PP/Fini Cycle Log of a Novice

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Smallone
    I'm on it! The pre exhaustion thing is a great idea. I know it won't allow me do much weight but I'm more concerned with growth right now than how much weight I can push up. I'm making that change for next week.

    I do isolation on Sat with my bis and tris per your suggestion. I'd like to do dips but when should I slide those in? Last exercise on chest days? On Sat after or during the tris? I used to actually enjoy dips and I'd love to work them back in somewhere.

    I'd do the dips on both days!!! On chest days, lean foreward so you recruit more chest. On tricep days, try to stay erect so it works the triceps more.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by RenegadeRows
    I'd do the dips on both days!!! On chest days, lean foreward so you recruit more chest. On tricep days, try to stay erect so it works the triceps more.

    I may as well! I could certainly use the extra work on the tris. The days are spaced far enough apart where it may be OK to do both days. My recovery has been great on this cycle so far!
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  3. Thur 3/2

    OK. Had a great day off. It’s such a catch 22. You don’t want to take a day off since you’re on cycle but man it’s nice to have a break. I had a great workout today. I really think this stuff is starting to kick in finally. It’s kinda weird though. I don’t have the urge to wanna push weight around or anything. No heightened aggression at all, nothing out of the ordinary, no massive pumps, finish a hard set of something and you don’t feel like putting your fist into a wall, no flushed face or anything that would typically be misconstrued as a ‘rise in testosterone’ or anything like that. The strength is just there. I don’t know how else to put it…..it’s just…..there. I will say I like it! If I could do it I’d never go off of this stuff. I sleep well, I’m focused, my workouts are great, and I’m gaining strength. I’m pleased most with how my legs are adjusting. They seem to really be coming along well for strength gains. The upper body is still bad but maybe it will follow soon. Overall I’m really still a weak, fat, weenie boy but the gains are slowly coming. Here’s how it went today compared to the week prior with commentary. Some of this may get a little confusing but I’ll do my best to sort it all out for you.

    2/16
    Deadlifts 3 sets of 8x95 *(See Below)

    2/20
    Deadlifts 2 warmup sets, working sets 12x95E, 9x105M, 6x145H **
    Chin Ups 2 warmup sets, working sets 10x-85E, 8x-70M, 8x-55H ***
    Barbell Rows 2 warmup sets, working sets 8x95E, 8x95M, 8x105H
    Seated Calf Raises 2 warmup sets, working sets 12x80E, 8x100H, 8x100H

    3/2
    Deadlifts working sets 12x115E, 12x135E, 12x155M, 12x185H ****
    Chin Ups 2 warmup sets, working sets 8x-40M, 8x-25H, 4xBodyweight
    Barbell Rows 2 warmup sets, working sets 8x115M, 8x125H, 8x135H *****
    Seated Calf Raises 2 warmup sets, working sets 12x90E, 12x115H, 9x140H


    * This was the week prior to starting the cycle. I was just trying to get back into the swing of things from not having done anything in 8 months or so. I wasn’t trying to go for maxes or anything but I do distinctly remember having a hard time with the 8th rep of the last set. So set 3 would be 8x95H. Up to this point I had never done Deadlifts before……ever. How dumb was I? What a great exercise! I’m totally digging them now.

    ** I did Deadlifts 4 days later on the first day of the cycle and they, as you can see, went much better than the first day. Maybe I was just fatigued the first day or something. Anyway, good improvement.

    *** The Y has a Paramount machine where you can stand on a bar thing and use weight as a counterbalance to help assist in dips and/or chin ups. That’s what the negative numbers are for in case you were wondering. So on my last set I did 8 reps with the pin in the 55 weight spot for assistance and was just able to get 8…….with 55 pounds of help. Weak.

    **** Diplomats told me to only do 4 sets of 12 so this week I changed to doing that. They felt SOOOO good today for some reason! I just kept throwing weight on and it didn’t seem to slow me down at all. I could have done 15-20 reps at 185 on the last set. I felt SCHTRONG!!!! I think I could have done 200+ for 6 pretty easily.

