The Twitchs new begining.

[MentalTwitch]

M-Drol 10/20/20
During...
Cycle Support
Milk Thistle
SuperCissius Rx
B-Complex w/ Vit C
Omega3
Taurine
Poseidon

Maybe...
Nutra Pump Stack Cit. Malate, Arginine, Creatine Gluconate
this depends on how i feel day to day and if i need the energy boost.

PCT
Torem 120/90/60/ maybe 30
Post Cycle Support by AI
Diesal Test Hardcore
Retain 2
6-oxo

The SuperCissius Rx will prolly carryover for a week into PCT.
All other basic Supps will be used, Multi, Omega, Protein, etc. on regular basis as they are now.
Any Qs, ideas, suggestions, etc arewelcome and appreciated. Thanks everyone for the help gettin me ready for round 1.
It will begin this coming friday. The idea is to pack on some muscle for the holidays, just cause. Kind of like my own little gift

 

[MentalTwitch]

Its my first cycle. Maybe id do 10/20/30.

 

[ReaperX]

Are you getting your blood tested ?

 

[MentalTwitch]

Are you getting your blood tested ?

I want to. tomorrow im callin to see if i can get in by friday-monday. If not, and i will prolly get flamed for this but i will go without the first time around. I honestly havent see anything from people on a terrible level and theier levels do recover. One that note, if i dont this time i will for sure int he future. Even Post cycle blood work would be worht it.

 

[ReaperX]

My friend never gets blood tests. He's a Phera-Plex lover, that's all he runs. He just does cycles every 7 months...no sooner than that.

 

[UNCfan1]

Get fcuking Mental!!! Good luck bud I am subbed! Good doses too. How are u going to dose the cycle support and M-drol? 4 hrs apart?

 

[MentalTwitch]

Get fcuking Mental!!! Good luck bud I am subbed! Good doses too. How are u going to dose the cycle support and M-drol? 4 hrs apart?

Prolly even further. lift around 6pm-10pm or 11am-2pm so i will be able to take it before bed or in the morn no problem.
The Mdrol will be 10= 1 hour PreWO with a whole grain sandwich, prolly PB on 2 slices of WW.
when it goes 20= 10 hour before 10 hour after...? this im unsure about still. I know ive read a few doing this and noproblems.

EDIT: Ill do morn and PreWO or ill do PreWO and night pending on WO time. I just saw another thread.

 

[NasD]

I'm still in the "researching" mode so I'll be following this. I'm planning on running M-drol in December. Good luck!

 

[NasD]

Twitch, one quick question: why run milk thistle separately since Cycle Support contains it? For extra liver support?

 

[matthew76]

I'm up in this motha fukca!

SuBBeD!

Last week - GO TO 30! :twisted:

 

[MentalTwitch]

I'm up in this motha fukca!

SuBBeD!

Last week - GO TO 30! :twisted:

haha we'll see what happens but ill prolly just stay at 20. I got eager and started yesterday. I actually almost decided to go with 20 20 30 too....im a lil nuts int he head. I may bump soon and go 20 all the way the way through. more is better right....:twisted:

I ran Milk Thistle and RedYeast Rice prior to cycle for a week or so and also cause i dint have cycle support.

I am also switching to machines and a lil more powerlifting style.

 

[MentalTwitch]

oh yea and i just ate and am about to hit the gym. Shoulders, chest, bis, abs...n a lil cardio.

 

[crader]

Here to support!

 

[MentalTwitch]

Here to support!

thank you.

Just got back from the gym. Ok workout. Vascular, somewhat strong. Still adjusting to the "new" lifts in my routine. I like it. During i feel very swoll and full but after i feel small. I was breathin a little heavy today at work so i may stop the Cit Malate and Creatine Gluconate. I am still working on gettin he Arginine down but its tough.
Nothing out of the ordinary though that would be shown from the Mdrol, its only day 2. not expecting anythign until week 2 begins.

