Ergo Max/Havoc/DHEA/Lipoderm/Sesathin/Poseiden

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    Ergo Max/Havoc/DHEA/Lipoderm/Sesathin/Poseiden


    Begins tommorrow....

    STATS:
    Age: Old
    Weight: 220
    Bf%: Omron from Wallyworld says 17-18%, ecto
    Yrs training: 20 off/on
    Anabolic steroids history: This will be 3rd oral cycle, last Phera 2+ months ago
    Training style:

    Upper/cardio
    Lower
    off/cardio
    Upper/cardio
    Lower
    off/cardio
    off/cardio

    Cardio will consist of light swimming mornings(active recovery/laps/stretching/water running)/stationary bike evenings (.5-1hr).

    INJURIES: herniated disc, tendonitis left elbow, bad joints overall (arthritis).

    GOALS: Recomp, Strength, lose as much body fat as possible. If I gain 5-10lbs thats cool, but lose fat.

    CYCLE:
    wk 1: Ergo Max 30mg/ Lipoderm
    wk 2: Ergo Max 40mg/ Lipoderm
    wk 3: Ergo Max 30mg/ Havoc 20mg/Lipoderm/ Poseiden (hydration)/ Sesathin
    wk 4: Havoc 40mg/ DHEA 100mg/Lipoderm/ Poseiden/ Sesathin
    wk 5: Havoc 40/50mg/ DHEA 150mg/Lipoderm/ Poseiden/ Sesathin
    wk 6: Havoc 40/50mg/ DHEA 200mg/Lipoderm/ Poseiden/ Sesathin

    SUPPORT SUPPS:
    Multi
    fishy oil (8 caps)
    AI Cycle Support
    Liv 52
    Cissus, Glucosamine/msm, Emu oil, Stop Pain, Calcium + D
    Celery Seed, Taurine etc.
    Off days 50g BCAAs
    Various Nootropics (ie. picamilon, phenibut, cialis, valium, xanax, Johnny Walker, heroin light)

    Post Cycle Therapy:
    Wk 1: Toremifene 120mg, Maca (12g), Deisel Test 2040 (haven't tried this before), Trib Test (nor this), Retain (3 caps), etc
    wk 2: Toremifene 60mg, Maca (12g), Deisel Test 2040, Trib Test, Retain (3 caps), etc
    Wk 3: Toremifene 30mg, Maca (12g), Deisel Test 2040, Trib Test, Retain (3 caps), etc

    Cabergoline @ 1.5mg per wk may also be used 1st 2 weeks post cycle therapy.

    I also have quite stash of Metformin Hydrocyloride 850mg, a prescipt for increasing insulin sensitivity. I have no diabetes/insulin prob just got this stuff around, have used it before for 1 month didn't notice much, think it'd be good to throw in PCT for synthesis w/ creatine + anabolic sensitivity to food, so get me better thru PCT, retain gains better?

    Will also go back on Selegeline 5-10mg day @ begin of PCT.

    Last PCT (PP cycle) the Tor got me up and running in 3-5 days. PCT may only be 2 wks depending on how it goes, as far as Tor. Will run other stuff at least 3 wks + creatine mono, glycergrow, citrilline malate, beta alanine, tarine, etc. Last PP cycle was not shut down bad. Anyone recommend a good stim? Stim X at 3 caps + 500mg caffeine + yohimine hcl 3 caps don't do all that much to me. Don't like Synephrine, dirty/jittery above 2 caps. AMP loses effect after 2 or 3 times.


    DIET:
    Looking @ 3500 cals clean, 60/30/10, may bump to 4000 cals, maintenance is @ 3200, will try to get from solid food.

    I'll update this log 1-2 times week with:

    Weight
    Bf% per Omron
    Strength gains
    Feel/sides/dosage upping/lowering from schema above/ ie how the rides goin

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    Today is 1 wk into cycle. So far not so good. Started @ 40mg instead of 30. Very little strength gain, put on about 3-5lbs eating not much above maintenance (not wanting go put on much weight, recomp). Main prob is extreme lethargy and my joints are killing me. Man, I'm groggy as hell. Didn't feel this way at all thru PP cycle. This lethargy is a killer. Anyone else react bad w/ lethargy on Ergo Max?

