[Werewolf]

Originally Posted by charger71

no headache or lethargy today, but just like every spring my freakin allergies have lead to a cold and my tonsils are swollen as all hell. im taking a lot of vitamin C and anti oxidents so hopefully this will pass soon. ever since i stopped methoxy tst my pumps have really gone down, im really starting to think that phera bol is a crappy clone. i got the bad batch of epistane so as soon as ibe sends me the replacement im just gonna switch over to that, im not gonna run both during week 4, just epistane.

btw i ran ergomax lmg 20, 20, 30, 30 with no sides and great strength gains, since phera plex is suppose to be a cleaner version of ergomax i assumed ide see the same gains, or better....guess i was wrong.

Ergomax is wetter compound meaning more estrogen is produced. This makes it more suppressive than Phera-plex, but the bulk it produces increases strength.

When you mixed Phera-plex with high doses of M-TST you created a very suppressive combination and eliminated Phera-plex advantage over Ergomax. That advantage is low suppression.

Going to Eptistane is very good idea and will tend reverse some of the suppression. The sooner the better.

Going to 20 mgs of Phera-plex split 12 hours apart and 2 to 4 mgs of M-TST before your workout will probably get more the effect you are looking for in the short term.

If you are feeling sick then 50 mgs to 100 mgs of DHEA will raise your estrogen up and with it your white blood cell count. As always beware of any signs Gyno since you raising estrogen up. It is not clear what M-TST does to estrogen levels, but it likely to raise them. Because your testosterone levels are likely suppressed then estrogen level will also likely be suppressed also.

[charger71]

the weird thing is i dont feel shut down at all, my balls are actually bigger then normal. the only other time ive felt like this was when i was on hyperdrol. definitely didnt expect a ph to do this to me.

[charger71]

ok, im DOWN 1 pound since i stopped tst....what are the odds that pherabol is bunk? i dont want to give up on it yet, but i dont feel on anymore and im almost certain that all my gains came from tst.

[poopypants]

maybe man, maybe you should run only the TST and at a reasonable dose.

[charger71]

the first give away is that im not shut down at all, my boys are hangin better then ever. it feels like im taking a test booster. man this pisses me off, i was really excited to try phera plex.

[poopypants]

that is till the epi rolls in, but how long is it suppod to be before you get your replacement???

[charger71]

well i have the "bad batch" which is really the same thing as havoc. the real epistane should be here by friday, or at least thats what ibe said. i guess i could start the epistane i have and switch over when the replacement gets here, couldnt hurt. or i could start propadrol....it isnt methylated so it wont be too hard on the liver.

[pistonpump]

interesting thread to say the least. where to start where to start.....?

[charger71]

Originally Posted by pistonpump

interesting thread to say the least. where to start where to start.....?

i feel another lecture coming on...

i guess its very possible that i could be a non responder to phera plex, if thats the case then methoxy tst is responsible for for 5 pounds in 2 weeks and thats more then i expected from it....

im gonna run pherabol solo until monday, right about now is when phera plex is suppose to really kick in so if i make no gains in the next 5 days then either its bunk or im a non responder.

[poopypants]

if you keep switching and switching though man your not gonna do much of anything but waste supps... id stick it out with the phera and see if it plays out man, you never know unless you stick with it...... also youve allready finished 1/4 of a phera cycle so might as well hold on till the end then IF you decide to do anything else id suggest just stickin to the epi to wrap things up.... dunno how good it is to run that long of mthyls though.

[charger71]

yeah im still doing phera/epistane, will finish up phera this week, may or may not run 10mg with epistane the first week, depends on if i make any gains by monday.

[charger71]

in my 3rd week of epistane solo and i feel great with great pumps and strength going up every day, i guess phera-plex just didnt do it for me. but i am LOVING epistane, i feel "on" in terms of strength and the way i look in the mirror, but i also feel great! superdrol and ergomax and even the phera plex just gave me a feeling like i could be better haha. still having bad allergies but its much easier to deal with while on epistane.

btw before i started epi i lost another pound while on phera, i think i got down to 192ish, now im back up to 196 and still have 2 weeks left. this is while BULKING on phera and CUTTING on epistane, seems kind of backwards doesnt it? but i cant dis the phera-bol, i got side effects so im assuming it was the real deal and i just didnt respond.

whoever has taken epistane, do you agree that this is the best feeling ph youve ever taken?

[poopypants]

id have to say it WAS great, BUT aside from the sleepiness(most likely form the prostan i was taking at the same time) Phera-Plex from AX (the ORIGINAL) was the best "feeling" ive ever had... Epi is VERY close behind though and the fact that it destroyeed my gyno along the way and ALL my gains were not just retained but able to be improved upon during PCT i definately have to put Epi at the top of my list for overall bet PH/PS ever taken.

[charger71]

i wish i responded to phera-plex as well as most people rave about but i think within the next year there are gonna be a lot of awesome new products i can look forward to.....epistane, prodadrol and 3-ad may just be the start of a lot of great new products.

[charger71]

198 no fat gain