Critique my AX Pheraplex Plan

celc5 · 10-23-2007, 01:04 PM

Ok fellas, just started my cycle support preload yesterday. Start date is in 2 weeks.

On Cycle:
Pheraplex 20-40mg for 3-5 weeks
Cycle Support 2 scoops
E-form ramp to about 80mg/day starting day 10

*I have taurine on hand in case pumps show up
*I have plenty of cissus in case of joint issues
*RPM in case of lethargy

Post cycle:
Cotinue Cycle support until the tub runs out and then switch to random "support" supplements that I have in my stash for liver, BP, etc
SERM: Torem (per protocol)
AI: Formestane ramped inversely to torem then tapered for 2 additional weeks
Test Booster: Activate
Cort Control: Lean Extreme
Bulk: Creatine Mono and Arginine

*I also have epi on hand and will consider a mini-bridge if things get too wet and sloppy.

Diet will be 300/300/60, super stict and adjusted as necessary for a lean bulk. I'd like to gain 6-8 pounds and drop 1-2% fat.

Let the suggestions fly!

EasyEJL · 10-23-2007, 01:09 PM

looks good to me.

only question is on formestane. In PCT you mention tapering inversely to torem, but you are using it while on cycle. So are you going to stop it with last day of cycle, and start a ramp up from 0 the following day?

celc5 · 10-23-2007, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by EasyEJL

looks good to me.

only question is on formestane. In post cycle therapy you mention tapering inversely to torem, but you are using it while on cycle. So are you going to stop it with last day of cycle, and start a ramp up from 0 the following day?

A good way to look at it is that I'm sort of BRIDGING formestane into post cycle therapy.

I'll keep it at a low dose (around 80mg) and then RAMP up until week 4 post cycle (my sweet spot is around 160ish although others like it around 200). Then I'll taper it back down for 2 weeks because I have OCD like that

Btw, kudos to Dr. D for confirming my form plan a LOOOONG time ago on the IBE forum.

thebigt · 10-23-2007, 01:43 PM

wait till 10 day's into pct to start activate, add some powerful to pct for possible prolactin issues. ok, let the good times roll, a celc log is on the road. good luck buddy.

celc5 · 10-23-2007, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by thebigt

wait till 10 day's into post cycle therapy to start activate, add some powerful to post cycle therapy for possible prolactin issues. ok, let the good times roll, a celc log is on the road. good luck buddy.

hmm, the powerful is an interesting idea. I hear mixed reviews as some love it and others say it's a dud.

You know I like my ladies so the potential for a libido boost could be an added bonus. BigT, any thoughts on dosage and new vs. old powerful? ...vs. bulk powerful? I have some extra caps lying around that COULD be used for powerful or in case my torem is too nasty for my chinchilla or hampster or rat or whatever

prld2gr8ns · 10-23-2007, 03:55 PM

Looks good celc, you've got it all planned out to a t.

As for the Powerfull, bulk I've taken 2gr/day and noticed some really good libido boost from it(if thats what your looking to get out of it). Can't really comment on none of the capped products as I've yet to get rolling on them.

celc5 · 10-23-2007, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by prld2gr8ns

Looks good celc, you've got it all planned out to a t.

As for the Powerfull, bulk I've taken 2gr/day and noticed some really good libido boost from it(if thats what your looking to get out of it). Can't really comment on none of the capped products as I've yet to get rolling on them.

a thumbsup from all 3 of you guys makes me pretty confident... of course, I've stolen ideas from Easy, BigT, and Prld along the way from all of your posts so no wonder you guys like the plan

Prelude, any comments on powerful and prolactin as BigT mentioned?

Travis · 10-23-2007, 06:03 PM

Oh my gawd Form in PCT!!!! Lol, just kiddin bro. Cycle looks good.

As far as powerful you could use it as a preventive measure however if your having problems I sure wouldnt count on it to stop you from lactating.

For myself personally it makes me extremely lethargic during the day...

celc5 · 10-23-2007, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis

Oh my gawd Form in post cycle therapy!!!! Lol, just kiddin bro. Cycle looks good.

As far as powerful you could use it as a preventive measure however if your having problems I sure wouldnt count on it to stop you from lactating.

For myself personally it makes me extremely lethargic during the day...

Someone's gotta try formestane in post cycle!!!

...eh, serioulsy I'm not breaking any ground. People been usin the stuff in post cycle for years and I don't believe it's any more supressive than the divanil that everyone loads up on in post cycle

I'm just considering all suggestions including the powerful, but welcome all input at this point. Lethargy kicked my a$$ in the first 2 weeks of post cycle my first time around. So that COULD be a big issue for me

EasyEJL · 10-23-2007, 06:39 PM

you know, although powerfull's GH releasing is lowered by an insulin spike, i'm not sure if its counter-prolactin effect is affected. if not, taking some carbs with the powerfull would stop the sleepiness

UNCfan1 · 10-23-2007, 11:21 PM

Looks damn good bro! I love the way u plan and research the **** out of something. Mad props lol. I can't wait til u start it.

thebigt · 10-24-2007, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by celc5

Someone's gotta try formestane in post cycle!!!

...eh, serioulsy I'm not breaking any ground. People been usin the stuff in post cycle for years and I don't believe it's any more supressive than the divanil that everyone loads up on in post cycle

I'm just considering all suggestions including the powerful, but welcome all input at this point. Lethargy kicked my a$$ in the first 2 weeks of post cycle my first time around. So that COULD be a big issue for me

divanil isnt suppressive, i think you are thinking of 6-bromo. btw ive been taking 8ed of old powerful, got it cheap. no lethargy but thats just me. i think you could get a lot of benifits from just taking 4 before bed. going to get a bottle of new powerful on next order, dosing it at 6ed. ill let you know how it goes.

**pistonpump** · 10-24-2007, 09:02 AM

plan looks good.

I agree, at least 10days of SERM only should be used before adding other stuff.

If lethargy comes with using powerfull you can still just use it before bed, thats what i do.

celc5 · 10-24-2007, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by UNCfan1

Looks damn good bro! I love the way u plan and research the **** out of something. Mad props lol. I can't wait til u start it.

I like the discussion that posting my plan generates. Some things come up that I had not even thought about... for example, the powerful discussion here. Also, some even brought up questioning the serm dosing protocols... I should have more on that particular topic soon I hope.

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Originally Posted by thebigt

divanil isnt suppressive, i think you are thinking of 6-bromo

I've read about controversy concerning both actually. I think it's absolutely bogus that either one is detrimental in post cycle.

Anyway, conerning the divanil, I've read some discussion about how increasing free test COULD theoretically affect restoration of hpta. It was described as sort of "extending the cycle." I see the logic but doubt any supression.

dethklok · 10-24-2007, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by celc5

I'm just considering all suggestions including the powerful, but welcome all input at this point. Lethargy kicked my a$$ in the first 2 weeks of post cycle my first time around. So that COULD be a big issue for me

I am taking 3 grams of bulk before bed as a part of my post cycle therapy right now and it helps me sleep. Took once before a workout and I thought I was going to slip into a coma with a db in my hand.