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    attempt SD/max lmg log


    Here is the long awaited..."SD/Max LMG cycle"...the "looks good on paper" cycle.

    I'm going to sleep now though and will start officially in the morning. Today was day one and i will say that i took my other cap of SD and max around 8 or 9 and i feel like i won't be able to fall asleep.

    cycle is

    SD @ 20 mg/day split am/pm
    LMG @ 75 mg/day split 3 times
    pct will be rebound xt and lean xt or retain
    taking GXR throughtout and into pct

    additional crap i am taking

    coq10
    red rice yeast
    multi
    fish oil caps
    flax oil caps
    folic acid
    selenium
    B complex
    niacin
    Uniliver tabs
    chromium picolinate
    and other vitamins/minerals that i am forgetting b/c i take so much in the am

    stats kind of are

    5'7"ish
    around 177-180
    ~12% bf

    I don't write down meal plans or count calories..i've been eating long enough to just have an idea, so I would say I'm doing about maintenance, adding mucho fiber like 30Grams a day..reducing carbs, increasing good fats

    training

    Monday: back/chest/15 minutes cardio
    Tuesday: 45 min combination hit and moderate cardio/abs
    Wed: Bis/tris/15 minutes cardio
    Thursday: same as tuesday
    Friday: shoulders and possibly legs
    saturday: legs if I change my mind on friday

    I've normally done the whole back/bi..chest/tri routine, but am going for the push/pull type stuff on this one.

    goal is to end at about 185+ under 10% bf...it'll happen

    today was first dose...my arm workout was really good, and cardio went really well. I felt like i could go for a lot longer. Obviously this is a placebo effect at this point considering i just started this morning..but hey i'll take it for now.

    i also lost my wrist straps which sucks.

    and apparently i didn't go to sleep 3 paragraphs ago so it is time

    the end


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    Had a real difficult time falling asleep last night. I normally have a difficult time falling asleep, however last night just seemed different. I don't think I will take the last SD/lmg so close to when I would like to go to sleep.

    I forgot to add some things
    taking 3 caps MDHT pre workout
    green tea extract throughout the day
    policosinol
    lechtin

    Today when I woke up I felt agitated. This was probably b/c I didn't get much sleep and am still living with my parents, and now my grandfather..and they are remodling the kitchen. But I felt overly annoyed this morning.

    I won't be weighing myself until the gym which is at night.

    My updates will consist of morning, and night comments

    Of course feel free to post any questions or anything you would like me to keep track of. I am going to try and get some before and after pics also.

    I might add in some PGH as well, but am undecided at the moment.

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    it's 10:30 am right now, and I feel like I could probably sleep right now for a few hours. Again I will attribute that for now to going to sleep around 2:00 am and waking up at 6. I do feel very sluggish though.
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    I was away since Friday morning for work, last minute trip to a field office.

    Friday and Saturday didn't make it into the gym since I was away for work. Thursday Shoulders went awesome however due to some long time shoulder issues I couldn't go as heavy as I would have liked.

    Did get 8 x 360 with shrugs

    Sunday leg day was awesome, I am feeling pumped pretty much always. It might still be too early for it to be from the actual supps, but I will keep track. WEight as of Thursday was about 179. I will weigh in tonight also.

    Today is chest/back day.

    I am not feeling lethargic really either. I think last week was just from not sleeping to well the one night.

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    i would double the lmg to 150mg/day to get a good effect
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    Being that it is my first time using both SD/LMG, I'm going to run the lowest dose that should be effective. I want to see how I react to it before ramping something up that high.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hamper19
    Being that it is my first time using both SD/LMG, I'm going to run the lowest dose that should be effective. I want to see how I react to it before ramping something up that high.
    I second that bro. Thanks for keeping this log, it's great practice for the Rebound Reloaded you're doing later...

    I have a couple questions for you: Are you saying you are keeping carbs LOWER than usual while doing this? If so, why? And also, if you could please post previous cycle experience as well as when was your previous one, it will assess the "freshness" of your androgen receptors.

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    Well I'm not really lowering the carbs so to speak, I'm just eating mostly all of them in the morning, and at lunch . Only carbs after that will be from veggies...I have a real easy ability to put on fat, and carbs are normally the culprit for me.