 

[MentalTwitch]

Day 4.
Nothing noticeable.
Missed my Cycle Support last night, no biggie.
Been upping cals bigtime, around 4500, lil dirty.
When week 2 starts im goin to back them off, focus on carbs if i get tired or lethargic and up cals if need be.
My boys are hanging low and they functiond normally as far as i could tell last night.
I did develop a cough and sore throat 2 days ago. Doubt it is related to the Mdrol as the weather is changing quickly here in Chicago.

Yesterday and today i took off.

 

[MentalTwitch]

I hope your mdrol works for you! I will be watching this closely.

No increased aggression in the gym? No increase of "pump" ?

Mine didn't work for me

Funny you say that. I have been gettin more "angry" in general. Not really yellin n stuff but fell like i could blow up. Im very good at calming and not over reacting most of the time.

I am keepin an eye on it. I think i was gettin a lil pump today at work as i am always walking and lifting thing. I think i got one in shoulder & tricep...i think. Never really had a pump. Im back at it tomorow after 2 days off.

I couldnt get my a$$ out of bed today.

No lethargy as i usually nap when i get a chance.

I have been gettin this weird twitchingor something in the ab are on the sides...not sure if its muscle or internal, it feels like a muscle twitch.

I feel a lil more full often.

If i dont see any big changes by wednesday(end of week one) i may get a lil nervous as i hope i am not a non responder, i have 2 more bottles...haha. Maybe Hdrol will be more up my alley.

Anyways, sorry bout the length, thanks for watchin, peace out.

EDIT: If i dont see any changes end of week 2 i will prolly bump to 30. Just cause.

 

[MentalTwitch]

Today was good.
My apetite has been up since day 2.
Did back, bis, calves today.
Felt good int he gym, dint use anything preWO but felt strong.

My appetite is insane heres an idea. this is my after workout meal.
1cup oats w/ honey
2 pieces garlic bread(i know i know not good idea)
2 cups juice
1 cup lean shredded pork.(no fat eaten)
3 chicken strips
a McDs salad, cause theyre big and im lazy.

To be honest i may have a lil more at 3 before work.
I try to cram in as much food as i can before work casue i get out at 10 ands dont feel like having carbs n stuff.

I still feel my muscles are more full often.
Vascularity is up slightly.
Weight i am assuming is up i will weigh in tomorrow.

Once i start into week 2 i will be cleaning it up a bit.

 

[sfearl1]

found it

 

[MentalTwitch]

found it

Just in time too....

Today was great. Focus was all there. Only thing i added preWO was 2.5g Cit. Malate & Poseidon.

Did
Decline BB press- 3sets
Cable Crossovers- 2 sets
side cable rasies(shoulders)- 2
front cable raises-2
DB press- 2
Rope pushdowns- 3 (Weight up)
Overhead cable pulls(triceps) -2
Lat pulldowns- 3 (weight went up)
DB side leans(abs)
decline crunches
5 min cardio
seated calve raises

I kept the sets at 9-5 reps
I had good mind to body connection
My temper is a bit up.
No othersides yet.
vascularity up. Even without the Cit Malate.

 

[sfearl1]

enjoy this cycle. first cycles are the sh1t!!!!!

 

[MentalTwitch]

enjoy this cycle. first cycles are the sh1t!!!!!

So i hear. I got my new knee support today so im goin to give some heavy squats a shot. Prolly something like
Quads/Hams
Forearms
Cardio
traps
maybe bis.

I really want to widen my back up some. i got good definition and thickness, just lackin some width.

 

[NateWA]

Looks good man!

 

[MentalTwitch]

Today i start 20mg.
I am a bit nervous as last night went well but today i have a bit of a chest pain on the left side just below me pectoral.
I did do chest yesterday and did decline BB press so i am goin to hope it is just a sore muscle but it is to odd that is only on one side(heart side) and after 3-4 hours of dosing 10mg.
If this continues or worsens i will be ending at the end of week 2.