    Anyways....change of plan so I'm incorporating 10-20mg Havoc tomorrow along w/ the 40mg of Ergo I'm at now. If I react well to the Havoc I may just drop the Ergo Max soon altogether.
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    Since there's been so much interest in this log, I've decided to update it.

    End of Week 2

    Weight: +8-10lbs (I'm sure some of this is water)
    Bf% per Omron: 15.7 (but it varies)
    Strength: Some improvement not much but better last 2 wkouts.

    Sides: BP is normal. Joints are aching pretty bad. Insomnia.
    Lethargy.

    Dosing

    I was thinking of dropping Ergo Max because of lethargy but have decided to run thru my supply. This is dosing so far.

    Days 1-7: Ergo Max Lmg @ 40mg
    Day 8: Ergo Max Lmg @ 40mg, Havoc @ 10mg
    Day 9: Ergo Max Lmg @ 40mg, Havoc @ 20mg
    Day 10: Ergo Max Lmg @ 40mg, Havoc @ 30mg
    Day 11: Ergo Max Lmg @ 40mg, Havoc @ 40mg
    Days 12-14: Ergo @ 40mg, Havoc @ 40mg, DHEA @ 150mg

    I began to see improvement in lethargy and aching joints when I added DHEA. This is also helping w/ aching joints and perhaps lethargy to some extent:

    Sesathin: approx. 2 tsp per day
    CLA: 6 caps per day
    Coconut oil: 2 tsp per day
    Natty pb: 2 tsp per day
    Flax caps: 3g per day

    Adding Damage Control Protocal @ 3 caps per day today.

    Continuing on....
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    Dosing was 40mg Ergo/40mg Havoc.

    Workout yesterday began to feel fatigued, hot, lethargic. Got home checked BP. 158/92. Not good. Iced myself down, felt really exhausted but had pretty good workout actually, LOL. Dosed some Hawthorne/Celery seed, layed on couch for hrs and felt really blah.

    Stopped the Ergo, its out. BP is dangerous high I think. Today just running Havoc @ 40mg BP in good range 130-140/80, normal for me is 120/80. Havoc just kills my joints. I suspect Havoc effects my BP more than Ergo too but running w/ it. Now just running Havoc/DHEA.

    Journey continues....
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    goodluck finishing this strong product used
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    Quote Originally Posted by nycste View Post
    goodluck finishing this strong product used
    Thx, good luck on your cycle.

    Day 24. This has been a "messy" cycle. Really haven't felt good from the start like on previous PP cycle. Ergo Max LMG and Havoc don't agree w/ me that well I think, these compounds effect people differently. Ya learn, I guess. Dosing is now:

    Havoc 30mg/DHEA 150mg/Mega TRN 4mg

    This is 1st day of Mega TRN @ 4mg, started it 3 days ago @ 2mg. Felt strong today, much better. The TRN might agree w/ me

    db flat bench
    85 x 8
    90 x 8 x 2
    95 x 7 x 2
    100 x 6 x 2

    db inclines
    85 x 8 x 2
    90 x 8 x 3

    fly/pec machine
    machine max + 2 25lb plates x 8 x 3
    machine max + 2 25lb plates + 10lb plate x 8 x 2

    lat pulldown btn
    190 x 8
    210 x 8
    220 x 8
    230 x 7
    240 x 6

    close grip pulldowns
    180 x 8
    200 x 8
    220 x 8 x 2
    240 x 6

    db overhead shldr press
    45 x 8
    50 x 8 x 2
    55 x 8 x 2

    smith squats
    90 x 10
    140 x 8
    180 x 8
    230 x 8
    250 x 8
    270 x 8
    290 x 8
    230 x 8
    180 x 8
    90 x 15

    My joints are dry as hell, painful, the Havoc, db agree w/ me now. BB work is tough on my joints now, painful.

    BP has been an issue. WATCH THE SUMMMER HEAT! Stay hydrated, do the hawthorne, celery seed. I'm monitoring BP everyday now.

    I'm much more encouraged after today. I just weighed myself, I'm up 16lbs, WTF!!!, this is a recomp, LOL, I'm eating maintenance or below. The TRN is blowin me up!

