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    Date: 03/02/07, Friday (Day 47)

    Body Weight:
    Starting Weight: 170.0lbs (Morning Weigh)
    Current Weight: 187.0lbs (Morning Weigh)
    Total Weight Change (+/-): +187.0lbs
    Weight Change from Previous Weigh In (+/-): +7.0lbs (up from 180.0lbs)
    BF% Unknown (round 13%-14%)

    Measurments (Left - Right):

    Neck:......................... ....16.0" ................... +0.75"
    Chest:........................ ....41.5" ................... +1.5"
    Arms:......................... ....16.25" - 16.5" ....... +0.75" + 0.75"
    Forarms:...................... ...13.0" - 13.0" ......... +0.75" + 0.75"
    Wrist:........................ .....7.0" - 7.0" ........... +0.25" + 0.25"
    Hips/Waist:....................33.0 " .................... 0.0"
    Upper Thigh:...................23.75 " - 23.75" ........-0.25" + 0.75"
    Lower Thigh:...................20.5" - 20.0" .......... +0.5" + 1.5"
    Calves:....................... ...16.25" - 16.0" ......... +0.5" + 0.5"

    Suppliments:
    - Test E @ 750mg/wk
    - Deca @ 400mg/wk
    - IGF @ 60mcg, 4x wk (30mcg, bilaterially - on WO days only)
    - T3 @ 50mcg ED (25mcg 2x ED)
    - Letrozol @ 1.25mg EOD
    - Kynoselen @ 1-2ml, 4x wk (used to cut IGF)
    - Lipo-U Dermal 2x ED (6 pumps an application)

    Starting MONDAY:
    - Lutalyse (PGF2A) IM & Sub-Q Experimentation

    Other Suppliments:
    - Multi Vitamin
    - Vitamin B12
    - Vitamin E
    - Vitamin C
    - Acidophilus
    - Milk Thistle
    - Cranberry
    - Taurine
    - Garlic
    - Fish Oil
    - Selenium
    - Pyruvate
    - CLA
    - Forskolin 20%
    - Pantothenic Acid (prevents acne)
    - Red Yeast Rice (lowers LDL, raises HDL)
    - Benadryl (sleep aid, nothing more)

    Trainging:
    I'm really digging this routine ... It worked great last time (helped me get to 209lbs) and its proving itself once again. I have some amazing numbers recorded (read on). Loads are just so so, but the strength increases are really starting to pick up. I'm also seeing improvements in my endurance (this could be due to the Kynoselen - it's known to increase muscle endurance and lessen fatigue (just about the only thing it's good for it seems)). So training is good ... hell its GREAT!

    Aside from the training, cardio has been completely absent from my routine; and it shows. I'm not seeing the BF loss I would like to be seeing. Again, my hectic schedule is to blame. Its hard being a full time student and father, yet allowing yourself two gym sessions a day (morning cardio and evening workouts). Choose your battles ... huh? I'll get it together though; I hope. Things are still going pretty well.

    I did get cardio in this morning; 30min walk/job at an incline. Tonight I'm working Back, Chest, Shoulders, Abs. I've been using the same loads the last few workouts, so I'll increase 10lbs to 15lbs on the larger muscles and 5lbs on the smaller ones. I've been doing this since day one, starting out with very light loads, which allows the muscle to adapt and grow (a little Haycock principle (HST)) even with these lighter loads. So far so good ...

    Diet:
    Diet hasn't been so good. I haven't been eating from my list of pre-planned meals I made for myself (I don't know if I mentioned the pre-planned meals I make ahead of time, food saver, and freeze for later - I have a weekly cook off). Part of the reason I've fallen off the wagon, so to speak, is because my appetite has gone through the fck'n roof. I'm putting everything I get my hands on in my belly. Its good because I'm getting in the calories I need, but it's not so good because some of these calories aren't always clean cals. Overall, I try to make the smarter decisions when it comes to food selection, but its a battle.

    I wanted to mention real quick that I have a huge problem with starbursts! lol!

    Personal Note:
    First, I just want to say WOW! The weight gains I've received over this last week are nuts. I've put on 7.0lbs since my last weigh in. My goal was to hit 185lbs by this next Monday. I've surpassed this goal by 2lbs and I did it 3 days earlier than expected. Although I'm not packing on noticeable BF, my current diet and the lack of cardio has helped me put on some weight; whether its good weight or not is yet to be determined. I think its safe to say that I would be putting on a lot more BF if I wasn't taking T3. My waist has increased, however, .5 inch; from 32.75" to 33.25". This could be water retention, though, from the Lipo-U and increased Test dose. My waist line isn't the only region to have increased in size ... My arms are up 1/4" inch (L16.25" and the R16.5"); a noticeable increase for sure. Again, I thank my diet and lack of cardio for these measurements; lol. I have no doubt that I need to tighten these areas of my cycle up, yes, but my current situation has certainly helped to fill me out. I'm growing at a fairly rapid rate right now. Muscle memory is obviously a factor, as is some water retention (despite the letro), and the 750mg of Test I'm taking a week (up from 500mg).

