Curt2go's cycle thread....

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  1. Well I started last night finally. I got 7g 4-ad and 7g nor in 1 bottle. That will last 2 weeks. It will be 500mg of each/day....

    I have gained some bf since the end of the last cycle. I would think I am 12-13% now. But who cares right.. Its bulking season... hehehehe

    Started weigh in today. This mornig naked I was 183.... I took a pic but It did not turn out.. So I will keep weight and strength progress. My brother is also doing the same cycle...

    I am going to make it to 200lbs. Just wait for it... Talk to ya  
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  2. I will get measurements tonight.. talk to ya..
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  3. Good job bro.... Keep us updated...

  4. No flame, but sh!t man you should of put some more time in all natural, before you started any ph.

  5. Your not talking about me right? Talk to ya
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  6. Well I had to shave the tops of my legs. When putting on 17mls of gel the DMSO eats the skin if you put it in the same spot. I took it for 4 days but that was it. i had to shave th legs last night. i have to give my arms and chest a rest. I was getting a rash and it hurt... As far as the weight haven't gained anything yet but I am getting 2 new stretch marks. Under my front delt by armpit... Well there you go .. Talk to ya...
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  7. Yeah i was talking about you. If thats you in the pics?

  8. Yeah i was talking about you

    Hahah



    Can't wait to see the resonses on this.

  9. Being that i am an ectomorph I find it very hard to gain weight. i have been weightlifting for about 4.5 years now. I've been using ph's and AAS since year 2. My nutrition has not always been perfect but being and ecto I can prtty much eat anything anyways. I have always goot lots of protien. With my body if I drop my cals for a week I could loose about 5lbs.. So for you to say just becasue i am small that i should not be using Ph's is pretty much your opinion and you have the right to it.. Thanx for the genuine concern about my body but as far as I'm concerned being 6'0 going from 145lbs(fully clothed with full stomach)(heheheh)) to 183 naked in the moernign is pretty good in my books.. I am not out to do comps or anything just want to look good for summers and feel good about myself... SO Talk to ya
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  10. Originally posted by pjorstad



    Hahah



    Can't wait to see the resonses on this.
    Lose the stupid attitude... Talk to ya... 
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  11. Hey MA$$ I would like to hear some critique from you on how I may better myself . I am always looking to improve and always take constructive critisism well. Talk to ya..
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  12. Again i'm not trying to be an ass, but looking at your pics i thought you were new to lifting. But if you have put 4.5 years in then i think your ready for some ph. So good luck and i hope you keep on gaining.

    Oh for any tips, i think you should look into training using max-ot and also eat a ton, clean or not so clean. Just get in a ton of cal. and protein.

  13. Curt - I was very ectomorphic when I started lifting. I eventually figured it out - I had to eat like a horse!
    At my best (around 189lb, 8-9% BF) I was eating 5-6000 calories per day. (was in early twenties) This was a major pain, as I'm not a big eater.

    I also had to consume more fat than I actually wanted to - it wasn't until I did this that I had a big increase in energy. At the time was completely natural - supplements were: Tryphtophan, Ornithine, Tyrosine(If I remember correctly), Multi vit and minerals, liver tabs, B6, B3(sometimes - as vasodilator), Multipower protein powder. Rest of diet was the usual saintly stuff, with the exception of specifically added fat - I'd fry eggs etc.

    You're looking good there - ectomorphs do have problems with packing it on, but I know you'll do it.
    You're in the right age bracket for bulking it now - keep it up

  14. Sorry curt. Im an ectomorph too so i understand. Thats why im allowed to laugh at what he said, because its true for me and you! You look better then me right now though so no flame




    Im extremeley bottom heavy so ive been laying off the legs lately. IVe noticed my metabolism has gone down a bit due to this. Im starting to think that as an ectomorph its better to be slightly topheavy then evenly proportioned or bottom heavy as a huge lower body means you have to be very muscular to have a decent upper body which means your metabolism is gonna be off the rockers. I don't know its just an idea curt what do you think?

  15. Originally posted by pjorstad

    Im extremeley bottom heavy so ive been laying off the legs lately. IVe noticed my metabolism has gone down a bit due to this.
    laying off as in skipping leg workouts altogether? or laying off as referring to decreased training volume/weighty? looking good btw Curt, real nice for 6ft ecto. hope your cycles and gains keep progressin'!

  16. Well ive gone 4 weeks without working them and im only gonna work them once next week and then go another 4 weeks without them during my cycle.


    I just believe that for an ectomorph as you start packing on too many muscle pounds(lower body will really do this) it can kill your overall gains because you can't even keep up with the calories to supply your whole body or your metabolism is so fast you can only maintain.

  17. Originally posted by MA$$BUILDER

    Just get in a ton of cal.
    1 ton of calories would be 7,000,000 calories a day. I think that would be over eating a bit.