    Nips a little sensitive, psychosomatic I think, no gyno flare up I don't think.

    Continuing on.....
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    Thinking about doing something similar for a recomp. Keep the info coming!
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    hmmmm....saw DHEA and was like...wtf? only to see your age and it says: old...hahaha


    Sorry to hear its not meeting your expectations man, I LOVE Epi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bLacKjAck. View Post
    hmmmm....saw DHEA and was like...wtf? only to see your age and it says: old...hahaha
    Everyone at BB.com is running havoc/epistane w/ DHEA to improve Test levels, help joints as havoc suppresses Esto levels so harsh. Man is this sh#t dry!

    Today: off, 1hr cardio, might do some deads.

    Yesterday:

    flat bench (fcking joints!):

    230 x 8 x 3
    240 x 7 x 2
    250 x 4 x 1

    decline bench:

    180 x 8 x 1
    200 x 8 x 2
    230 x 6 x 1

    lat pulldown:

    180 x 8 x 1
    200 x 8 x 1
    220 x 8 x 1
    240 x 8 x 2
    250 x 4 x 1

    close grip pulldown:

    180 x 8 x 1
    200 x 8 x 1
    220 x 8 x 1
    240 x 8 x 2

    hammer curls:

    35 x 20 x 2
    40 x 15 x 1
    45 x 10 x 1
    50 x 10 x 1

    pec/fly machine:

    machine max x 1
    machine max + 2 35lb plates x 4

    shldr press:

    40 x 8 x 1
    45 x 8 x 1
    50 x 8 x 2
    55 x 6 x 1

    leg press:

    540 x 10 x 1
    630 x 8 x 1
    720 x 6 x 3
    540 x 15 x 1

    Some other stuff........

    Major side is LETHARGY. Other than that all ok. Definitely feelin the strength from the TRN, as for the Havoc don't know what its doin really except maybe the lethargy and dryness. Seen that 30mg is sweet spot for havoc/epistane, some say run up to 50mg, don't know about that. If I go 6mg TRN (afraid of sides), I'll drop havoc down to 20mg.
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    Day 35

    Did 45 min Cardio today, off day.

    Dosing: Havoc 20mg/DHEA 100mg/Mega TRN 6mg.

    Yesterday:

    Pre-wkout Stims:

    Amp: 4
    RPM: 6
    X-force: 2
    Taurine: 8g
    Di-Arginine Malate: 6g
    2 cups orange juice

    Smith Squats (yeah, I use the ***** pad, *****):

    90 x 10
    140 x 8
    180 x 8
    230 x 8
    250 x 8
    270 x 8 x 2
    180 x 8
    90 x 15

    Hamstring curl machine:

    machine max x 8 x 4

    Calf raise machine:

    machine max x 30
    " x 40
    " x 50
    " x 60

    Tri cable pushdowns:

    110 x 8
    120 x 8
    130 x 8 x 2

    Pec/fly machine:

    machine max x 8
    " + 50lbs plate x 8
    " + 60lbs plate x 8 x 2

    Btn shldr press machine:

    140 x 8
    150 x 8
    160 x 8
    170 x 8
    180 x 6

    Was gonna do some db shldr presses but didn't get around to it. The TRN is causing some pretty consistent insomnia, resorting to some valium/xanax/seroquel couple of brews to knock me out. Don't like doing that but.... Didn't sleep at all last night.

    I may run for 7 wks, that would be TRN @ 4 wks. Don't wanna run the TRN longer than 4 wks. I'm debating bumping TRN up to 8mg last wk. Is it worth it? As far as strength/sides calculation? I haven't seen any logs running it to 8mg.

    No gyno, I think the Havoc maybe helps in keeping the TRN under control in that regard. My nips do seem kinda cute
    sometimes, little distended. No gyno no lumps tho.