    Supp Commentary:
    T3 Still running 50mcg ED (25mcg 2x ED). Night sweets have dissipated, that's a good thing. I can't say the T3 has done much for my waist, however. I've already discussed the problem with that though (diet/cardio). As mentioned, the T3 is the only thing helping me stay lean right now. Once I get my diet back in check, I expect to see good things. T3 + anabolic steroids is a much better choice than T3 natty or without assistance (like my first run). That's a recommendation to anyone thinking about running T3 solo; don't.

    I've been told that low dose T3 can be anabolic due to the protein turn over rate. As far as I can tell, I'd say there might be some truth to this concept. Aside from the recent increase in calorie intake, I've increased my protein intake considerably as well. Its possible that this could be another contributing factor to the increases in measurements I've recorded. Speaking from past experience involving my T3 & anabolic steroids use, I wouldn't normally think T3 would aid in building muscle. That being said, however, the rate at which I have witnessed this increase is crazy. I mean in 7 days I've achieved 6lbs and 1/4inch on my arms, come on?? That's just not normal characteristics of steroid use from what I have experienced.

    Kynoselen For the record: it has been nothing but a waste of time ... enough said!

    Lipo-U/Clen & Lipo-U Dermal: I jumped back on Lipo-U/Clen combo. This could also be one reason for the .5inch increase around the waist; Lipo-U is known to make the user store water in the treated area. I'm almost out, though. I'll finish up Lipo/Clen by Monday where I will finish out the next week or two on regular Lipo-U. I love this stuff though; love it, love it, love it ...

    IGF I've been running IGF now for a few weeks; 60mcg bilaterally PWO only 4x a week. I'll be out by the end of the week. I have plans to get more and continue running it 1 month on/off for the next year. Overall, this experience has been great; different from previous uses because of the addition of anabolic steroids. I've run IGF along with Var, but never in a serious cycle this extensive. One aspect I enjoy (despite the fact it has no positive implications in terms of muscle growth) is the pumps. They pop up at the weirdest times; when performing the simplest of movements.

    Lutalyse: Its "IN!" I started Sub-q injections last night ... but the real experiment wont start until Monday; this is IM injections ever 3-4hrs. Last nights injections proved this stuff is no joke. Within the first 20min after sub-q injections, soreness around the injection sites, a tightening in the chest and abdominal cramping was noted. No purging ensued, but there was a bowl movement; the urge was not anything like described by others -- I was not in danger of suddenly ****ting my pants. Iol! I'm excited to get started.

    That's it for now ... check out those numbers again ... WOW,
    Sprt

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    Quote Originally Posted by SprtNvolcoM View Post
    This is rumored, yes, but its my belief that its more myth than a proven fact. There is very little research on humans to say DNP is anti-catabolic. While The majority of my loss during my last cycle was BF, I did lose LBM as well.
    This is incorrect. It's not just a myth. I also wonder what research you think you're referring to. The human research isn't even available online. Did you actually find a library that has it, or were you just guessing? Because the research has shown that DNP is protein sparing. LBM losses on DNP are minimal. Weight loss, at least in overweight individuals, is essentially all from fat. Of course, LBM losses are more likely as you get leaner, but DNP has protein sparing effects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SprtNvolcoM View Post
    Ya D's the man ... I have some of his older caps though (the blue and white caps). They were dosed at 200mg/cap back when I bought them. I know he's upped the dose since then to 250mg/cap; which is better considering its crystal form.

