PP/Fini Cycle Log of a Novice
- 03-15-2006, 12:08 AM
Another good day at the gym. Boob day and all weights were up. My tris and shoulders have really strengthened a lot in the last two weeks so my weights AND reps were all up by 20 or more. I did 185 on Incline and could have done 200 for 6-8 on my last set had I not been doing the pre exhaustion stuff. Thatís a LONG way from where I started. Dips suggestion of pre exhaustion for the chest has been working great. I can really feel the chest working in my sets and they just feel and look big when Iím done with my workout. I felt like I could have done boobs all day and not gotten tired at all. Still absolutely no bad sides and the Ďtightnessí Iíve felt occasionally hasnít been there the past few days. Nice. Day off tomorrow which is killing me since this is my last week. I may cheat and go anyway. Pretty much feeling like Superman right now and havenít even had Cuervo.
- 03-15-2006, 05:33 AM
Originally Posted by Smallone
To be honest, I felt better when I came off the PP. Don't get me wrong, PP made me feel very strong. But there was something in me, relief internally my body said "Jeez, It's about time, Thank you for ending that 4 week methyl assault on me" And the sooner you come off, the sooner you'll be able to start again I'm already planning a short, low dose cycle in the summer time and I haven't even ran my X-Factor cycle I plan on doing before!!!
It's great to hear your doing good though! Log has been great.
03-15-2006, 08:58 AM
Originally Posted by Smallone
Sorry that was a typo, I did mean PCT. As far as dosages go for PCT, do you know what you are running for each supp? Also everyone recommends Nolva (which appears to be hard to get ahold of since its prescription) but do you think you would need it if you are using rebound XT to reduce estrogen levels while simultaneously raising testosterone levels?
03-15-2006, 11:25 AM
That sux that you had to end your cycle early. I was really looking forward to seeing what your final results were gonna be.Originally Posted by RenegadeRows
As I said in your log you totally did the right thing. You listened to your body. It tells you when something isn't quite right. Good for you for not pushing it and ending up in the hospital or something! I'll be looking for your next log buddy!Originally Posted by RenegadeRows
03-15-2006, 01:22 PM
Also everyone recommends Nolva (which appears to be hard to get ahold of since its prescription) but do you think you would need it if you are using rebound XT to reduce estrogen levels while simultaneously raising testosterone levels?[/QUOTE]Originally Posted by xaneimas
Based on what jonny21 told me in this thread
Help with PCT
I will be doing the following for my 4 week PCT.
1000 Milk Thistle
1200 Red Yeast
565 Hawthorne Berry
450 Sal Palmetto
2000 Flaxseed Oil
AX PCT 2caps/day
Lean Xtreme 3 caps/day
Once again I'm not the guru here but to be on the safe side I would suggest using Nolva and Rebound together. If you look around you can find Nolva without a prescription.Originally Posted by xaneimas
03-19-2006, 12:51 AM
Been a while since I updated. Rest of the week went very well. Weights and/or reps were all up. I am really gonna miss this cycle and I think Iíll try for a 5-6 week run of this stuff next time. After 4 weeks Iím BLOWíD UP! I had the most intense arm workout today and they were HUGE when I finished. Since then the bloodís out of them but what a great look for a while. I couldnít be more pleased at this point with my progress. Iíll be surprised if my BF is up a bunch on Monday. Iím guessing itíll be down 1-2%. For those of you looking to try this stack get ready. Itís awesome. Iíve already ordered some extra bottles for a cycle in the fall. Iím hoping PCT goes well and I retain a bunch of the weight. Itís late but tomorrow I plan to list more on where Iíve come strength wise in the 4 weeks on cycle. Monday Iíll post about BF numbers and my final weigh in and measurements.
03-19-2006, 11:41 AM
Let me just say that this cycle has been great. No sides and great gains. Diet, diet, diet. If your diet isnít right then you wonít see the full results from this stack. When I started this log I did it as an experiment for those that may have not used stacks before and for those that may not have lifted in a long while. When I started I hadnít really lifted a weight in about 8 months. This post will show where I started and where I ended on many different excercises. So, the first number is the weight and reps I did in week 1 and the second number is the weight and reps I was doing in week 4 for my LAST set in each exercise.