Its odd casue ive never had any medical issues or in the family either.
I dont want to puss out but i also dont want a heart attack.
I dont feel faster heart rate or heavy breathing or anythign else just this little pain. alil like a cramp.

In light of this i opted to not squeeze the gym i before work and leg day is pushed to tomorrow.

 

[sfearl1]

Today i start 20mg.
I am a bit nervous as last night went well but today i have a bit of a chest pain on the left side just below me pectoral.
I did do chest yesterday and did decline BB press so i am goin to hope it is just a sore muscle but it is to odd that is only on one side(heart side) and after 3-4 hours of dosing 10mg.
If this continues or worsens i will be ending at the end of week 2.

Its odd casue ive never had any medical issues or in the family either.
I dont want to puss out but i also dont want a heart attack.
I dont feel faster heart rate or heavy breathing or anythign else just this little pain. alil like a cramp.

In light of this i opted to not squeeze the gym i before work and leg day is pushed to tomorrow.

i was the same way my first cycle. you're just paranoid cause you're taking something for the first time. is the pain in the muscle or deeper? i'm pretty sure you'd be able to tell if it were something other than muscle soreness.

 

[Travis]

Just make sure your getting enough water. I know on cycle I get very tight obliques...not sure why that is but I am certain it puts me a risk of pulling/tearing something in that area.

This sounds like it could be your issue depending upon how deep the cramp/pain is...

 

[MentalTwitch]

Well it like the lower pec only on the left. It was hapening a bit today not so much. Ill keep monitoring it. It may just be from being new to it. I dont feel paranoid. i am actually stayin pretty calm.
Today....
I was in bad mood. Little things bothered me and stuck with me from last night. I dint snap off at anyone but almost wanted to at a few guests at work.
I feel stronger for some reason today, when i was moving rugs and tile.
No other sides i have noticed.
Hunrgy is still up there but ive been fighting it and making sure i keep things clean.
I started 20 today.
Ill be able to have a much more clear mind as i have break from school coming soon and all my papaer form here on out are more spread out.
I have a football game on Turkey Day morning so i want to be bale to dominate! haha

Thanks again everyone and take care.

 

[sfearl1]

Well it like the lower pec only on the left. It was hapening a bit today not so much. Ill keep monitoring it. It may just be from being new to it. I dont feel paranoid. i am actually stayin pretty calm.
Today....
I was in bad mood. Little things bothered me and stuck with me from last night. I dint snap off at anyone but almost wanted to at a few guests at work.
I feel stronger for some reason today, when i was moving rugs and tile.
No other sides i have noticed.
Hunrgy is still up there but ive been fighting it and making sure i keep things clean.
I started 20 today.
Ill be able to have a much more clear mind as i have break from school coming soon and all my papaer form here on out are more spread out.
I have a football game on Turkey Day morning so i want to be bale to dominate! haha

Thanks again everyone and take care.

yeah superdrol kinda made me moody. i was in a bad mood alot while on it. strength should be going through the roof before yo know it

 

[MentalTwitch]

Today...
the numbers are reps...just to clearify
Squats-15 8 8 5 2
Rack Pulls - 10 6 5 2
Shrugs - 15 10 8
Face pulls - 10 8 8 8
Seated Leg exgtensions(machine)- 10 8 8 5
Lat pulldowns - 8 8 6
Walking Lunges- 22 steps w/ 55lb DBs
Hammer curls - 10 10 6 w/ supper sets of...
Regular curls - 8 4 4
Felt great today. I dont have the PreWO N.O. product boost but i def feel in the zone.
Lat Pulldowns went up.
During curls i felt as if my skin was goin to rip.
I hit traps hard casue it works for me, always has.
Legs i dont need much genetically i have big upper legs.
Chest is sore from yesterday, the feelingi had is pretty much gone, maybe it was small pumps? As my chest def looks more full as due my arms. Forearms too but i havent directly hit them at all.