    Sprt
    It's speculation on my part, but I don't think D actually changed the dose of DNP in his caps. I think he announced an increase just as a marketing move. It was in response to publicity around the fact that crystal DNP is 75% DNP by weight, since 25% is just salt. People I've talked to who have used both have told me they notice no difference. I realize this is a really subjective thing, though, so take it with a grain of salt... the sodium salt of DNP
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    Just wanted to say that overall, you have a really good log with great detail. Don't take my critiques too personally Looks like you're making some nice progress. Keep up the good work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conciliator View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sprt
    This is rumored, yes, but its my belief that its more myth than a proven fact. There is very little research on humans to say DNP is anti-catabolic. While The majority of my loss during my last cycle was BF, I did lose LBM as well.
    This is incorrect. It's not just a myth. I also wonder what research you think you're referring to. The human research isn't even available online. Did you actually find a library that has it, or were you just guessing? Because the research has shown that DNP is protein sparing. LBM losses on DNP are minimal. Weight loss, at least in overweight individuals, is essentially all from fat. Of course, LBM losses are more likely as you get leaner, but DNP has protein sparing effects.
    I wasn't actually referring to any specific piece of research, but rather simply making an assumption. To know my knowledge, my knowledge, there is little literature regarding DNP and human subjects. I could b wrong (I probably am). I've never read a study which states DNP is catabolic, nor have I read any studies stating DNP is anti-catabolic. I did, however, lose LBM while using DNP. This is the basis for my assumption; my experience.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conciliator View Post
    It's speculation on my part, but I don't think D actually changed the dose of DNP in his caps. I think he announced an increase just as a marketing move. It was in response to publicity around the fact that crystal DNP is 75% DNP by weight, since 25% is just salt. People I've talked to who have used both have told me they notice no difference. I realize this is a really subjective thing, though, so take it with a grain of salt... the sodium salt of DNP
    I think most might speculate as to whether or not D. actually increased his dose, but I was told he now sells 250mg caps instead of the former 200mg/cap. Until we get someone to actually test his newer batches, we will never know. I wouldn't assume he is lying though. D., from what I know about the guy (I've had numerous dealings with him), is a pretty genuine character. He only sells this one product. I honestly can see him putting his reputation on the line over an extra 50mg per cap. It just wouldn't make sense; especially since it is very easy to have products tested these days.

    I guess we both see what making assumptions/speculations does for us ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Conciliator View Post
    Just wanted to say that overall, you have a really good log with great detail. Don't take my critiques too personally Looks like you're making some nice progress. Keep up the good work.

    -Conc
    Thank you ...

    I try to be as detailed as possible, but I can only post so much before I loose my audience or the information presented become so repetitive people refuse to read it. I hope you stick around, though. I'd be interested to see where you stand on certain issues pertaining to my log.

    For instance ... here is a discussion I'm having at IBE regarding DNP and its effectiveness when mixed with other compounds/peptides/ect. I'd like to get your take on what's been said thus far ... excuse the length.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mattris(on IBE)
    Never tried PGF2a w/ DNP, but I've used PGF2 w/ insulin (and GH, but while off gear), and on another occasion DNP and insulin. (also while off gear). IMO, not worth it.

    Niether combo is as effective as one might imagine. And the sides........forget about it bro. PGF2 makes you go hypo from the insulin much easier than you would w/ insulin alone. And Insulin w/ DNP is the most dangerous combo of bodybuilding related drugs I can think of. [...]

    I would speculate that PGF2a IM would not noticeably counteract the "flattening out" effect of high dose DNP. The insulin theory made alot more sense for that ON PAPER. As the majority of the flattening effect from DNP is glycogen depletion related and not totally due to true muscle atrophy. Theoretically the insulin could drive more amino's and glycogen in the muscle. .......... But it just turns out that doing that defeats the purpose of taking DNP to begin with.
    Quote Originally Posted by scull
    ^^^ not realy sure what you mean. if you keep your muscle and just lose the fat that would be perfect---so in that case it would also be counter productive to take AS while on DNP ?wheras the AS is trying to make more ATP and DNP is trying to break down?
    Quote Originally Posted by SprtNvolcoM00
    This is understandable ... Var would seem very counter productive in this case. I also stopped seeing results from DNP as soon as I started anabolic steroids as well.
    Quote Originally Posted by scull
    well,this might be bad news for me, because I was mostly interested in fat loss with DNP. It just so happened I was in the middle of an EPI cycle [20mg/5x week-not a lot]. lookng at the chem makeup of EPI andro/anabolic 90%/1100% and anavar 25%/500% but anavar mostly known for ATP production. I cant believe that 20mg of EPI will counter 500mg of DNP--but I am having great WO--Maybe its the AP [anabolic pump]? dont get me wrong I am feeing very warm all day and I can tell my matabolism is speeding up.
    Quote Originally Posted by SprtNvolcoM00
    I'd like to see a bit more evidence before we completely right off anabolic steroids and DNP combo. Although it seems logical on paper, it might not really be the case. On the other hand, we cant really argue against DNP/Var being counter production. Each one does opposite the others actions. Hmmmm ...

    This is a little disappointing seeing how I just picked up more DNP. I'm going to need to schedule out a way to run it without totally wasting my time. Maybe post cycle therapy since I'll be coming off T3 at that time ... it could help prevent rebound (& I will rebound, always do). Then again, I'll be running IGF during post cycle therapy too ... what was said about IGF/DNP? I'm going to do some digging and see what the hell I can come up with.
    Quote Originally Posted by scull
    thread going off title topic -- but I just remembered that in the art by darkham he says that the right dose of DNP can actualy be anabolic -- and that got me thinking about the action of AAS with DNP where as the heat from DNP comes from the body constantly trying to make ATP while DNP stops the process and turns it into heat -- so if anything the AAS [even anavar] would just intensify the process [more fat loss?] and maybe save a little muscle? -- Dont think DNP/IGF combo would work -- the DNP would eat up the IGF
    This very last post confuses the original concerns. I never got around to talking about it, but I believe skull got mixed up when writing this post. As mentioned, it would appear to me, at least, that Var would completely hinder the actions of DNP or visa versa; which ever compound was more aggressive. Do you get what I'm saying?

