Test/Tren/Bold Bulk Cycle

CryingEmo · 07-21-2007, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by getswole

I agree with your point it is true,but I stand firm by the statement "More gear=More Growth",its just weighing in the (gains vs. sides)that only you can know what works for yourself,but you don't know til' you experiment,noone can tell you what works for you,its being open minded and seing what works.If you can handle more gear,you will get better results,I say this from experience,not from what I read somewhere.Just trying to help,I know some will disagree with me in some form or another but everybody has their opinion,which makes the world a better place.

But Chaps your right,I don't Reccomend anyone do some of the sh1t I do,However I won't stop you either

I'm off to Sams,I got 100lbs of meat to buy

,and a case of eggs,I usually end up grilling all weekend,getting stuff ready for the week,grill 20-30 chicken breasts,Potatoes,Veggies and a few burgers.The rest of my beef I cook daily,usually dinner.Butcher slices me some beautiful petite sirloins ,there marbled and always very lean,love it.We go through some serious Ahi Tuna when its fresh,eat it raw/cold,stuffs awesome.Or you can sear it,and dip in some teriyaki sauce,mmm....I'm starvin' now...wish I hadn't started this post,lol.

Make me some meat bro!

northern · 07-22-2007, 12:45 AM

You guys had some interesting things there esp. chaps. I have cabergoline but did not plan to use it as I never had had trouble with prolactin however this is my first time with GH. What do you think of 0.25mg 2xWeek for cab? Also what is DCP I have not heard of it. I have heard of cytadren as a cortisol blocker is that DCP i.e. is dcp its active ingredient?

What else, I have been getting rather nausious having a hard time eating. Has anyone here used those digestive enzymes before I tried a few but they did not do squat of course they where just groery store brand enzymes. nonetheless I am willing to try them again if anyone has had good luck for them or if you guys know something better for reducing nausea or stomach bloat. By bloat I mean that feeling like you are not digesting your food. Dont think its a salt prob as I eat very little salt. Anyhow thanks for the info bros.

**Ubiquitous** · 07-22-2007, 01:13 AM

I personally would hold off on the Cab until a problem arises, and even then I would have to ascertain it was related to pro... too many theories abound on what causes problems like this. NSAIDS like Advil or Naproxen actually helped me after I read a Dr. D post on *seemingly* IGF related Gyno.

Truth be told the times I have had difficulties with sides, it has been when I stacked quite a few compounds and I could never isolate the problem.. so i just used a carpet bomb style attack on the sides... usually rendering me without libido and in a general PMS-like state.

I want to also add that I only speculate that the distention was VAT related.

I took a rather aggressive anti-cort protocol recently and my bloated look is going away quite fast. This could be either proving it, or just me shedding water bloat.

Dopamine Agonists are effective for combatting prolactin, and I have used Cab in the past, but I just feel uneasy about using something that affects my brain chemistry anymore than I do already.

Yes, I use digestive enzymes, and they definitely do help. I use Source Naturals brand right now, but I have found many brands effective. Amylase is great for my carb ups.

**CHAPS** · 07-22-2007, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by northern

You guys had some interesting things there esp. chaps. I have cabergoline but did not plan to use it as I never had had trouble with prolactin however this is my first time with GH. What do you think of 0.25mg 2xWeek for cab? Also what is DCP I have not heard of it. I have heard of cytadren as a cortisol blocker is that DCP i.e. is dcp its active ingredient?

What else, I have been getting rather nausious having a hard time eating. Has anyone here used those digestive enzymes before I tried a few but they did not do squat of course they where just groery store brand enzymes. nonetheless I am willing to try them again if anyone has had good luck for them or if you guys know something better for reducing nausea or stomach bloat. By bloat I mean that feeling like you are not digesting your food. Dont think its a salt prob as I eat very little salt. Anyhow thanks for the info bros.

DCP stands for Damage Control Protocol and it's an otc supplement, available at nutraplanet from RPN, it's main vat fighter is TTA a fatburning fat, it's great stuff. I've used Cabergoline for many occasions and love the stuff, it has the pleasant side effects of making orgasms more intense and allowing you to stay hard after an orgasm

. I'd go with .5mg monday and thursday it has a long half life and will remain in the body for days at a time. As for cytadren that is some serious cortisol suppression, and it will lower estrogen as well BUT it also messes with androgens so you better be using it on cycle and it can be a dangerous drug. X-lean or lean extreme would be my choices for cortisol suppression.

northern · 07-25-2007, 02:47 AM

Im thinking about the cab but again dont know if I should take it unless I really need it, something to think about.

Took another set of shots today, noticed a good amount of bleeding in the right shoulder but that stopped after a few minutes. HGH still causing sleepyness and strength is really starting to show, squats and bench are up 20 and 10lbs respetively but then again I did switch my training method as well.

Trying to think what else. I am thinking of extending the cycle from 18 wks to poss. 22 or 24 since eq takes both a while to work and a while to clear, I will have to debate this.

