[bigbadboss101]

I think this is a toss up.  I have 2 bottles (minus a few pills) of 1AD here and will like to start a cycle mid month.  I will only go 300mg a day, which will last me a bit over 30 days.  I like to see how 1AD work by itself.  However, I also think 4AD would yield additional growth, and combat the negative effects of 1AD.  What do you recommend?  People had good success with both plans.  If I do go with some 4AD, what much should I be taking a day?  Probably 300mg of 4AD since the 1AD absorption won't be as high as 1T.

[windwords7]

If you can add in the 4AD then do it bro!

[TMack40]

I would def add the 4-ad. Itll improve your gains and keep your sex drive up. IMO you always want something boosting test in a cycle, eg. I wouldnt take fina without taking some test with it. Good luck.

[Kay]

well there are pros and cons --
lets start with the pros --
increased water retention --- increases CSA of muscle ---> greater strength ---> greater overall gains
increased protein synthesis
counteract lethargy and low libido
4ad is anabolic in itself, so again, better gains

cons --
feelings of bloatedness and being fat, holding water
any sides that maybe associated with 4ad ... aromatization (?)
extra cost ? -- although 4ad is pretty cheap, but still...

[Sean]

If you're cutting, 300mg will be enough to keep libido up and to counteract lethargy, but to bulk, 600mg is more like it.

[bigbadboss101]

Ok, thanks for the advice.  I might do a bulk this cycle, even though I do have fat on me already.  Later in April I will do a strict 1test to cut.

BTW, do any of you look normal?   You are all huge?  I won't post pics until I see a 'normal' not so big guy :-)

[Kay]

Originally posted by Sean
If you're cutting, 300mg will be enough to keep libido up and to counteract lethargy, but to bulk, 600mg is more like it.

i think a lot of it will depend on diet. if you are eating tons at 300 mg.day, you will still notice a lot of water gains and bloatedness, but if you are in a caloric deficit, you can get decent results.

Personally, i think 300 mg.day might be too high for cutting, i would actually not use 4 ad for cutting, there are better PH's out there, if one chooses to use them for a cutting cycle.
Nor-diol and 5aa come to mind.

[windwords7]

3Alpha is probably the best cutting option out there stacked with 1T.

[TMack40]

I think 300 mg of 4-ad is fine for a cutting cycle. Sure its going to put a little water weight on you but thats just it, water weight. Youll lose that right after you stop taking it whlie you continue to cut. I think that is a viable option for the amount of muscle that having some 4-ad in your system will save you. It might just take a little patience, but IMO will be less frustrating than the lethargy and poor libido of a 1-test only cuttin cycle. Youll prob also be taking an eca so that could combat lethargy too, but id still hit up a little 4-ad.