    Weight: +10-15lbs (varies alot but 10 solid, eating @ maint)
    BF%: 16% (this is dropping slowly )

    So far, mirror says recomp is goin good. Do have water weight bloat, waist is "fat."
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    Day 39

    Dosing: Havoc 30mg/DHEA 150mg/Mega TRN 8mg

    Pre-wkout Stims:

    RPM: 6 (not impressed, 1 hr before wkout empty stomach)
    X-force: 3 (1/2 thru wkout, good energy, bad cotton mouth)

    Smith squats:

    90 x 10
    140 x 8
    180 x 8
    230 x 8
    280 x 8
    300 x 8
    320 x 8 x 2
    230 x 8
    180 x 8
    90 x 20

    Btn shldr press machine:

    140 x 8
    160 x 8
    180 x 8
    190 x 6

    Pec/fly machine:

    machine max x 8
    " + 50lbs x 8
    " + 60lbs x 8
    " + 70lbs x 8
    " + 80lbs x 8

    Lat pulldowns btn:

    180 x 8
    210 x 8
    220 x 8
    230 x 8
    240 x 5 x 2

    Tri pushdowns:

    110 x 8
    120 x 8
    130 x 8
    140 x 6 x 2 (bad left elbow)

    Close grip pulldowns:

    180 x 8
    200 x 8
    220 x 8 x 2
    240 x 6 x 2 (bad left elbow)

    T-bar rows:

    135 x 8 x 4

    This was 1st day TRN @ 8mg. Might drop Havoc down again to 20mg if BP bad. Not sure whether I'll go 6 or 7 wks yet. TRN causes pretty bad insomnia. Lethargy still bad everything takes x 5 longer to do. I'm not doin as much as I'd like at gym cause of lethargy/slowness, LOL. Libido up on TRN, the Havoc is hell on joints so I"m icing my joints after wkouts.
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    Day 41

    Dosing: Havoc 30mg/DHEA 150mg/Mega TRN 8mg

    Weight: +12lbs
    BF%: 15%

    Cals: 3000-3400 ~ maintenance

    Pre-wkout Stims:

    RPM: 5 1hr before wkout
    Arginine: 3g 10 min before wkout
    X-force: 4 1hr into wkout

    Leg press:

    540 x 8 x 1
    630 x 8 x 1
    720 x 6 x 3
    630 x 10 x 1
    540 x 12 x 1

    Sitting calf raise:

    270 x 15 x 2
    295 x 15 x 3

    BB flat bench:

    230 x 8 x 1
    240 x 8 x 1
    250 x 6 x 3

    BB decline bench:

    180 x 8 x 1
    200 x 8 x 1
    220 x 6 x 2
    230 x 6 x 1

    DB flat bench:

    95 x 8 x 1
    100 x 8 x 3

    Sitdown smith military:

    140 x 8 x 2
    160 x 8 x 2

    DB shldr press:

    45 x 8 x 1
    50 x 8 x 1
    55 x 8 x 2
    60 x 4 x 2

    btn shldr press machine:

    140 x 8 x 1
    160 x 8 x 1
    180 x 8 x 1
    190 x 8 x 1
    200 x 6 x 1

    shldr press machine #2:

    270 x 8 x 1
    320 x 6 x 3

    Comments: Sleep getting little better but still using sleep aids. TRN caused back acne pretty bad. No bad "aggression." Lethargy still bad but pushing thru it, just kinda takes twice as long or x 3 or x 4 or x 5 to do anything. Joints sore, ice, heat, ice, heat, cissus, glucosomine/chondroitin, celedrin, Poseiden. Libido slowing but still there. Nuts about 2/3 normal, mushy kinda (MACA, man, MACA). TRN givin some serious strenght gains just don't think Havoc is best thing to go w/ it. Prostan/Mega Zol/Winztrol the "winny" orals I think might be best w/ it. When I ran Prostan wasn't near as dry as Havoc, and had elevated mood thru out. I like the TRN alot but the insomnia is really bad, be good to have a "feel good" to go w/ it, like Pheraplex, Prostan (felt good on it, joints not too bad and I got BAD joints, arthritis), good to find somethin to offset the insomnia/lethargy altho Havoc might be causin most my lethargy.

    Anyways got some stuff comin, lookin for the Reset AD, so I think I'll go a 7-weeker on this, push thru. 7 wks I start to wear....

    Ran out of Cycle Support so picked up some Hawthorne, Celery, etc at Vitamin Cottage.......
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