    I'm mostly taking in my carb count from fiber now, as opposed to say a sweet potato or brown rice or something, so its basically different carbs rather then lower I suppose. I'm looking to stay as lean as possible, and ideally get leaner (aren't we all). Over the years though I've figured out what I need to do to be able to have this happen. So my breakfast consists of this flax/wheat bran hot cereal stuff, and another 1/4 cup of unprocessed wheat bran. Totals about 35 grams carbs and about 17 grams from fiber.

    as for previous cycles I'm not sure how far you want me to go back. First one was a while ago, and a deca only cycle, I'd say maybe 8 years ago. I think it was either 2 or 400 mg a week, I forget to be honest. I did get what i was looking for and put on a lean 8 pounds kept it all. Lets see over the years I've done

    1 test/4ad trans cycle twice
    M1t only cycle
    Transdermal Fina oral winny (really liked that one)
    Last cycle was over a year ago and consisted of
    trans 1test/4ad, and MOHN and I only ran that for 4 weeks, before that was a while also. I'd say my receptors are fairly fresh and ready to suck up some goodness

    I hope that response was good enough.
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    as for an update. Chest/Back day. Strength is up nicely on all lifts. Close grip rows topped out at 245 x 10 (last week 210 x 5) ...Hopefully I'll be doing the entire stack by next week..tops out at 360

    One thing I did notice was Friday during work my right hamstring kept feeling like it was about to go into spasm but then would subside. I had an injury to that ham string years ago, and it was in the exact same spot that I tore it a long time ago. i thought that was odd.

    I did feel pretty tired today during work, but snapped out of it on my ride home and on the way to the gym. Got in 20 minutes of cardio also. PWO shake was about 1.5 hours ago and just weighed myself at home at 175. I'm getting ready to eat again now, some blackened catfish and spinach.

    I did get a compliment at work today by this hot girl she said "wow kris that shirt makes you look pretty buff"

    I laughed cause she said buff, but nonethe less it was cool

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    u will really like the gains u r about to start making, good luck.......
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    Good stuff my man! You're experienced, so that makes this log all the more interesting. Remember though that fiber = no calories.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grunt76
    Good stuff my man! You're experienced, so that makes this log all the more interesting. Remember though that fiber = no calories.

    yeah this hot cereal is pretty good. "Hodgson Mill"

    ingredients: Oats, unprocessed wheat bran, milled flaxeed, soy grits, untoasted wheat germ, cracked whole wheat.
    1/3 cup dry

    Calories 160
    Total fat 3g
    sat = .5 g
    cholesterol 0
    sodium 0
    total carbs 25g
    dietary fiber 6g
    sugar 1g
    Protien 7g

    And it actually tastes good and inexpensive, I'd recomend it for people looking to add some more fiber/flax

    then i add just plain wheat bran
    1/3 cup
    35 calories
    11 g total carbs
    8g fiber
    1g sugar
    3g protien

    Also have 1 scoop whey so thats my get up and go breakfast...and trust me, when i get to work i definitely have to get up and go...then of course i eat again usually 4 eggs (2 whole, 4 whites), with some kind of meat, veggies, and cheese.

    I'm definitely getting the calories in there. It's actually kind of difficult at the moment though. I'm still living with the parents for a few more months, and they are remodeling the entire kitchen. Its been tough the past couple days, but I'm making it happen. Defrosting some buffalo steaks as we speak!

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    Buffalo steaks? never had em, how are they?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PVSkyHigh
    Buffalo steaks? never had em, how are they?
    not sure to be honest, I've had buffalo burgers and they are pretty good. I'm having one for dinner #2 tomorrow so I will let you know

    nutrition info is

    6oz buffalo steak

    180 calories
    total fat 2.5g
    sat .5 g
    Cholesterol 65mg
    Sodium 75mg
    Carbs 0
    Protein 40g

    They came in a box "Great Range" brand all natural buffalo steak medallions. 2 6oz steaks for 5.99 not bad i say

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    too much for me still, lol Ill stick to boneless skinless chicken breast at 1.68 a lb.
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    first I will say the buffalo steaks were awesome! I like them better then beef actually. Anyway

    Today was abs/lowerback/cardio day. my lower back felt a little tight from yesterdays back/chest workout but managed to get a really good workout in after some good stretching

    Dead lifts were good, 225 x 15, 275 x 10, 295 x 6

    felt like i could just keep doing cardio for a while, but after 45 minutes felt it was enough.

    defintely feeling more "swole" in general...seeing some old friends..aka veins in my arms that i haven't seen in a while, and also in my chest.