    ***** I am a real stickler for good form on all of my exercises. I’m not going to arch my back and swing hard just to throw up a barbell curl and then claim I got 3 more out of the set. I REALLY try to focus on form. If I can’t get the last rep I may cheat a teensy bit but only on the last rep and only if necessary. Well……I cheated a little on the last rep of the last set. But 7 good form at 135 after being at 125 the previous set is still pretty good. It was more of a little ‘oomph’ at the end to get the 8th rep.


    Overall I feel I’m making great progress! My back is a little tender tonight from the Deads but otherwise I feel fantastic. I know I get a little long winded in my logs but I know I’ll need all of this info when I get ready to start my 2nd cycle. Thanks for bearing with me.

  4. Fri 3/3

    Another good day. My lower back is still tender and little tight but itís getting better. 5-6 nights a week I do some stretching exercises and theyíve really helped a lot. Both in recovery and maintaining some flexibility. I highly recommend working some stretching into your routine if you donít already do it. Iím starting to get the oily skin thing and my muscles are starting to feel Ďtighterí for lack of a better word so the stuff must be kicking in to some degree.

    2/21
    Barbell Shoulder Press 2 warmup sets, working sets 12x30E, 9x40H, 8x40H
    Front Raises 2 warmup sets, working sets 9x30H, 8x30H, 8x30H
    Barbell Shrugs 2 warmup sets, working sets 10x135E, 10x185E, 10x185M


    3/3
    Barbell Shoulder Press 2 warmup sets, working sets 12x40M, 10x45M, 8x50H
    Side Lat Raises 2 warmup sets, working sets 8x20M, 8x20H, 8x20H (First Week of these)
    Front Raises 2 warmup sets, working sets 12x30H, 10x35H, 8x40H
    Barbell Shrugs 2 warmup sets, working sets 12x185E, 10x235H, 8x275H

  5. Hey Smalls, Check this out bro, you want to do deads every other workout, so thats twice a month bro, you might make better gains that way. Thats what i have been doing and i have made mad gains. I read about this way from and article that Milos Sarcev wrote.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by diplomats
    Hey Smalls, Check this out bro, you want to do deads every other workout, so thats twice a month bro, you might make better gains that way. Thats what i have been doing and i have made mad gains. I read about this way from and article that Milos Sarcev wrote.
    So do Deads every other LEG day? Or just do Deads every other week on a different day than legs? Still twice a month either way but not sure if I should separate them from my leg days.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Smallone
    So do Deads every other LEG day? Or just do Deads every other week on a different day than legs? Still twice a month either way but not sure if I should separate them from my leg days.

    No you should do deads only on back days bro. Something like this

    CONCERNTRATES MORE ON WIDTH OF BACK

    Deads
    Chin-ups (wide grip)
    seated cable rows (wide grip)

    CONCERNTRATES MORE ON THICKNESS OF BACK

    Barbell rows
    Cable pulldowns (wide grip)
    One Arm dumbell rows ( resting the arm on your inner thighs)

    Alternate between each workouts working width in one week and thickness in the next etc

    Doing squats and deads on leg day, assuming you are going really hard, you know allout intensity, could lead to overtraining. So just stay with Leg press, Squats, hack squats, etc

  8. OK Dips. I'll move Deads to every other week. Here was your first routine for me when I started.

    Monday: Incline Bench, Decline bench, Incline flyes. (5 sets and reps should fail at the 8 rep, 5 sets involve 2 warm ups and stretching and 3 working sets)

    Tuesday: OFF

    Wednesday: Squats, Leg press, Hack Squats (5 sets and reps should fail at the 8 rep, 5 sets involve 2 warm ups and stretching and 3 working sets)
    Thursday: Barbell curls, Incline curls, preacher dumbell curls (same set as above). Skull Crusher, close grip, pushdown.

    Friday: OFF

    Saturday: Deadlifts, Chin-ups, Barbell rows (deads stay at 4 sets 12 reps)
    Sunday: Shoulder press, sidelaterals, front raise.


    I haven't changed much from your suggestions. I've only changed the days I do things on so that I'd have Wed and Sun off instead of Tue and Fri. Heading into my 3rd week do you have any other suggestions to add/subract from the routine?

