Draven's SuperONE+ Cycle - comments?

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  1. Good work Draven I think 200 should be your next goal Bro


  2. Originally posted by sctxms
    Good work Draven I think 200 should be your next goal Bro
    Me too. I think something weird's going on though. I'm in week 4 and should be pretty much almost done my bottle yet I still have 1/3 of it left . I think the pump head my be off and might explain why my gains haven't been great compared to others. I really only started seeing really good pumps and such by the end of last week. I've bumped my daily dose from 12 squirts to 16 and will just run with that till the bottles out... probably an extra week. Hopefully my gains will keep going for this length. I know things usually slow down by week 4 but considering I didn't get the right amount daily I only reached saturation late last week.
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  3. Yes the simple fact that your gains took a while to kick in tells me the dosage is too low. When i dose appropriately on ANYTHING fast acting i start gaining muscle by day 4 and most of its over by middle of week 5.

    I would run it until bottle is out since youve underdosed.

  4. No offense to anyone but I have not used anything post cycle like 6-oxo and yet have not had any problems or lost of sex drive. SO WTF is up with that ?? The reason why is my mother is ill and I left my stuff at home I have been off of the super one plus for 15 days. I am still pushing the same weight around so I am a little confused why everyone thinks the need 6-oxo or Trib post cycle?

  5. I think it really depends on the degree of shutdown. If I remember you cut your cycle short so you're natural test production may not have been shut down to the same extent it would had you finished the cycle. I only started to notice a little shrinkage this week which tells me my "giggleberries" are falling into disuse. If I stop now and don't take an anti-e my estrogen levels are gonna sky rocket and my testis will take some time on their own to get rolling again. By blocking estorgen the body attempts to create more by boosting test production, which in turn gets my testis going again.

    Hope that helps.

  6. Draven, you should probably list your stats pumped and flexed next time around. Why? Pumped and flexed is part of bodybuilding. I've never heard of a pro getting up on stage not pumped, and then not bothering to flex. Muscles will change shape and dimensions during a cycle, usually this is most noticable pumped and flexed. JMO.

  7. Thanks for the info Draven

  8. To add what Draven said, everyone reacts differently. There's some people out there who can come off a solid steroid stack without (stupidly) any clomid or nolva and be fine. Others can take a gram of test and not get any signs of gyno. Meanwhile, a third person can take 1-test for 4 weeks and be shut down for a long time if not using proper procedures. Everyone reacts differently to androgens and anabolics, and the reason you use your anti-e's is to be safe and err on the side of caution. If you can get by without, lucky for you, but for the other person who tries the same and does get shut down...they really have no excuse.

  9. I guess I am luck but I started taking some trib just to be safe

  10. Wise choice, take everything you got just to be safe. Even on a low dose, I felt fine until about 4 weeks later and then my boys just stopped on me for a few days...even with a heavy clomid dosing post cycle plus trib, maca, carao, and avena sativa. Also, remember, just because you were lucky once does not mean that will always be the case. ITs better safe then sorry.
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  11. Question fro my next cycle I was going to run
    2 bottles T1 Pro six weeks
    burn free test 1gram a day six weeks
    winny 50 mg a day
    when should I start clomid

  12. Originally posted by sctxms
    Question fro my next cycle I was going to run
    2 bottles T1 Pro six weeks
    burn free test 1gram a day six weeks
    winny 50 mg a day
    when should I start clomid



    Weights up to 176 this week, got about 2 days left on my cycle then I'll be starting my 6-oxo.





    Sctxms,
    Holy crap bro, you're really going all out here aren't you. Unless you plan on using the clomid through your cycle I'd personally start taking the clomid about 2 days before the end of my cycle with something that heavy, but that's just me.

  13. LOL, nice smiley draven.

  14. Sorry Draven to get off topic But I agree 2 days before I complete it I will start the clomid bro Hopefully I will be as ripped as you when I am done. What was your ending BF?

  15. Well, last application tonight. Weight sits right now at 178 and around 10.5% up from 165, 11.5% bf. Overall about a 15 LBM gain and a loss of 1% bf (Although I think my readings are off becuase of water retention. I'll take some new photos this weekend and try to update that chart.

    All in all I'm pretty pleased with how everything went, despite the under dosing for a while there. No sides experienced other than a little shrinkage this week and some itchy nips. Post cycle here I come.

  16. Good **** draven, good luck with post cycle.

  17. thats great bro I do believe the next time you cycle you will hit the 200 pound mark

  18. Nice gains Draven. Sometime last week or so I noticed the new pic, and said to myself damn he put on some size from his last pic. Well now I know why. Congrats.

    BTW I'm up 10 pounds on my cycle starting week 3. =)

  19. Originally posted by NPursuit
    Nice gains Draven. Sometime last week or so I noticed the new pic, and said to myself damn he put on some size from his last pic. Well now I know why. Congrats.

    BTW I'm up 10 pounds on my cycle starting week 3. =)
    Haha, thanks bro. Up10 pounds and only starting week 3, eh? Nice!

  20. Damn Draven.

    I gotta hand it to you. That chart is VERY helpful. Detialed, informative and easy to follow.

    Ok ok enough. It still doesn't mean we are going to go away for the weekend.