Tomorrow i have a wedding at 530 but im hopin to get in and hit shoulders, abs, cardio, tris maybe chest but if its sore i wont.
weight is up 4-5 lbs. Staying fairly lean, i havew ab outline.

Im out.

 

[crader]

abs are always nice!

 

[MentalTwitch]

Today...
Sucked. kind of.
Got up early, dint hit the gym...i know i know im slackin bad.
I had to shop for the wedding. Still ate good. Only thing was i missed my 2 dose of Mdrol and had to take it late....very veyr late as in 2:00am late. I just forgot my pill containerat home. So tomorrow will be....
shake w/Cycle Support & food
Lift then first dose.
Sadly my chest pain is still occuring and it is still only on the left side. I was dancing(or tryin to) tonight and noticed nothing bad.

No other sides to note.

So i will continue this cycle.

Just started gettin the chest pain. Well i just rubbed the muscle about 1inch under the nipple on my pec and it feels knotted compared to the other side. mmmmm....i may try to heat itor ice or 30 sec. of each for ahwile tomorrow during football.

 

[MentalTwitch]

Today....
Mood was fair. Got into a bit of an arguement wiht my mom over dumb shyt, nothin new there.
Workout started strong but seemed to slowly fall off. So at mid way i took a 5-10 break ot hydrate and rest.
DB Press- 18 15
pushups - 20
Seated Row- 12 10 8 6 lbs:reps ratio is up.
Cable crossover- 10 8 6 Lbs:reps up
Hammer Curls - 9 Dropset w/ 20 @ 20lbs
Lat Pulldowns - 10 8 6 6 Lbs:reps up
Straight arm front raises(?)- 15 10 8
Bent single DB row- 8
rested here.
Pulldowns(tri's) - 10 8 8 dropset w/15 lbs:reps up
Dips - 20 16
Cardio - 5min @ 150 bpm

Overall, good mentality. Felt strong. Chest felt ok.
Legs are killing me still. From leg day and that i squeeze in cardio.

Contemplating pickin up some BCAA soon.
Look bigger...and weight is still up. Ill weigh in in the morn.
At the wedding last night i had multiple people grab my arm like i dint know what they were looking for. It was funny, i was wearing a fairly loose bleakc shirt so i must have still looked swoll.

PS- Cant wait for holidays and to let the family see me.
Anyone think Clen would be a bad idea maybe half way through PCT? If not i may just bulk hard through it and then cut hard.

Thanks again everyone for hangin around.:head: :woohoo:

 

[MentalTwitch]

Clen in post cycle therapy is good for retaining those gains, staying lean, and keeping that 'on' intensity in the gym. When I use clen I lose bf and gain muscle as long as I keep those cals up and stay insane in the gym.

If it is your first time using it, there is no need to ramp on the dosage too quickly. Start slow and enjoy it while it is effective because you get used to it fast.

If you are concerned that the effects will wear too quickly Ketotifen is a research chemical that will down regulate your beta receptors. Dose it before bed because it makes me drowsy. Benadryll is an OTC that some use for the same purpose but keep in mind Keto and Benadryll are not the same.

Thanks man. My post cycle therapy is
Deisel Test Hardcore
6oxo
Retain 2
PCS by AI
Torem
Im goin to get Clen soon just to have.
So Keto will help keep form tolerance build up? Id prolly go 2 day on 2 off. And yea keep the dose low, the sidesdont scare me but i work in retail and talk to guests all day so i dont want to be too noticably cracked out.:fool2:

 

[MentalTwitch]

If you use clen, drop the retain.

hmmmm. maybe ill wait on the clen then. Retain solo for me was great, so i def wanted it in there. Alright, thanks man, much appreciated. Clen will wait it out then.

 

[bLacKjAck.]

Why not list the weight being lifted?

Pics?

 

[MentalTwitch]

Why not list the weight being lifted?

Pics?

To me the weight means nothign right? I mean if i lift 50lbs less than you but we both lift for the same reps...what does it matter? I will lift final lifts after cycle w/ weight. I write down all my big lifts and major difference in a notebook.