  9. Sat 3/4

    Did a bunch of isolation exercises today for Biís and Triís. Workout wasnít quite as focused as the rest of the week had been. I really pushed hard this last week and probably need some recovery time. Tomorrow will be that day. I donít have my workout cards with me at the moment but everything was up at least 10lbs on most everything. Barbell curls, Incline Curls, Preachers, Dips, Skull Crushers, and pushdowns were the exercises. Iíll post weights if anyone ends up interested.

  10. Sun 3/5

    Off day. Got up later than usual but was fatigued most of the day. Took a nap in the afternoon and am still ready for bed at 10. Iím really glad I took the whole day off to rest. I wanna be ready for the next two weeks. I need to make as much progress as possible in the next two weeks since I really only work out 10 of the next 14 days Ďon cycleí. Skin is definitely more oily. I am still fat but I am looking wider and feeling more Ďfullí. I will weigh myself tomorrow and that will hopefully give me a better idea of how Iím coming along. According to the Accu Measure 2000 I appear to be down about 2% on the BF. Iím hoping to hit that point pretty soon where some guys start gaining about a pound a day. I wouldnít mind Ďlookingí the same fat wise if I were 10lbs heavier. Start of the 3rd week tomorrow! This should be where the fun REALLY begins!

  11. Mon 3/6

    OK. I saw her face. Now Iím a believer. This is the start of my 3rd week so I weighed myself again today. Same scale. I weighed in at 209! Thatís 9lbs up from where I started. The AccuMeasure 2000 shows I should be down about 1-2% BF. Itíll be hard to know until the real caliper reading is taken again but Iím feeling alright!

    Another good day at the gym. All leg lifts were up 20, 30 or more pounds. I damn near passed out a couple of times. I have to remember to BREATHE during squats. Have I mentioned how much I hate legs?

  12. remember, heavy leg workouts build the entire body to a certain extent, after u start seeing results in your legs u will come to love the pain, good log, keep training like there is no tomorrow....

  13. Quote Originally Posted by RipdnTxs
    remember, heavy leg workouts build the entire body to a certain extent, after u start seeing results in your legs u will come to love the pain, good log, keep training like there is no tomorrow....
    You're right. I know I've read a hundred times that legs are a good building block for the rest of the body and it's been my experience that as my legs grow so does my upper body but DAMN it wears my ass out! I just get puking tired after a good leg workout. Thanks for posting and reading. It's nice to see another 30-something guy participating. Are you/Have you run any cycles or stacks?

  14. Tue 3/7

    Iím still having some occasional Ďheavinessí in my chest from time to time. I had it again today so I decided to check the BP. Both readings came up 122/79 with a heart rate of 59. Nothing too awful bad but Iím keeping an eye on it. I had a great workout today. I took Dips advice and did the Ďpre exhaustioní exercises for the pecs and MAN did my boobies hurt! I really fatigued them today and while my weights were way down it sure was a great pump! I felt H-U-G-E when I finished and it didnít wear out my delts and tris before hitting the pecs. Iíll be right backÖÖÖÖI canít hardly stand myself. My flatulence is enough to make my eyes water and I had to leave the room. I think itís the Muscle Milk but Iím not quite sure. Anywhat, it was a great workout. Iím trying to get all I can from this cycle in the next two weeks. I did cardio after work and when I came home to take a shower I could really start to tell that things were blowing up. Iíd be happy to stay at 209 if I could lose another 2-3%BF but I donít think thatíll happen in two weeks. I have an off day tomorrow which is kind of a bummer Ďcause Iím feeling SO good right now but I know resting is the right thing to do and Iíll still do cardio. Iíd have to say Iím pretty sold on this cycle and it looks like Iíll be stocking up on this stuff for some future work.

  15. great job dude. Keep at it bro. keep at it

  16. Thanks Dips. Hey....do you think I'd be hurting anything if I added some Lean Xtreme to my PCT? I'd like to use it to drop some punds when PCT starts but I don't want to take the chance of losing a bunch of muscle instead.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Smallone
    Thanks Dips. Hey....do you think I'd be hurting anything if I added some Lean Xtreme to my PCT? I'd like to use it to drop some punds when PCT starts but I don't want to take the chance of losing a bunch of muscle instead.
    Yeah actually that would be a good idea, as it will help keeping the cortisol levels in check, when the cycle ends. Go right ahead dude.

