While I am experienced with 1test and 4ad, this is my first using cyclodextrin formulations of the two. I must say I enjoy both results and effects. I have been running this stack @ 250mg/500mg/12mg with good results. Minimal water gain, appreciable strength gains and an incredible amount of muscle fullness all make this one of my favorite stacks to date(all on a maint. intake of 40/40/20). Muscle fullness evident within first days and strength made a dramatic spike after 5-7. A major negative is attitude(temper/annoyance). Nothing has produced such a negative effect on my mood. For this reason, I will initiate operation PCT after only two wks. I dislike being an a**hole. Let me know thoughts or similiar experiences. I'm positive the cyclos are the quick-acting culprits.