    I feel tired during the day, but after my workout i'm wide awake, more then usual

    weighed in at 180 today at the gym pre-workout, and was too sweaty/tired to weight myself again after. Next weigh in will be first thing in the morning dry

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    weight first thing this morning was 175 on the home scale, which i think is off anyway. I'll see what i am looking like at the gym tonight

    Arms day, so that should be fun. I really need a damn ipod so I can listen to something while I'm lifting. I think it would be so much better.

    Also feeling more hungry during the day which is cool. I'm up to eating about 7 times a day

    I looked in the mirror this morning and seem to be filling out more, maybe its just mind games who knows. But first thing after the shower i was like damn my traps are looking big!
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    Recap of my first complete week on the cycle

    Starting weight around 177 weighing at the gym around 6:00pm
    1 week later (today) weighin in at 186 same time at the gym
    ** I am feeling a little bloated today, but no more then I usually do at random times during the week

    Most noticable strength gains
    close grip rows (only listing last set)
    last week 210 x 5
    this week 245 x10

    incline bench hammer strength (after seated chest press)
    last week 6x90 (on each side)
    this week 8x100 (each side)
    ** i have an issue with the right shoulder which hinders my chest workouts, I'm planning on scheduling some ART sessions next week

    Standing straight bar curls
    last week 5x75
    this week 6x85

    also note I try to maintain form, so while these might seem low to some, there's no cheating

    The boys seem to be ok, maybe a little smaller...libido is normal i guess, i'm not really getting laid at the moment, but if i was, i'm sure i'd be fine..lol

    I'll know what legs are like in a few days

    appetite is up, vascularity is improving.

    I'm not really looking any leaner, but not gaining fat so thats fine i suppose.

    I am looking thicker though. I also think I have BDD, so who knows. When i think i'm fat people tell me I look like im in good shape, so my visual opinion might be skewed. I also think we all have some kind of BDD in us on this board.

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    update:

    Strength continues to go up, and so does my feeling of being bloated. I am looking leaner in the mirror, but feel like I'm getting fatter. Leg day yesterday morning due to the massive amount of snow we had over the weekend.

    Recovery has improved a lot. Normally my legs would be sore for 2-3 days, but already the day after they are sore, but I can tell by tomorrow they will be fine.

    Weight at the gym yesterday 186, so possibly up 8-10 pounds. That was around 12:00 noon and all I had up until then was a protien shake.

    I am waiting for PG-H to come in and will add that as soon as I get it and run it for the remainder of the cycle, through PCT, and until it's gone or I get more (probably get more).

    Another thing to note is I am getting acne this cycle, and I never really got it before..on my face that is. I'm getting more then usual on my chest and face.
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    Good log man. The results are pretty amazing IMO.
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    I think so too...I feel fat today though..lol. I'm like a woman when it comes to that (possibly a case of BDD)

    glad to see that someone is watching this though.
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    Yeh that's pretty strange "feeling" fat but "looking" leaner... WTF? Do you feel like you're on estrogen or what?

    Another question for you: What kind of calorie level are you running with this?
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    I think i am just bloated. Like last night it looked like I was leaner, and I felt tight. This morning i just feel bloated.

    I do think i have issues with how I perceive myself though. I used to be fat in highschool, and even when i was really lean (5.5% bf), i could never seem to look the way i wanted to in the mirror, meanwhile i have my friends gf telling me i had the perfect body for a guy etc (at that point)...

    The reason I think i look leaner is b/c I took a mineral bath yesterday after doing legs and while chilling in the tub I could see my abs looking down. Normally i can see them in the mirror with proper lighting, but its been a while since i saw them just looking down at the gut.

    As for calories, I'm not counting (never do). I would say maintenance, or maybe a little above.

    I actually took a few pics last week, so I will try and compare when I am done with this, and then after pct.

    Let me think about what I've eaten today and I'll post my estimate. I pretty much eat the same everyday, just different foods if that makes sense.
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    This is what i have, and will eat today...