  18. Thur 3/9

    All lifts are still going up. I wasnít up much on my barbell rows but my chin ups went MUCH better today than they have been in the past. I did some cardio tonight after work and when I got home decided it was time for a shower. Wife works late tonight so I had a chance to kinda pose in the mirror and I have to say that things are definitely changing. Iím way more full than I was 2 weeks ago and the strength increases speak for themselves. Iím more impressed with how much thicker I look. Chest, Bis, lats, legs, they are all coming along much better than I expected. I donít have any massive Ďpumpsí yet during workouts but I can certainly see a diff after Iíve worked out. Iím rarely sore for any length of time even though I really bust my a$$ in the gym. Iím only tender in my right lat and thatís from swinging a bat the last week or so. Outside of that things are still copasetic! What a great word. More tomorrow.

  19. Fri 3/10

    Shoulder lifts are all up again this week. Strength is still coming. Not near as fast as the first couple of weeks but that was to be expected for me. I have to keep reminding myself that I started from nothing so the gains would be fast in the beginning. Theyíre starting to taper off a little bit more now and are showing a more typical gain based on other peopleís logs. Had a good pump today on the shoulders portion and it felt oh so good! I still have occasional Ďtightnessí in my chest but the BP is OK so Iím still not stressing too bad about it. Sometimes itís spread all over the chest like an asthma type thing for lack of a better word. Feels like I canít take an entire deep breath at times. Iíve never experienced that type of tightness during cardio, only during times of rest or while in bed. The other type of Ďtightnessí is more of a sore location spot. The kind you feel the day after a good chest pump. Itís usually located about 2 inches above my right nipple and 1 inch towards the sternum. Anyway, I still donít think itís much to worry about but Iím logging it for future reference to myself and others.

  20. Sat 3/11

    Getting ready for arms day. Looked at myself in the mirror this morning and I think Iím getting some bloating. Iíve been doing cardio the last week but maybe this stuff is just now starting to really get into me and causing the bloat. I thought I was making progress on the BF side but Iím not so sure after this morning. I look every bit as fat as when I started even with the 3 days of 45 min cardio this week. Iím not gonna panic just yet. I wanted to bulk so thatís what Iím doing. I think Iíll focus more on the cutting side during and after PCT. Iím weighing in again on Mon but my guess is that Iíll still be about 209 or so. 9lbs is a lot in 2 weeks unless itís been really dirty but Iíve been SOOO good about my diet.

    Did supersets for arms today and had a GREAT pump finally. Arms looked HUGE and felt like they would explode! Unfortunately, it all seems to go away after a few hours but MAN what a feeling! Weights werenít up on everything but reps were. Dips were up and Iím finally to a point where Iíll have to add weight to keep me down in the 6-10 range. Off day tomorrow and then I start my last week.

  21. Mon 3/13

    Legs today and weights were up all around. +20 Squat, +20 Deads, +50 Leg Press. Feeliní GOOD! Just kept throwing on the weight and the body was able to handle it. Just about couldnít finish the routine because of the back pump even though Iím doing Taurine before and after every workout. Iím still feeling the back pump 5 hours later. My muscles feel tight and hard all over. My bis have a nice ball effect starting to happen. Diplomats talked about finding it hard to type because of the forearm tightness and Iím starting to feel the same type things. GREAT stuff! Took 3 weeks to get here but DAMN! Iím bigger all over. All muscle groups are getting larger. Iím SO glad I didnít cheat my diet. Guys at work are finally starting to ask me if I have a bunch of needle marks in my ass. I neverÖ..I mean NEVER expected these kind of results. VERY pleased so far and 1 week to go!

    200 Ė Starting weight
    209 Ė Weight after 2 weeks
    212 Ė Weight after 3 weeks (today)**

    ** My waist appears to be up .5 to 1 inch according the tape measure but all of my pants are fitting about the same as they always did.

  22. Awesome log man. Ive been reading your as well as dips in addition to all the others on PP/finigenx. Im looking to start my first cycle soon but i dont know whether to use finigenx or prostanozol...finigen seems to be pretty darn good though.