  18. No sh!t yellowjacket. Yeah i didnt actually mean a ton.

    Being an ecto is bad but, if an ecto eats alot and trains right they should have no problems adding size. Adding size doesnt come easy but if one is head strong a pushes on then they will grow.

    Also curt, how is your training?

  19. Being an ecto is bad but, if an ecto eats alot and trains right they should have no problems adding size. Adding size doesnt come easy but if one is head strong a pushes on then they will grow.


    Yes but there comes a time when its unreasonable to ask a person to eat a lot of calories just to gain weight because they have enough muscle mass for THEIR PARTICULAR metabolism that their metabolism is too high too keep up. Some extreme ectomorphs( there is different degrees) need over 30 times their bodyweight just to gain ANY weight. That means if you are 190 lbs and relatively lean your pushing 6000 calories just to gain any weight naturally if your an extreme hardgainer. Im glad you have the dedication to eat 4000 calories+ on a regular basis week after week and even after a small break to continue back on just to maintain and/or gain weight, not all of us can do that Usually its a nuisance enough to keep weight steady. If we take a break off training we take a BIG backtrack and we have to go full force again just to pick up where we left off at.

  20. Originally posted by pjorstad
    Well ive gone 4 weeks without working them and im only gonna work them once next week and then go another 4 weeks without them during my cycle.


    I just believe that for an ectomorph as you start packing on too many muscle pounds(lower body will really do this) it can kill your overall gains because you can't even keep up with the calories to supply your whole body or your metabolism is so fast you can only maintain.
    One leg workout a month eh... while on cycle you say? Because you don't want to gain muscle pounds too fast? And because it's hard to eat enough calories once you gain said muscle? Why bother cycling at all since you don't want to gain muscle or increase cal consumption? I guess I'm missing the boat completely, I thought it was good to train both halves of your body... it's known that increase muscle = increase metabolism, but isn't that what you want?! It happens regardless, and it's not hard to eat lots of quality cals anyway, is it? I'm not really sure what you're trying to say here... limit lower half of your body work, so that you don't gain muscle too fast (while on cycle) and don't have to eat more calories to keep up with muscle gain... yeah, I repeated it and still don't understand...

  21. Actually i won't be working legs at all during cycle. Im just doing legs once before cycle to keep them from getting rust so i can use them post cycle to get my test production up again. After 3 weeks post cycle ill probably get rid of them again.


    Anyways this is how i feel. My calves are very big, my ass is very big, my thighs are average but i don't care about them too much so why put muscle on my legs when i got a lagging upper body? All its gonna do is make my metabolism when im natural so high im gonna have a harder time just maintiaining and then i won't accomplish anything. Im willing to sacrifice my stupid ass lower body a signficant degree( i can afford to anyways) to the point of making me very slightly topheavy if it means my overall metabolism will be lower as to allow better upper body gains.

  22. pjorstad, do legs. It sounds like you need to learn how to train before you do any ph. Not doing legs is stupid and i cant believe you think its ok not to do legs. You say your calves are good but your thighs arent that great, but you dont really care. Come on and do things right, you need to really look at your training and eating, becuase it sound like you are clueless to both.

  23. Originally posted by MA$$BUILDER
    pjorstad, do legs. It sounds like you need to learn how to train before you do any ph. Not doing legs is stupid and i cant believe you think its ok not to do legs. You say your calves are good but your thighs arent that great, but you dont really care. Come on and do things right, you need to really look at your training and eating, becuase it sound like you are clueless to both.
    Yes. PJ, what are your stats and why would you find it so hard to maintain? PM me if you like, now that we've hijacked Curt's cycle thread. I just don't understand your train of thought on this whole deal.

  24. Yah i thought training legs was smart too until i realized my metabolism has gone down a ton and now i can put on fat with hardly any effort! Thats a good thing for me because as an ecto i can barely put on any weight so when im putting on fat that means my metabolism is slower and it should be without leg workouts.


    I AM NOT GONNA work legs if my ass and calves are too big for my rest of my body. My thighs are are at least average so when you factor in my big ass and calves there is no way in hell im doing any leg work. That is dumb. As i said before anyways id rather be topheavy slightly because i care more about my upper body and with a fast metabolism lower body mass is just slowing my progress.

    WEll ill throw in some leg workout postcycle and thats it UNTIL i pack on a bout 20+ lbs to become slightly topheavy.

  25. pjorstad, i cant believe your way of training and thought, but hey do what you want. To me you sound very misinformed about training and nutrition. You need to learn to eat and train right. Eat clean as possible and train heavy and hard and you will grow.
    Also dont train too much. Maybe cut back on you sets and see what happens. But most of all eat and eat some more and dont be a little ***** and say you cant eat enough.
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