    2 whole eggs, 2 egg whites
    2 oz cube steak
    2 slices american cheese

    6 oz homemade chili (no beans)
    85% lean meat, with fat drained prior to adding chili spices (low sodium and lots of cayenne pepper)
    bell peppers and celery are the only things added besides the meat and spices

    next meal will be 4 or 5 oz salmon filet (guessing, its not large)
    2 cups spinach sauteed in a little evoo

    gym

    PWO shake (2 scoops ON whey, 1/4 cup wheat bran)

    45 mins later
    5oz center cut pork chop
    spinach again or maybe brocolli if i have some

    then either a shake before bed, or 6 low sodium triscuits w 2oz low fat motzarella cheese.

    I'm a little busy at work so I don't have time to figure out the numbers right now, but I can later..maybe lol
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    Knowing the numbers would be sweet bro.
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    17 egg white
    17 egg white
    70 cheese
    70 cheese
    74 whole egg
    74 whole egg
    140 3 oz cube steak

    400 chili

    380 salmon

    119 olive oil (tblsp)
    60 (spinach

    220 calories whey protien

    390 5.9 oz pork chop

    spinach 70

    130 cals triscuits
    144 cals 2 oz cheese

    total ~2375

    according to the Harris-Benedict method (and giving myself the benefit of the doubt that I am 5'7 and not 5'6") if I want to lose 2 pounds a week I need to eat 2122 a day
    so I was wrong about maintenance, but then again this info came from a site that gives nutrional info on certain foods so it may be off. So far I've gained some pounds.
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    back/chest today...
    incline hammer strength last set 8x100(100 each side) up from last week of 6x75 last set

    close grip rows (drop sets)
    last set was 245 x 5
    190 x 6
    140 x8

    After this I almost passed out..well not really, but i had to sit down for a few minutes and actually take my headphones out and just breathe. It felt like my bp was pretty high at that point. Took no stims before workout...actually half a cup of tea if that counts.

    but after that last set of back, i just felt like i was already done with the rest of my workout. I continued on for 2 more chest exercises, and 2 more back exercises, but didn't get as much weight as i wanted.

    Got on the treadmill and HR was at 150, from only lifting, and no warm up or anything. I normally do a few minutes of cardio to get the HR at around 130 before lifting. I haven't been doing that while on cycle

    I also fet a lot more bloated during cardio for some reason. Is there some kind of disease or something that would make a guy feel retardly bloated? I mean diets good, doesnt' feel like estrogen related sides...i mean i did eat a fair amount of carbs over the weekend while being snowed in, so if the bloat doesn't subside by tomorrow, I will readdress the issue.

    lower back seems to be getting sore, but goes away quickly. It doesn't feel like a M1T PUMP kind of lower back thing either.

    anyway, thats about all i have for now

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    easy day at the gym today. Just abs/cardio

    I was wrong about the legs feeling better, they are sore as hell

    I did just take my first dose of pgh though, .5 ml.

    I actually liked the tingly feeling. Funny thing is after the tingling (subsiding as we speak), the slight headache i had went away, and my legs feel less sore.

    weight today 183

    also getting a lot of looks from the ladies at the gym..
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    Last night I took a .5 dose sub-q of pg-h
    this morning 1 cap of VENOM (had a free sample pack)

    This morning, I feel wierd as hell. It's really hard to explain it. At first I thought it was a good feeling, but as the day is going on I feel like I want to be anti-social or something. lol

    I think it is from the Venom, stims like that have a weird affect on me. I can say that it has killed my appetite this morning, which I guess means its doing part of its job.

    I won't be taking the other cap of Venom, and will report back tomorrow (hopefully, fathers getting surgery) on wheterh I think it was the Venom or PGH.

    Also sleep wasn't really effected by the single dose of PGH. I did feel like i was in an especially good mood though after the dose.

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    I know it may be too early to know, but I have a feeling that SD stacked along with Max LMG, and zol would be great for somebody who was in the process of cutting. How do you feel about that assesment?
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    what is zol? stanazolol/winny? If that is what you mean then I would say it would be a nice addition. Definitely would be nice for the added hardening/leaning out winny gives you.

    I wouldn't do oral winny bc of it being methylated, but maybe Winny V or something.