    What are your thoughts on DNP while on A.A.S.?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SprtNvolcoM View Post
    I wasn't actually referring to any specific piece of research, but rather simply making an assumption. To know my knowledge, my knowledge, there is little literature regarding DNP and human subjects. I could b wrong (I probably am). I've never read a study which states DNP is catabolic, nor have I read any studies stating DNP is anti-catabolic. I did, however, lose LBM while using DNP. This is the basis for my assumption; my experience.
    My point is that it's probably best not to make references to the extent of the human research if you haven't seen any of it. It's one thing to say "I'm not aware of research on humans..." It's quite another thing to say "There is very little research on humans...", which is what you said.
    Quote Originally Posted by SprtNvolcoM View Post
    I think most might speculate as to whether or not D. actually increased his dose, but I was told he now sells 250mg caps instead of the former 200mg/cap. Until we get someone to actually test his newer batches, we will never know. I wouldn't assume he is lying though. D., from what I know about the guy (I've had numerous dealings with him), is a pretty genuine character. He only sells this one product. I honestly can see him putting his reputation on the line over an extra 50mg per cap. It just wouldn't make sense; especially since it is very easy to have products tested these days.
    In my last post I mentioned people who have tried both batches.

    I think D is a nice guy, but I question some of the things he says. A perfect example is an amusing PM someone sent me earlier today. This person wanted to let me know that he had asked D how much of his DNP was actual DNP and how much was salt. As we know, crystal DNP is 75% DNP (by weight) and 25% salt. Well D responded and told him that the caps are 250 mg each and that the salt content is "negligible". He said that in two caps, you'd have 500mg of DNP and that the amount of salt would be a few negligible milligrams. Now, he's either a moron and forgot why he announced that he'd increase the dosage of his product from 200mg to 250mg (which I doubt), or he's willing to mislead his customers. From the dialog this person sent me, I'd put my money on the latter. I don't doubt that D has a good product (which I recommend to people all the time), but I do believe he's not always straightforward.
    Quote Originally Posted by SprtNvolcoM View Post
    For instance ... here is a discussion I'm having at IBE regarding DNP and its effectiveness when mixed with other compounds/peptides/ect. I'd like to get your take on what's been said thus far ... excuse the length.

    This very last post confuses the original concerns. I never got around to talking about it, but I believe skull got mixed up when writing this post. As mentioned, it would appear to me, at least, that Var would completely hinder the actions of DNP or visa versa; which ever compound was more aggressive. Do you get what I'm saying?

    What are your thoughts on DNP while on A.A.S.?
    Sprt
    I think you guys have gotten two ideas mixed up. Energy production and anabolism are two different things. A.A.S. are anabolic, while DNP makes energy production less efficient. A.A.S. will oppose muscle catabolism, but they won't affect the efficiency of energy production. Now they can still have an effect on energy production by allowing for energy to be made faster (e.g. increasing glycogen levels for aerobic respiration), but this has to do with substrate availability, not an effect on efficiency. What this means is that more energy (e.g. fat) will be burned overall. A.A.S. will not oppose DNP's effect at increasing BMR. What they would be expected to do, however, is reduce protein losses. However, given the fact that DNP is pretty anti-catabolic as it is, I think it makes more sense to run them separately. Take DNP (and possibly clen or EC) when cutting and take anabolic steroids when bulking. It's not going to hurt to take them together, although DNP will limit anabolism.
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    Date: 03/12/07, Monday (Day 57)

    Body Weight:
    Starting Weight: 170.0lbs (Morning Weigh)
    Current Weight: 190.0lbs (Morning Weigh)
    Total Weight Change (+/-): +20.0lbs
    Weight Change from Previous Weigh In (+/-): +3.0lbs
    BF% Unknown (round 13%-14%)

    Suppliments (injects, orals, dermals):
    - Test E @ 750mg/wk
    - Deca @ 400mg/wk
    - Lutalyse (PGF2A) @ 13.5mg 5x ED (2.7mg (60iu) 5x ED -- IM injections)

    - T3 @ 50mcg ED (25mcg 2x ED)
    - Letrozol @ 1.25mg EOD

    Other Suppliments:
    - Multi Vitamin
    - Vitamin B12
    - Vitamin E
    - Vitamin C
    - Acidophilus
    - Milk Thistle
    - Cranberry
    - Taurine
    - Garlic
    - Fish Oil
    - Selenium
    - Pyruvate
    - CLA
    - Forskolin 20%
    - Pantothenic Acid (prevents acne)
    - Red Yeast Rice (lowers LDL, raises HDL)
    - Benadryl (sleep aid, nothing more)

    Trainging:
    I've been sick this past week. I tried to take advantage of it though. I took a week off from the gym. I'm starting to wonder, however, if this was a wise decision or not. Other than the break, nothing has really changed since I last updated in regard to my training.