**pistonpump** · 07-25-2007, 10:10 AM

24 weeker..... sounds great if you have the funds to support pins, gear, more gear, food, new clothes, ancillaries, bloodwork, gear, more gear, and a hot midget whore.

getswole · 07-25-2007, 10:04 PM

24WKR.....not good...the long runs are what really hurt ya,Do a high mg short run like I'm starting next week...you know the one

60 grams in 60 days...lol

northern · 07-28-2007, 01:59 PM

I like you idea but not quite ready for it yet. I have had very good luck with longer cycles so thats why I prefer them. Anyhow had another shot on thursday, not noticing much of anything from injects yet but I am sweating constantly all day and night,. I mean literally dripping sweat off my body.

Anyhow Still taking the GH. Stupidly ran out of needles and had to take a 4day hiatus which I hope does not mess things up too much but we will see.

Thanks for your info guys.

**Ubiquitous** · 07-28-2007, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by getswole

24WKR.....not good...the long runs are what really hurt ya,Do a high mg short run like I'm starting next week...you know the one

60 grams in 60 days...lol

I feel you have more of a chance in retaining gains from longer, moderate cycles. Consider it as your body acclimating to the gains over time... Kicking a tree with your shins for months, rather than getting cracked across the shins with a bat for a couple hours.

getswole · 07-28-2007, 04:46 PM

Thats true,I mean I've done some long cycles and I agree easier to keep gains...but 24wks?thats to the point where 10yrs down the road your receptors are gonna be ****ed,That is one thiong with all gear that is truly documented,is that the longer term use without coming off as often will burn your receptors out,So if you don't care what heppens down the road then its all good,I guess my question is if you do a 24wkr and then post cycle therapy for a month or soare you gonna stay off cycle for another 24wks.....Highly unlikely,Time on=time off..If I wasn't going on cycle for 24wks I'd go nutz.I think 2-3 shorter cycles a year are much more benefitial to the majority of people.I can't say I always follow my advice either,but I do know what I "should " do,lol.

**Ubiquitous** · 07-28-2007, 04:57 PM

Time on=Time off is general rule of thumb, as that is the responsible thing to advocate on a forum where people go to learn about using AAS responisbly.

It's just to make sure the ignorant people recover, and don't get caught up on the neverending cycle mentality.

You can recover from a 7 month cycle in a matter of months max in my experience.

I don't think the AR downregulation theory has been proven, or documented.

northern · 07-28-2007, 06:59 PM

Well I realize time on=time off. However I have played around abut with this Idea and noticed that If I follow a more conservative PCT like i normally do. I simply need 2 months after PCT to really recover so to speak. I know I should take 7 months technically but I have never read anything proving that the receptor downregulation thing existed.

In fact I have read more stuff to disprove it than to prove it.

Anyhow my 2 cents. I have some injectable DBOL I want to try out to see about that spot injection theory just have get around to it.

Ah well soon enough.

**Ubiquitous** · 07-28-2007, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by northern

Well I realize time on=time off. However I have played around abut with this Idea and noticed that If I follow a more conservative post cycle therapy like i normally do. I simply need 2 months after PCT to really recover so to speak. I know I should take 7 months technically but I have never read anything proving that the receptor downregulation thing existed.

In fact I have read more stuff to disprove it than to prove it.

My points exactly.. Time on=Time off, or Time on+ PCT = Time Off is merely a general safeguard for the casual user. It is indeed very responsible and people benefit from setting that in as a rule, but I have recovered quickly from very long runs. I feel I could have bounced back on after a few months, yet refrained as I don't see the need unless I compete...

This touches on that very thin line between dependence, but that is for another thread entirely. My apologies Northern.

GetSwole, please point us in the direction of this receptor burn-out documentation you speak of.

getswole · 07-28-2007, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Ubiquitous

My points exactly.. Time on=Time off, or Time on+ post cycle therapy = Time Off is merely a general safeguard for the casual user. It is indeed very responsible and people benefit from setting that in as a rule, but I have recovered quickly from very long runs. I feel I could have bounced back on after a few months, yet refrained as I don't see the need unless I compete...

This touches on that very thin line between dependence, but that is for another thread entirely. My apologies Northern.

GetSwole, please point us in the direction of this receptor burn-out documentation you speak of.

Its well known in the world of Bodybuilding that long cycles will burn you out receptor wise and by the time your 30-40 you'll need some HRT,just ask Dr.D,or any Hrt Doc...I agree I wasn't speaking specifically of just AR receptors but the stoping or lack there of any natural test production...Not to mention the toll on your liver/kidneys even more so w/ longer cycles..In the end its what works for you,however HRT is not the end of the world,it could be a good thing in its own sense,I know a few that are on hrt and Still choose to be involved with bodybuilding,that still doesn't mean you should go on cycle and not come off.I wasn't trying to start an argument,take what I say with a grain of salt if you wish,its all good.I do alot of sh1t I don't reccomend anyone try,but thats me.But I am fully aware of all the risks before I do things and its a choice I make.Northern knows I'm not trying to junk up his thread with some arguement