30mgs/day

Support Supps:
AI Cycle Support
Fish Oil
ON's Opti-Men Multi
PrimaForce ZMA
CoQ10
Nimbus Nutrition Swell
Scivation Xtend

PCT:
Torem
AI POst Cycle Support
Tirbulus/Fenugreek
Anabolic Xtreme Retain2
ALRI Restore

Well with all that out of the way feel free to follow me along as I attempt to get big.

-BigAsian

king1033 · 11-26-2007, 08:13 PM

good luck how r u going to be dosing the torem??

**matthew76** · 11-26-2007, 10:39 PM

Any reason why you're using Retain and Restore?

beebab · 11-26-2007, 10:45 PM

good lookin cycle bro, subb'd

soulitarysoul · 11-26-2007, 11:09 PM

I'm thinkin bout doin the exact same cycle except with Hemaguno instead of Epistane (they have the same active ingredient I beleive)

i know some sup's "kick-in" later in the cycle Does epistane/havoc/hemaguno do the same thing? or does it kick in, after a few weeks.

BigAsian · 11-27-2007, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by matthew76

Any reason why you're using Retain and Restore?

i was under the impression retain2 is more for cortisol control then estrogen control, which is why i was gonna add in restore for estrogen control.

**matthew76** · 11-27-2007, 12:21 AM

You've got AI PCS and Torem for that... I would recommend that you save the Restore for a later time. It would be a waste to use it.

BigAsian · 11-27-2007, 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by king1033

good luck how r u going to be dosing the torem??

thx for following along,

I was gonna run it
~1week @ 120mgs
~1week @ 90mgs
~1week @ 60mgs
~1week @ 30mgs

i think i will be easier to do it this way since i have liquid torem and it is dosed at 60mgs/ml

BigAsian · 11-27-2007, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by matthew76

You've got AI PCS and Torem for that... I would recommend that you save the Restore for a later time. It would be a waste to use it.

I was actually going to run the restore inversely to the serm, but i know you are very knowledgeable as i have read many of your posts so if you believe that saving it is a better idea i will listen.

**matthew76** · 11-27-2007, 12:31 AM

I can speak for the use of Restore and it's inability to do much. I hate to say that, but that's the truth.

You're good with the remander of your PCT set-up... should be a great one. Retain is an excellent choice for Cort control.

BigAsian · 11-27-2007, 12:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soulitarysoul

I'm thinkin bout doin the exact same cycle except with Hemaguno instead of Epistane (they have the same active ingredient I beleive)

i know some sup's "kick-in" later in the cycle Does epistane/havoc/hemaguno do the same thing? or does it kick in, after a few weeks.

I have read epi "kicks in" within the first week, but h-drol takes a few weeks to kick in.

i am almost a week in and it i have noticd i am more vascular though the day and endurance is through the roof. strength is up but only slightly. no sides yet, but too early to determine, no back pumps or increased acne yet.

I would stick to the ones we all know to work, i was under the impression that there hasnt been alot of info on hemaguno.

**matthew76** · 11-27-2007, 12:38 AM

Fortunately, back pumps are not really noticable with those two compounds. When the H-Drol does kick in, you'll fell an increase in overall mood (for the better) at first, then strength... You'll like it alot!

BigAsian · 11-27-2007, 12:57 AM

you are tight about the positive mood change i have noticed that from the first day, though it is too soon for h-drol to kick in must be placebo.

MuscleGuyinNY · 11-27-2007, 05:26 AM

F-ucking count me in!

By the way, thanks for the past advice, BigAsian. I'm very interested in this cycle. I've been wanting to try H-Drol and Epistane, but never thought about stacking them. I'm looking forward to your results. Good luck!

**Force of Green** · 11-27-2007, 06:13 AM

I think that the cycle looks good and it's VERY mild. You can get away with PCT of AI's PCS for the full month with Retain 2 and maybe just 3 days of torem at 120mgs for the 3 days. That's just my two-bits worth.

BigAsian · 11-27-2007, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Force of Green

I think that the cycle looks good and it's VERY mild. You can get away with post cycle therapy of AI's PCS for the full month with Retain 2 and maybe just 3 days of torem at 120mgs for the 3 days. That's just my two-bits worth.

thx...i have seen your posts on using sustain as a part of pct as well...i was thinking of giving that a try but id rather be safe for right now.i was thinking on cutting a week off of torem. but will see how my body responds.

Thank you for all your replies and advice regarding this cycle.

keep following me while i try to get big.

-BigAsian

**matthew76** · 11-27-2007, 10:58 AM

Torem's half-life is so great that you can actually miss a week at the end and still be good. Espesially since the cycle is mild in andro sides. Derm. Sustain is a great product and should be looked at alot more then what it is. You'll be suprised on how well it works. I myself, do not like research chems and I'm glad they're products such as E-Form, Derm. Sustain and PCS.