    Diet:
    Due to this cold (or whatever is wrong with me) my diet has been very calorie deficient. I've been drinking a lot of liquids and supplementing my meals with slim fast and myoplex type meal replacements drinks.

    Oh, and I'm still stuck on starbursts ...

    Personal Note:
    Tipped the scale at 190.0lbs this morning, despite my current situation. There has been a lot of fluctuation in the numbers this week and I expected to be down, actually. I was sure this bug I caught and the lack of WOs would be an issue. All this along side my liquid diet I was sure to have lost this week ... not the case however. Strange? Cool, but strange ...

    I got my blood pressure tested, multiple times, this weekend (thanks to the local drug store). My average BP was 135/88 (prehypertention), which is usually where I sit anyway; A little high though, for sure. I'm looking into methods to lower my BP. I know my BP fluctuates a lot ... I can feel it. I get headaches and throbbing sensations in my temples and head quite often. I'm going in for more tests on the 31st; complete lipid panel (cholesterol, HDL, LDL, Tryglycerides). I don't know if this involves thyroid, but since I'm on T3 I would also like to have this looked at as well.

    Lastly, I have been noticing swelling in the feet; well I only witnessed this once (the other night actually. I wouldn't even have noticed it had my girlfriend not pointed it out). Strangely enough the swelling didn't spread past the top knuckles on my feet. It stayed primarily in the pads and toes. I have no idea what could have caused this.

    Other than this, all seems well ... emphasis on seems. I have an uneasy feeling that my overall health is suffering. I can't explain why I feel this way, I just do. I smoke, I juice, my diet is only so-so, and I've been known to play with rec drugs. I try to make the healthier choice and stay health conscious, but sometimes you just have to live. You know what I be talk'n bout? lol, anyway ... I will hopefully feel better once I get these tests done and receive the results.

    That said, I'm getting bigger. I'm not saying I'm huge because I'm not, but for my size/frame and after being in the previous state I was in for so long I have made some very good improvements. I've gotten a lot of positive comments recently from both friends and family. I went out for the first time in months last night (a BBQ) and saw a lot of old friends I haven't seen in a while. It felt good to walk in and here the whispers, and have the girls goo over my physic. My girlfriend didn't appreciate it much, lol (not a huge deal they where all her friends). She, my girlfriend, continues to claim she doesn't notice any size increases or such improvements because she sees me everyday. I have a feeling, now, that she does this to keep me grounded and my head deflated (even though I've never been one to let his ego get the best of him).

    Enough babble ...

    Supp Commentary:
    Real Quick, I have a few changes to note ...

    IGF, Kynoselen, & Lipo-U/Clen & Lipo-U Dermal: I've currently dropped IGF & Kynoselen (which was used to cut IGF) as well as the Lipo-U/Clen dermal. The IGF will be picked back up again in 1 month (on/off like this for the next year as previously mentioned). The Kyno's not even worth noting. Lastly, the Lipo-U (which I love) will be run again later. I have no exact time line. Sh*t works great, IMO. If I could only get Avant to lower the price or hook a brotha up with some discounts (hint-hint). I buy enough of the stuff, you think they would by now. lol, j/k (not really).

    Ratings: 1 to 10 (10 being fantabulious).
    IGF = 10 - Love it, love it, love it ...
    Kyno = 1 - Stupid waste of time ...
    Lipo/Clen = 9 - Seems to work very well for me.
    Lipo-U = 8 - I'm a Lipo-U Lifer!

    T3 50mcg ED (25mcg 2x ED) seems to be working fine for me. I'm keeping lean and continuing to lean out even more by the looks of things in the mirror. Unfortunately, I have no actual BF measurements to prove these assumptions ... Yet. I plan on having one of the trainer at my gym test my BF with manuel calipers. Hopefully I can find an experienced trainer who knows what he/she's doing. I also hope he/she will be up to perform this test a few times and take an average. I feel confident the T3 is working as I expect it is.

    Rating: 1 to 10 (10 being fantabulious), I give it a 8. I'm really liking this 50mcg dose.

    Lutalyse: I finally started lutalyse (PGF2a). I'm running 13.5mg ED (2.7mg (60iu) 5x ED) currently; I started out 2.5mg 3x ED. I'm uncertain as to how much I will be increasing the dose from here. At 60iu (2.7mg), sides are minimal; which seems to be my tolerance point. I've been told to keep increasing the dose every few days as the sides subside. I'll try to experiment with higher doses, but I've been at 60iu for a few days now and still noticing sides.