    I dont wanna hijack your thread but i made a post not to long ago about my proposed cycle and no one replied which got me kinda down. I was hoping dips may give me some advice on dosages. im 5'10.5" 185, 10.5%bf . Maybe i should just follow one like yours smallone.

    Keep up the great long and stay focused...9lbs!! thats awesome. I wanna see more from you!

  23. Two more questions 1) how long are you using PP for 4 weeks or 5? Finigen? 2) How long are you running PST for?

  24. Quote Originally Posted by xaneimas
    Awesome log man. Ive been reading your as well as dips in addition to all the others on PP/finigenx. Im looking to start my first cycle soon but i dont know whether to use finigenx or prostanozol...finigen seems to be pretty darn good though.
    I've never used the Prostanozol but I'm here to tell you the Fini is awesome stuff.

    Quote Originally Posted by xaneimas
    I dont wanna hijack your thread but i made a post not to long ago about my proposed cycle and no one replied which got me kinda down. I was hoping dips may give me some advice on dosages. im 5'10.5" 185, 10.5%bf . Maybe i should just follow one like yours smallone.
    Don't worry about hijacking my thread dude! Very few people are replying and I'm not seeing a whole lot of views on it so it's not like you're taking away from anything here. Pretty much just me babbling away day after day to myself! LOL! I'm more than happy to help in any way I can for ya. I'm no pro at this stuff so the other vets will have to help you with the 'in depth' stuff. My suggestion, now that I'm into my fourth week, is I wouldn't have changed anything in my dosages. I would stick with 10,20,20,20 on the PP and 6,12,12,12 on the Fini. The only thing I may have changed, and might for my next cycle of this stack, will be to do 12,12,12,12 on the Fini. Based on my experience and what others have written I would not do 30 on the PP at any time. I can see why they decided to move to it.....but I would just be patient and stay with the 20 dose. It takes a good 3 weeks or so to REALLY start to feel the effects of this stack. I wanted to go to 30 on the PP and 18 on the Fini about 2.5 weeks into it 'cause I didn't think I was seeing the results I should have but I'm glad I didn't. Just at the very end of the 3 weeks I started to BLOW UP. Dips was right on that. I had another guy at work today ask me if I was sticking needles in my ass. He said he just started to really notice a diff in the last few days (about the end of my 3rd week.....go figure). I highly recommend you go with the dosages I suggested and don't change anything. Be patient with this stuff....it will work. When it's all done and over with you can then re-evaluate and make changes for your next cycle but until then your liver and blood pressure will appreciate you all the more for taking things one step at a time. Don't be afraid to ask Dips questions. He's a great guy and a wealth of help. I haven't seen him a whole lot on the site lately so he may be on vaca or something so be patient when waiting for answers from him.

    Quote Originally Posted by xaneimas
    Keep up the great long and stay focused...9lbs!! thats awesome. I wanna see more from you!
    9lbs was just the first 2 weeks. I've put on another 3 in the third week! I'm up a total of 12 since I started and probably would be up more had I not started doing cardio to help with the bloating and to keep the gains as clean as possible. I've read that some guys put on about 1lb a day in the last week so I'm anxious to see what I end up at. I'd be happy to end the 4 weeks at 15-18 pounds up before PCT. Keep watching! It's just starting to get good!

  25. Quote Originally Posted by xaneimas
    Two more questions 1) how long are you using PP for 4 weeks or 5? Finigen? 2) How long are you running PST for?
    MAN i'm tempted to extend the PP and Fini another week 'cause I'm just starting to hit my stride with the gains but I think I'm done at the end of this week (4th week). I've read that the effects start to plateau with this stuff after about 4 weeks so I think I'll call it good after Sunday. I need to remember that this stuff is toxic so it's not the best idea to run it for really long periods of time. I've also been borderline with my blood pressure levels and I'd like to get them back down again.

    PST or PCT? I'm guessing you meant PCT? I'll run my PCT for 4 weeks. It's best to run PCT for the same amount of time that you ran your cycle for. So, time on equals time off.

    As for PST, I have a Worth PST that I'll be swinging all season since it's just now getting broken in and it's hot as hell! My other gamer will be my Freak98. Can't wait for softball season to start!!!!
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