Pics...well. I have a camera phone. Im a pretty broke at home college student.(i have a new car, phone, food bills) This christman i may get one. The girl that was goin to take them for me, we got into an arguement. She choice not to talk to me for a week and thats why. She said she will take post cycle for me. Then i will also take post post cycle therapy ones also.

Today i noticed no differences. I am only at 5+ lbs. I am thinking it casue i uped my calls a bit. Then cleaned them up. I do see size improvement though.

I am currently searching for an "old" more reliable superdrol.
I have DX3 and Methylvol in a cart right now.

The weight is up though in lifts. I havent went to big bench, squat, dead yet.

The plan rihgt now is to go through PCT. Clen. Then basics for awhile(creatine, preWO boost, nighttime supp.) Then go back on to either Hdrol or another SD clone.

I know this log isnt crazy detailed but my next one will be.

Thanks everyone. Take care.

EDIT: Conpemplating goin to 30 3rd week. decide by wed. Also, i know this is a noob question but if i see no gyno signs, no ball shutdown, libido issues or anything. Do i really need Torem? I bought alot(i have anxiety and OCD issue kind of) but now im thinking i will never use any of it.

 

[sfearl1]

To me the weight means nothign right? I mean if i lift 50lbs less than you but we both lift for the same reps...what does it matter? I will lift final lifts after cycle w/ weight. I write down all my big lifts and major difference in a notebook.

Pics...well. I have a camera phone. Im a pretty broke at home college student.(i have a new car, phone, food bills) This christman i may get one. The girl that was goin to take them for me, we got into an arguement. She choice not to talk to me for a week and thats why. She said she will take post cycle for me. Then i will also take post post cycle therapy ones also.

Today i noticed no differences. I am only at 5+ lbs. I am thinking it casue i uped my calls a bit. Then cleaned them up. I do see size improvement though.

I am currently searching for an "old" more reliable superdrol.
I have DX3 and Methylvol in a cart right now.

The weight is up though in lifts. I havent went to big bench, squat, dead yet.

The plan rihgt now is to go through post cycle therapy. Clen. Then basics for awhile(creatine, preWO boost, nighttime supp.) Then go back on to either Hdrol or another superdrol clone.

I know this log isnt crazy detailed but my next one will be.

Thanks everyone. Take care.

EDIT: Conpemplating goin to 30 3rd week. decide by wed. Also, i know this is a noob question but if i see no gyno signs, no ball shutdown, libido issues or anything. Do i really need Torem? I bought alot(i have anxiety and OCD issue kind of) but now im thinking i will never use any of it.

yes i would use the tor. no physical signs of shutdown doesn't mean anything.

 

[MentalTwitch]

yes i would use the tor. no physical signs of shutdown doesn't mean anything.

yea. ill use it. got plenty any way

 

[EasyEJL]

there will be some shutdown + lowering of testosterone even if you dont feel it much, and the serm will help make sure that the massive estrogen conversion that will go on as the test levels start to swing up don't cause gyno

 

[MentalTwitch]

Good day.
I decided today even tho things are going....ok. Ill be bumping to 30 wednesday for the final week. I se no reason not. Most that happens is i see no further gains and always the chance of increase in sides.

I hit chest hard today and will be hittin legs hard tomorrow. I know if you look at my workouts it looks like im strictly upper body but i am by no means un proportioned and i do have good genetics for legs.
I will have Post cycle pics(me and the girl are straight now) and then i will have post PCT ones also.
Today was....
5 minute eliptical
Flat DB press- 15 10 8 6 4
DB presses- 10 8 8 dropset 15
Side raises - 10 8
front raises(palm up)- 10 8
Cable crossovers(down to up) 15 10 10 8 5
" " (up to down) 10 8 8 6
Tricep pushdown - 10 8 6 dropset 15
DB Shrugs - 10 8 8
DB curls - 10 dropset 20 / 8 dropset-12
Rack Pulls - 10 8 6 5 3
alternated with
Shrugs - 15 12 10 8

I feel great. Chest is def. looking more full today.Fairly lean still. weight is up another 1lb. I have been upping my carb a bit though, good carbs(oats, WW bread, brown rice)

Future plans. PCT - Clen - Nothing - Hdrol - PCT - Nothing- New SD clone. I know im thinkgin ahead but this is what my plans are as long as nothign extreme happens.