    It's strange because the sides greatly differ and seem dependent on the injected site (I'm injecting IM in the calves, quads, hams, bis, tris, delts (front and rear), traps and chest). For example, calve injections produce zero abdominal cramping, but the pain is much more significant. This is partly due to the activity calves endure; mainly walking and supporting my body weight most of the time. Conversely, bis produce almost zero pain, but I notice more abdominal discomfort. Soreness, in general, is not so much an issue as others have reported; soreness at/around the injection site lasts as little as 5min to 45min at best (again dependent on the injection site). Although bowl movements do occasionally follow injections, I have not yet experienced any of the horrible intestinal purging many report. Tightening of the chest is another common side I've experienced.

    I have noticed some leaning out affect, but its very hard to determine if lutalyse is the primary factor (I'm on aft loss supps as well as T3). I will say that I am a little disappointed in terms of lutalyse fat killing (as its said) properties. I've been on 10 days and I have not noticed anything super dramatic. That being said, I have been steadily gaining weight yet seemingly dropping BF. Tanita BF readings continue to drop and visibly my physic is much leaner than it has been previously. I'll remain using administering lutalyse via IM injections for another week or so. If nothing more significant is noticed in terms of fat loss, I will most likely switch to sub-q injections for my problem areas (lower abs & love handles) only. After all, I'm not taking lutalyse to help aid in muscle growth, but rather to rid myself of unwanted body fat. I say this because it appears that many users implement PGF2a for muscle growth lately; at least this is what I have been reading on several boards.

    Rating: 1 to 10 (10 being fantabulious), I give it a 5. I'm still a little iffy about it.

    Regards,
    Sprt
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    Any updates? I'm extremely curious to see how the pgf2a turns out for you. Love the log so far this is a monster cycle, I would love to try something along these lines but it seems pretty time consuming and very expensive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by friction515 View Post
    Any updates? I'm extremely curious to see how the pgf2a turns out for you. Love the log so far this is a monster cycle, I would love to try something along these lines but it seems pretty time consuming and very expensive.
    I'll be updating with pictures (I hope) tomorrow. I took new measurements this morning. I haven't gotten the chance to compare them to my last recorded measurements. I don't think I've made any note worthy progress.

    I just jumped back on the PGF2a again after being off for the last 2wks or so. I haven't really gotten the chance to witness results yet; this run should be a little different though (length, dose, ect).

    Lastly, the cycle itself isn't expensive at all ... I home brewed. Otherwise it would have put a fairly nice size dent in my pocket. Sups and other products I'm using, however, can be pretty expensive I guess. I haven't given much thought about it ... I'm going to have to check this out now. lol, thanks a lot buddy ... now I have to go investigate how much money I've blown. If you hadn't said anything it would have conveniently slipped my mind. lol, j/k

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    Date: 03/21/07, Wednesday (Day 66)

    Body Weight:
    Starting Weight: 170.0lbs (Morning Weigh)
    Current Weight: 188.0lbs (Morning Weigh)
    Total Weight Change (+/-): +18.0lbs
    Weight Change from Previous Weigh In (+/-): -2.0lbs
    BF% Unknown (round 13%-14%)

    Measurments (Left - Right):
    Neck:......................... ....16.25" ................... +0.25"
    Chest:........................ ....42.5" .................... +1.0"
    Arms:......................... ....16.25" - 16.25" ....... +0.75" -0.25"
    Forarms:...................... ...13.25" - 13.25" ......... +0.25" + 0.25"
    Wrist:........................ .....7.0" - 7.0" ............. +0.25" +0.25"
    Hips/Waist:....................33.0 " ...................... 0.0" (holding steady)
    Upper Thigh:...................24.0" - 23.5" ...........+0.25" -0.5"
    Lower Thigh:...................21.5" - 21.0" .......... +1.0" + 1.0"
    Calves:....................... ...16.0" - 16.0" .......... -0.25" +0.0"

    Suppliments (injects, orals, dermals):
    - Test E @ 750mg/wk
    - Deca @ 400mg/wk
    - Lutalyse (PGF2A) @ 13.5mg 5x ED (2.7mg (60iu) 5x ED -- IM injections)

    - T3 @ 50mcg ED (25mcg 2x ED)
    - Letrozol @ 1.25mg EOD

    Other Suppliments:
    - Multi Vitamin
    - Vitamin B12
    - Vitamin E
    - Vitamin C
    - Acidophilus
    - Milk Thistle
    - Cranberry
    - Taurine
    - Garlic
    - Fish Oil
    - Selenium
    - Pyruvate
    - CLA
    - Forskolin 20%
    - Pantothenic Acid (prevents acne)
    - Red Yeast Rice (lowers LDL, raises HDL)

    Trainging:
    Training this last week has been good when I find my way to the gym. I'm slacking though. I've kind of lost motivation and I haven't been sticking to my regularly planned workout schedule (2on/1off/2on/2off). It happens, & its probably a good thing; these extra days off allow me more time to rest and recover from previous beatings in weight room. I'll turn things around for sure ... I'm not worried about my current situation at all.