    No ****ting bro good job thanks.

    One thing I find especially interesting is the increase in fat BUT also the increase in lean body mass the last week when you upped the dose.

    Ok question why did you stop, because you had predetermined how long you were going to go?

    You obviously were still gaining muslce mass. NOT saying you should have continued.

    I am curious why more guys don't try say a 12 weeks cycle since this is a VERY common way people do an AS cycle.

    I was just looking at your pics and thought Hmmmmmmmmm the first set of pics you are actually bigger. Then I realized those are the after pics. Nice job bro.
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  21. Originally posted by CROWLER
    Damn Draven.

    I gotta hand it to you. That chart is VERY helpful. Detialed, informative and easy to follow.
    Thanks.

    Originally posted by CROWLER
    Ok ok enough. It still doesn't mean we are going to go away for the weekend.
    ****. You sure.

    Originally posted by CROWLER
    One thing I find especially interesting is the increase in fat BUT also the increase in lean body mass the last week when you upped the dose.
    Actually I screwed up one of my meals for the week, actually my g/f did, but ended up eating Mcdonalds for that meal all week. That's why I gained the fat.


    Originally posted by CROWLER
    Ok question why did you stop, because you had predetermined how long you were going to go?.
    Short answer, I used up all my PH's.

    Originally posted by CROWLER
    You obviously were still gaining muslce mass. NOT saying you should have continued..
    I actually had gone a week longer than I should have due to the pump giving me an incorrect dosage.

    Originally posted by CROWLER
    I am curious why more guys don't try say a 12 weeks cycle since this is a VERY common way people do an AS cycle.
    Most agree that gains tend to taper off around the 4-5th week or so. After that you're lucky if you gain a pound or two. Plus you'd have to take a longer time off before your next cycle due to the length of time you've been shutdown for. If you go 4 on, then 4 off and then back on again you get two big gaining periods (Each cycles week 3 and 4) in a 12 week cycle. In the end you'd gain more from a 12 week cycle done like this then going 12 weeks straight.

    Originally posted by CROWLER
    I was just looking at your pics and thought Hmmmmmmmmm the first set of pics you are actually bigger. Then I realized those are the after pics. Nice job bro.
    Haha, yeah their backwards... too lazy to fix it.

  22. Thanks for the question by question replies.

    I am wondering you say gains usually stop after about 4 weeks.

    It seems that with AS gains slow down dramatically after 8 to 12 weeks. BUT it seems more and more people are staying on at lower dosages for longer time. In this way the body becomes more 'used to' carrying the extra muscle and is less likely to lose it when you do the post cycle, cycle.

    Perhaps this could work with prohormones also.


    Here is another thought for why the gains dramatically slow after approx 4 weeks on prohormones. Your body now posseses more muscle and therefor your body is creating more cortisol and is more catabolic.

    So you may need a higher level of prohormone to equal and EXCEED the new amount of muscle catabolism the body is going through.

  23. so you think by increasing dosage through out the cycle may help continue the gains while on PH. Sounds interesting enough to try it for my next six week cycle.

  24. Originally posted by CROWLER
    I am wondering you say gains usually stop after about 4 weeks.
    I say that because it seems to be the norm. It's not that they instantly stop, just that thay slow dramatically. I don't think an extra pound or two a week is worth the heavy shutdown from staying on longer, IMO.

    Originally posted by CROWLER
    It seems that with AS gains slow down dramatically after 8 to 12 weeks. BUT it seems more and more people are staying on at lower dosages for longer time. In this way the body becomes more 'used to' carrying the extra muscle and is less likely to lose it when you do the post cycle, cycle.

    Perhaps this could work with prohormones also.
    I'm sure it could, but again the shutdown is a factor.

    Originally posted by CROWLER
    Here is another thought for why the gains dramatically slow after approx 4 weeks on prohormones. Your body now posseses more muscle and therefor your body is creating more cortisol and is more catabolic.
    Possibly, but more likely it's your body becoming use to the extra androgens in your system and compensating for it by slowing your natural production, or halting it completely.

    Originally posted by CROWLER
    So you may need a higher level of prohormone to equal and EXCEED the new amount of muscle catabolism the body is going through.
    This would probably work, but I'm only assuming here.

  25. Originally posted by sctxms
    so you think by increasing dosage through out the cycle may help continue the gains while on PH. Sounds interesting enough to try it for my next six week cycle.
    Just so it is perfectly clear I am just guessing. I have NEVER done prohormones and am trying to learn. I have in the past done AS but no longer do them.

    I am just trying to logically think about the prohormones




    And thanks Draven.

  26. Well I know in the old days people used to pyrmiad AS because it was suppose to help your nature test start up again I think but increasing your dossage of ph on the fourt week for two may also work Hell is is definetly worth a try

  27. Well I know in the old days people used to pyrmiad AS because it was suppose to help your nature test start up again I think but increasing your dossage of ph on the fourt week for two may also work Hell is is definetly worth a try
    People used to pyramid because they didn't know what the hell they were doing. Pyramiding to help test improve is an old myth and simply is wrong. While upping ph might work...it would probably of been best just to use the higher dosage from the get go.
  

  
 

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