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    update: Venome ****ed me up with anxiety issues all day yesterday, it made me not want to be in the gym. Great product though as far as appetite supression.

    I felt nausiated just thinking about eating and found it really hard to eat pretty much all day.

    Weight at the gym yesterday (with really low food intake due to venom), was 184

    Definitely leaning out, and PGH has improved my sleep quality, not quantity however.

    I still find it hard to fall asleep at night, but when i finally do, I don't really wake up several times like I used to, and i just feel really good upon opening my eyes, and my morning irritability that i usually have has been lessened also. And this is only after 2 shots.

    Did sub-q shots, first was right side stomach, last night left side. Left side is sore now, and will rotate to quads.

    The soreness might be due to the fact I had to reuse the pin from the first shot, since I only have to slin pins left. Somehow my whole bix i had was tossed. I do still have my 3' 21 guages that..haha..oh and 18 guage..not using that **** ever again though

    But so far I am enjoying this cycle. Lifts are consistently up every week, and my focus in the gym has improved. That could also be from me finally having an MP3 player to listen to now and just knowing that I am "on".

    I think if I run LMG again I would probably bump it up to at least 100mg/day, and SD to maybe 30.

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    My apologies by zol I meant prostanozol.
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    Unfortunately I'm really not that familiar with that. I don't think it's methyllated so that part isn't an issue, and if I recall correctly it is supposed to be like winstrol hence the similarity in the name....so if that is all correct I would say why not.

    ANyone else have input?

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    I guess, but there gets a point where... Why stack MORE? 3 androgens a a big stack... 2 bulkers and one cutter... If you can justify it to yourself, sure, go ahead...
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    I was thinking that after i said it...good point
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    Thanks for the log, looks like all is going well for you. I just started a similar cycle yesterday so I'll be watching with great interest. I'm around 240 and am looking to hit 220 in 2-3 months so like you I'm not increasing my calories alot, I've upped my carb intake from 100gs to around 300gs and kept everything else the same (375g protien and 100g fat). Anyway good luck and keep the log going!
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    I busted my finger Friday at work, dropped a server on it, so I had to take the weekend off Friday-Sunday. I'll be back tomorrow during the day for another mid-day leg session, then probably back again at night for another

    Since I've been eating low carb during the week, the weekends I have been doing refeeds so to speak. Still leaning out, and the PGH is nice for sleep so far also.

    I took a dose in front of one of my boys on Friday and he was like "damn man, you been hitting the gym"...said i was looking better then i did last summer which is cool, cuz last summer he said he was almost embarrased to stand next to me.

    He is one of these dudes that is just always lean, never lifts etc etc, just always look lean and pretty muscular...(i hate him)...so somethings working well here. Home scale said 186 this morning, but will get the official weigh in at the gym tomorrow.

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    Officially 3 weeks in. Weighed in at 182.5 so I'd say up about 6 or so pounds so far. Keep in mind I am eating fairly lo cals ~2400/day. I am getting thicker and leaner so it's definitely more then 6 pounds of lbm in there.

    I would also say i was probly closer to 15% bf when i started now that i think about it, probly around 11 or so now. I took pics one week in and will take more beginning of pct, and at the end of pct then post.

    Back/chest today...lifts were up on first sets of everything, but the same after. I am doing drop sets, so it is burning me out a lot quicker, about 30 seconds rest betweein sets.

    Another comment from a female coworker of mine while we had lunch today "Kris your head is looking too small, you shouldn't get any bigger"

    I'm definitely not THAT big, but it's a sign of progress, and a good guage since i see her everyday and quite often throughout the day.

    I am feeling better about the way I look. I still have these damn love handles, but that's genetics..I mean i'll get rid of them hopefully by summer, but its really difficult for me.

    I could have a tight 6 pack and still have love handles.

    took the past 2 days off from PGH, and started 2nd week today. I did notice my sleep sucked again during the 2 days off.

    During legs yesterday I got some serious lower back pumps that hindered how much weight I could use, but still up.

    squats 1x15 reps @ 135 3x8 reps @ 225 (keep in mind the calorie intake). While the weight might not be higher, I got another full set of 8 in.

    leg press 3x8 @ 450

    incline bench hammer strengh 1x15 @ 90 on each side, 3x8 @ 115 on each side (another full set in there)

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