    My girlfriend has decided she wants to start going tot he gym again, which is exciting for me. I look forward to getting her in there and helping her tone things up. Not that she needs it really ... She is 5'4 maybe 5'5 100lbs to 105lbs (from 95lbs before the birth of our son); a skinny little thing. Since having our son, however, she has some problem areas (naturally). I figure a few months in the gym as well as a boob job and she'll be back to her former self (but better). I'm just thankful she's not the type of girl who will follow me around the gym whining, crying, and complaining about sh*t; "that hurts, I'm tired, this is boring." I cannot stand girls like that. She's danced & played sports since she was a little squirt. She knows the meaning of hard physical work. I'm confident she'll get'rrr done!

    Point of that babble ... I think we'll feed off each other's energy and motivate one another; which will inevitably improve the chance of my recovery from the slump I'm in. I workout by myself usually. Having someone there to push and encourage me, will be a nice change.

    Diet:
    Cold is gone! I squashed it with a barrage of vitamins and probiotics. Diet has improved (I'm eating again), and I'm feeling very well overall. After reading a post from another member regarding his slim fast habit, I performed a little experiment over the last 3 days. I went on a liquid diet to 1: help cleans myself out (I'm currently detoxing; using herbs, and a detox method which calls for fast, but instead opted for a liquid diet), 2: test this members theory that slim fast helped him lean out (he dropped "X" amount of weight, and BF%, ect - I don't recall numbers), and 3: I was genuinely curious to see how I would be effected by these advertised liquid slim fast diets. Now before you go jumping all over me about how much sugar slim fast has ect ect ... I didn't drink slim fast but instead an alternative brand by Kirkland that is low sugar high protein (found at Costco warehouses), and many of my drinks were protein shakes in either water or 1% Milk. Of course, as always, breakfast consisted of my famous (it is around my household anyway) breakfast shake; which can be found in greater detail in the link below ...

    My Breakfast Protein Shake:
    Protien Shake ... My specialty..
    For those that haven't checked this out already I'll ask you to click on this link now. I urge you to try this shake. On top of being full of vitamins and nutrients (as well as Omega's and poly/mono unsaturated fats), its a complete 32oz meal. It's absolutly delicious, and I've never heard anyone ever say anything different. Try it and let me know what you think.

    Starbursts are still a very huge vise of mine. I LOVE THEM!!

    Personal Note:
    I really don't have anything new to report ... I'm kind of stagnant right now. I seem to be holding steady around 188lbs and 190lbs for the last week or so. As mentioned, I haven't been going to the gym as regularly planned; Motivation is a huge factor in this. I just haven't been feeling it lately. No worries though ... I'm positive things will normalize. I just have a lot on my plate right now & I'm not a very good juggler.

    Measurements taken show some growth, but I did lose in a few measurements as well. I don't really know what to think about that. The numbers could be a product of a number of things (i.e., water weight, water loss, BF gain/loss, LBM gain/loss, ect). It's hard to say. Visually, I haven't seen any big differences the last few weeks; which should be expected, IMO, given my current stagnation.

    I wondered into GNC the other night; this is not some where I normally shop, but I was waiting for my girlfriend to pick out shoes and decided to peak in while I waited. As usual, they didn't have anything special and everything was over priced (I wonder sometimes how they stay open). Anyway, to my surprise they a few bottles of Skulpt (a topical spot reducer -- one I have never tried) on sale for 9.99 (down from 39.99). So I picked up a few bottles. I've been using it now for about a week; not really long enough to gage effectiveness. I don't know if anyone reading has tried it, but its some odd stuff ... it appears to have a dye in it which stains your skin a bronzy dark brown. I'll use the Skulpt for another week or so, or until I'm out. After that I'll jump on TargeX from VIPSUPs (I'm excited about this stuff ... I haven't heard anything but positive remarks about this product).

    I had planned to have pictures for this log, before, middle, and after, but I don't have any as of yet. I have taken some cheesy pictures with my cell phone, but they're worthless. It's probably best you guys don't view any pictures anyway ... I'm having a real bad problem with acne right now (despite all the sups and precautions I've taken). I'm almost too embarrassed to take my shirt off in public. I should start tanning or something; this always seems to help with breakouts.