Squat 6x215 8x265
Deadlift 6x160 12x185
Leg Press 8x400 8x520
Seated Calf 8x100 7x160
Incline Bench 7x135 8x155**
Decline Bench 7x135 8x185**
Chin Ups 8x-55 8xBodyweight
Barbell Rows 7x105 8x125
Dumbell Rows 8x65 8x80
Shoulder Press 8x40 8x60
Front Raises 8x30 10x40
Barbell Curls 5x95 8x110
Dips 8xBody 11xBody +25 (doing 20+ at just bodyweight)
Skull Crusher 8x75 8x95
** After week 1 I started doing rigorous pre-exhaustion exercises to get a better chest pump since my tris and shoulders were giving out so early in the chest day. Had I not done the pre exhastion this last week Iím sure I could have been doing 6-8 reps at 200+ on both incline and decline.
Chin ups I needed 55 lbs of assistance to get 8 reps the first week hence the Ė55 number.
Looking at the numbers it isnít really all that impressive actually but the way I look is undeniable. Iím bigger, wider, and harder than Iíve ever been. Iím getting a nice little ball for a bi which Iíve never experienced before. All of my muscles are so much harder. Just tight and thick in all areas and so much more Ďsolidí. This last week I couldnít hardly brush my teeth without my forearms hurting. I actually had to switch arms just to brush!
03-19-2006, 07:42 PM
WOW! The results are great no matter how you look at them. You mentioned that you hadn't worked out in 98 months, do you think that its possible some of the gains came quicker because of muscle memory? Are your results from week 4 comparable to where you were 8 months ago? It'd be cool if you could post your measurements and weight. Once again good work and I hope PCT goes well for you.Originally Posted by Smallone
03-20-2006, 12:21 AM
Yes, some of my gains are surely due to the muscle memory. No question. However most of the those weights, with the exception of chest and dips, are all personal bests for me.Originally Posted by xaneimas
The results from week four are close to where I was 8 months ago but, as I said, most are still personal bests. The biggest thing for me has been the size I've put on. Even when I was doing 285 bench and heavy dips I still wasn't anywhere near 215lbs and my muscles were not this packed. They just seem more dense now than they've ever been.
I'm weighing in tomorrow but I really think I'm gonna be about 214-215 for a final weight. I'm also gonna try and get my BF tested tomorrow.
Final measurements are in the next post!
03-20-2006, 12:22 AM
Sun Night 3/19
Here are my final measurements compared to four weeks ago. Taken at the same time of the day.
biceps 15.5” Now 16.5”
thigh 22.5” Now 24.5”
chest 40” Now 41-3/8”
waist 35.5” Now 36”
calves 15.5” Now 16”
Now I start PCT. I sure hope I can hold on to most of these gains. I'm going to be cutting back a little on the calories and with the Lean Extreme hope to shed some BF over the next 4 weeks. I won't be updating everyday but I will be putting something up every now and then to let y'all know how the PCT is going.
03-20-2006, 09:49 PM
Just out of curiosity where did you get your nolvadex (tamoxifen) and how much did you pay/dosage? Seems to be outrageously priced at those sites that dont require a prescription.
03-21-2006, 03:47 PM
I know PumpingIron already answered this but he was right. "Take a look at the board sponsors...especially the ones that you would think to sell "research chemicals". Make sure you look for Tamoxifen Citrate."Originally Posted by xaneimas
I think I paid $50-$60 or so for 50mL
03-21-2006, 03:51 PM
Yesterday everything was shut down because of snow. I had to wait until today to get some final numbers on my BF. Here they are.
Starting weight - 200
Ending weight - 214
Starting BF - 17.5%
Ending BF - 15.9%
I'm happy with the results so far! Let's see if I can hold any of them. I'll be doing the BF test again in 4 weeks.