I do like Mdrol in light of whatever is goin on and this final week at 30 should be great.

 

[crader]

I love the double dose of nothing in your post cycle!!

 

[MentalTwitch]

I love the double dose of nothing in your post cycle!!

i couldnt figure out what you meanti re read my whole post....you mean the future plans right? Yea i want to keep the cycles limited. I think that will change though, i was just bored and thinking ahead.

Bought to go hit legs soon, about an hour or so.

 

[crader]

Lol yeah where you had clen-Nothing-etc-Nothing. It just struck me as funny...Sorry I'm in a stressed zone

 

[MentalTwitch]

Lol yeah where you had clen-Nothing-etc-Nothing. It just struck me as funny...Sorry I'm in a stressed zone

no its cool. i woke up from a nap so i had to read it 8 times...haha. sorry you hear youre all stressed.

 

[NateWA]

looks good bro. what kind of pct are you planning for Hdrol?

 

[MentalTwitch]

looks good bro. what kind of post cycle therapy are you planning for Hdrol?

Not a clue yet. Ill have Torem still. I still have to look into other things. Itll prolly be a 4 week maybe 5 just off the top of my head. I got awhile for that though.

 

[NateWA]

yeah I read somewhere halodrol type stuff didnt need that intense of a pct. I was wonderin if I could get by running just otc stuff If I did it.

 

[MentalTwitch]

yeah I read somewhere halodrol type stuff didnt need that intense of a post cycle therapy. I was wonderin if I could get by running just otc stuff If I did it.

There were a few guys that mentioned that. I think ReaperX said his freind runs Hdrol all the time wihth a weak PCT. Or maybe it was for PPlex. Ronnie ran Nolva after his. I searched and for some reason imnot turin anything good up. I guess when i get to that bridge ill ask once. After that just use Torem for it maybe only 3 weeks or something. I may use a non-methyl with my Hdrol though considering its right after my Clen ill be ready for some all muscle gains.

As the thread states....this is my new begining. Update in a moment, eating in a few.

 

[MentalTwitch]

Yesterday....
I took nothing extra except some Taurine preWO. I have had any back pumps or problems like that but doesnt hurt to take it anyway.
Squats - 15 5 5 5
Good AMs- 10
SLDL - 12 10
hamstring curls- 15 12 10
Seated calf raises - 10(3sec pause at top & bottom) 10 8
5 min cardio 150 bpm
weighted crunches - 20 20 15 10
hanging Leg raises- 20 20 10 15

Not much but I wanted to go in and do something. I kept my heart rate up the whole time, not resting to often to cool down all the way. Legs didn't take to much of a hit as you can see but it was enough.
Today off - just work
Tomorrow is back.

Just tried loading a few pics and my bluetooth isnt working and i cant email off my phone for some reason. So itll have to wait till the girl takes them.

This just in. Found an older PH called AH-89 by American Cellular Labs. I will be tryint o get some of that and running it with my Hdrol.

 

[matthew76]

This just in. Found an older PH called AH-89 by American Cellular Labs. I will be tryint o get some of that and running it with my Hdrol.

HMMMM, sounds familar... LOL! $90, I said it was expensive!

 

[MentalTwitch]

HMMMM, sounds familar... LOL! $90, I said it was expensive!

haha it's 72...you got PM :thumbsup:

Its pricey but i read a few reviews and sounds worth it. Itll just have to wait till after the car payment and a paycheck. Looks like eveyone will have a weak X-mas from me....just so i can get hyyyuuuuuge! hahaha