    That's it for now ... if you have any questions don't hesitate to ask,
    Sprt
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    Date: 04/04/07, Wednesday (Day 80)

    Body Weight:
    Starting Weight: 170.0lbs (Morning Weigh)
    Current Weight: 190.0lbs (Morning Weigh)
    Total Weight Change (+/-): +20.0lbs
    Weight Change from Previous Weigh In (+/-): +2.0lbs
    BF% Unknown (round 13%-14%)

    Suppliments (injects, orals, dermals):
    - Test E @ 500mg/wk
    - Deca @ 400mg/wk

    - T3 @ 25mcg ED (25mcg 2x ED) Tapering off ...
    - Letrozol @ 1.25mg EOD

    Other Suppliments:
    - Multi Vitamin
    - Vitamin B12
    - Vitamin E
    - Vitamin C
    - Acidophilus
    - Milk Thistle
    - Cranberry
    - Taurine
    - Garlic
    - Fish Oil
    - Selenium
    - Pyruvate
    - CLA
    - Forskolin 20%
    - Pantothenic Acid (prevents acne)
    - Red Yeast Rice (lowers LDL, raises HDL)

    Personal Note:
    Where do I start ...
    Man oh man, this has been a rough few weeks. School started back up, YAY! That's not the rough part though. As disappointed as I am in myself, it's important that I admit it ... I relapsed a week or so ago (pain killers) after quite a long run at sobriety. Some of you might have read a post or comment of mine explaining my past battle with pain meds. It's not something I'm proud of and I'm positive many of you can relate. Some might feel this news is better left unsaid, and that's understandable; part of me feels this way as well. That being said, however, I also feel it should be discussed, or at least noted, since it is obviously a negative aspect effecting my current cycle.

    Although I have decided not to end my cycle, I have relaxed a bit and eased up a lot on my sup intake, diet, and training. Physically I'm fine. The relapse did not effect me physical being what so ever. The effects these pain meds have on me are purely mental; its the addictive aspect of the drugs that I have the hardest time with. After the relapse, when detoxing for instance, I was unable to stay focused or get motivated enough to perform the easiest of tasks. Simply not having the drugs left me clouded and unwilling to even get out of bed some days; I was seemingly crippled mentally. Long term drug use, as I was previously involved in (during my first battle), tends to make these drugs effect you a little different from they would rec users. It's a bit ridiculous sounding, I know, but to anyone who has never had a true addiction problem let me say "you are literally incapable of comprehending or understanding these concepts (or "side effects," if you will) of addiction." Not to belittle anyone, but I've tried many times to talk about my problems with people who have never delt first hand with opiate addiction and I hear the same things almost always ... "I don't understand -- just stop." I wish it was that easy. On the other hand, you sit down with a group of users and you will hear people answering each other sentences. It's a little odd, I agree, but one has to assume this is only normal. "Birds of a feather flock together" (or something like that); I'm sure you guys get what I'm saying.

    So I relapsed, I detoxed, and I believe I'm back on track now. Let me just say, though, that if anyone knows someone suffering from any kind of addiction and its strong enough that its effecting their way of life, consider it your responsibility to offer this person(s) help. It sometimes takes outside intervention to make the addicted realize. Remember, however, that they will only change if they want to make the change for themselves. Don't expect them to change for anyone else ... it just wont happen. They have to be truly ready, and a lot of folks are but just don't know where to turn for help. Enough about all that ...

    It's been a while since I've updated. I wish I had something else to report then my down fall. I don't really have anything to report since I've been out of the gym this last week & a half. I didn't drop any weight ... in fact, I gained 2lbs during this break (as I'll call it). I've dropped most of the sups I was taking -- most of the more over board sups like PGF2a for example. I never dropped the Test/Deca/Var though; like I said I didn't stop my cycle I just relaxed a bit.

    If anyone has any questions or suggestions concerning anything I've talked about in this update, please feel free contact me or throw a post out there. Good luck to anyone reading who might also be suffering from drug addiction. PM me if necessary ... I'd happy to try and offer any help or assistance I possibly could.

    My Heart & Prayers,
    Sprt
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    Ah sorry... it was 1% out of 100,000 in a study back from the 30's. I took this bit from GrumpSteelMans research article posted over at IBE's forum.

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    interesting log so far and great write ups!
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    Quote Originally Posted by hman85 View Post
    interesting log so far and great write ups!
    Much appreciated bro ...

    This thread is over 3 years old, but this is how I perfer to write up Logs when I do them. I wish I would have started a log on the PH cycle (my first PH cycle ever after a 2yr-3yr layof from the gym) I just started. I've made an amazing transformation thus far. It would have been great to log it, and detail my progress. It might not too late ... who knows??

    Thanks again though ... really,
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    Quote Originally Posted by SprtNvolcoM View Post
    Much appreciated bro ...

    This thread is over 3 years old, but this is how I perfer to write up Logs when I do them. I wish I would have started a log on the PH cycle (my first PH cycle ever after a 2yr-3yr layof from the gym) I just started. I've made an amazing transformation thus far. It would have been great to log it, and detail my progress. It might not too late ... who knows??

    Thanks again though ... really,
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