03-22-2006, 12:29 PM
Congrats on the results!! Good luck w/ PCT.Originally Posted by Smallone
I took your advice on researching tamox and I found some from a board sponsor but when I went to the site the tamoxifen citrate in aqueous solution comes with a warning "not intended for use by humans, this product can be harmful if ingested". What is it that I am missing here???? Oh and at this company its $30 for 60mL.
03-22-2006, 04:04 PM
03-22-2006, 04:10 PM
xan--tamoxifen citrate is what you are looking for(aka nolva), it comes in liquid form at most places..it has that warning because it is sold as a "research chem".
03-22-2006, 08:45 PM
Originally Posted by schlam_of
Ok cool, I figured that but I just wanted to make sure. I've seen posts suggesting mixing it with OJ. Would everyone agree?
03-23-2006, 12:24 AM
Eastern South Dakota. We've had a pretty good winter weather wise but a spring storm rolled through and dumped about 2 feet on us! Most of us with 4 wheel drives could get out but all of the city offices were shut down. Y was closed and that threw me all off! 2 off days in a row?!?!?! I was going nuckin futs!!!Originally Posted by PumpingIron
03-23-2006, 12:33 AM
Ummmm......actually I personally wouldn't mix it with OJ. It's probably a good option to mix it with but if I'm not mistaken I think OJ is in the high glycemic sugar column. I'd just take it and chase it with water or something else. The stuff I have is flavored 'peppermint' and it's really not that bad just straight. NOTHING like straight olive oil or anything. It comes with a syringe for dosing and I take 1mL, which is 20mg, twice a day right now. At least I hope 1mL is 20mg.....anyways.....I don't have the conversion thing here in front of me but I'm sure pretty sure that's right. Someone PLEASE chime in if it isn't. You'll find that 1mL is not that much solution. When you get your stuff fill the syringe with water and put that in your mouth. It's barely anything really and the nolva isn't really all that bad. If you can get olive oil down then this will be a breeze.Originally Posted by xaneimas
03-23-2006, 02:11 PM
Smallone, you're right with the dosing...I personally can't take the taste twice a day, so im just dosing it once a day...
That sucks to hear about the snow and the Y getting shutdown...those are the days when i do a lot of abs, eat a few less calories, and do some puch ups, chair dips, handstand pushups, and some other bodyweight exercises...
03-23-2006, 04:58 PM
Yer gonna laugh at this one. It was my legs day so I ended up doing lunges with some house weights and I squatted my 14 year old boy. LOL!Originally Posted by PumpingIron
03-24-2006, 08:37 AM
03-25-2006, 10:33 AM
He actually was really good natured about it. He's a pretty thick kid so at 165 it made for a pretty good fill in workout! AT least he had something to tell his buddies at school the next day.Originally Posted by PumpingIron
03-28-2006, 04:09 PM
Just wanted to write a quick note and let y'all know PCT is going well so far. Weight is down from 214 to 211 after 1 week. Disappointing but not surprised. I've stepped up the cardio quite a bit so until I get the next BF test done I'm not too worried about lost weight. BP is down which is good. Body feels good but I'm not sleeping quite as well and I'm not quite as focused at the gym. Weights at the gym are not up but they are at least even. Reps are still the same too. Oily skin is gone and no sides or other problems. I don't feel as 'hard' as I did a week ago but that was to be expected. I'm still pretty soild and I really think this will end up being a great cycle!
04-04-2006, 04:25 PM
PCT End of Week 2
Weight is down to 209. That's 2 lbs down from the end of week 1 but to be expected with the extra cardio I've been doing. Lifting weights in the gym and reps are still the same with a few lifts being up. I'm not as thick looking as I was at 214 but I like the slimming down I'm seeing from the extra cardio and the lean xtreme. So far no sides and it appears the PCT losses have been minimal. Once again, hard to know until the BF is measured again. Nolva will be taken back to 20mg/day for the final 2 weeks. What a smoooooth PCT so far!
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