- 11-11-2005, 04:04 PM
I'm starting this cycle Nov. 13. Do you guys want a day to day update or a weekly update? This will be my second attempt at an oral cycle since my failed first attempt with E..Max. Prior experince with 1Test/4AD Transdermal.
Height= 6' 5.5"
Body Type= Mesomorph
Body Weight= 261lbs
Body Fat= 17%
Shoulders= 57 15/16"
Chest= 51" <---- Need Improvement
Arms= 18 1/4"
Legs= 26 1/8" <---- Need Improvement
Calves= 17 5/16" <---- Need Improvement
Weeks 1-3; 20,30,30 PP
Weeks 4-6; 20,30,30 SD
Weeks 7-10;50,50,25,25 RXT & 4 caps Fenotest
Universal Animal Pak
Ergopharm GF Pro
Twinlab Ultra Fuel
Flax Seed Oil
Celery Seed Extract
Diet is clean consisting of 5 whole food meals and 3 shakes. I do not count calories.
My training for the this cycle will be using a 8-12 rep range. 15-18sets for large body parts and 6-9 sets for small body parts.
- 11-11-2005, 04:29 PM
DAMN YOUR BIG! 6'5" 261?1?
well enjoy the cycle i loved it. if you have the funds i suggest you find some prostan or orastan for the cycle as it worked nicely for me.
personally id like to see a daily log.
and if you dont mind me asking are you maniak over at atomic? same avatar and its pretty unique.
either way goodluck bro ill be watching. if you got any ?'s id be happy to help.
- 11-11-2005, 04:39 PM
Originally Posted by poopypants
11-12-2005, 05:43 AM
11-12-2005, 07:15 AM
Could you expand on this part of your post? I'd like to know what you consider a failed cycle. Any bloodwork? Any idea on your BF%? Are you adding any extra food to your daily intake while cycling or are you just continuing along your typical intake pattern.Originally Posted by CyberMuscle
Anyway, goodluck with your cycle.
11-12-2005, 08:20 PM
Well i got through three days of an E...Max cycle till my blood pressure jumped up very high and started giving me constant headaches. Here is a linkOriginally Posted by jonny21
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle...x-lmg-log.html. Last time bodyfat was checked i was at 15% which was in April.I will get it checked monday morning for an accurate reading. Im not adding any extra food. This is my normal food intake
11-13-2005, 10:46 AM
Thanks for the info. I had a similar experience, with anavar though when I upped the dose. Constant headache, increased BP, pain in the upper right side of my neck. I lowered dose and increased Hawthorne berries. I have continued the amount of the Hawthorne and have since raised the dose of the anavar with no sides. Enough about me.Originally Posted by CyberMuscle
I wish you success with your cycle and look forward to follow your progress.
11-13-2005, 10:52 AM
I front loaded Hawthorn extract for 2 weeks before starting this cycle to try and minimize BP fluctuation.Thanks for the wishesOriginally Posted by jonny21
11-13-2005, 11:55 AM
you might want to consider using at least 30mg/PP. i ran the same cycle basically with 30mg/SD and 20mg/PP for 4 weeks. it went well, but i didn't really notice the PP doing much more than just superdrol did for me in the past. Plus, you've got 2 inches and 30 lbs on me.
just my .02
11-13-2005, 05:57 PM
You took them together? in the same 4 weeks?Originally Posted by chasec
well honestly i found the PP to be much stronger then SD by itself and i ran it at a 10/20/30/20 (only cause i was switching from PP to SD) but id suggest a 10/20/20/30 that way you still use the same amount as originally planned but you get to experience what PP has to offer at 30 mg. JMO
11-13-2005, 08:04 PM
I will be sticking to the 20mg dose atleast through the first week, if nothing is noticed then i will up the dose.I have a few bottles of PP so im not worried about running out.Originally Posted by chasec
11-13-2005, 08:07 PM
Day 1: Off Day
Well today was the first day on PP. I usually start new supps on an off day. Just one of my little rules. No problems as of yet. We will see what tomorrow holds. On what day did you guys start getting that ON feeling?
11-14-2005, 03:34 PM
seriously i started noticing small signs by day 4 and felt on before the end of the first week.Originally Posted by CyberMuscle
11-14-2005, 04:17 PM
Day:2 Shoulders & Triceps
What a workout. No weight increases but damn was i getting some serious pumps. I also noticed i was sweating alot more than usual.
11-14-2005, 04:21 PM
Cool, the reason i asked is because I either respond very well to a supplement or i totally do not respond at all. I seem to be getting some serious pumps from PP so hopefully i will get that ON feeling pretty soon.Originally Posted by poopypants
11-15-2005, 04:39 PM
Damn, You're big. Now what are you waiting for? Get HUGE!
11-15-2005, 04:45 PM
YEAH BUDDY! oh ya im the same way and i have to say PP kicked my ass in an extremely good way. I had insane pumps throughout the cycle w/o ever getting the nasty back pumps. Just wait n see how it goes week 3 n 4... OH YA!Originally Posted by CyberMuscle
11-15-2005, 05:16 PM
Cyber what exercises are you doing for your traps?
11-15-2005, 06:37 PM
Day3: Back & Traps
Weighed in at 263.4lbs. Another good workout. First time to do deadlifts in over a month and i still got 500lbs with no problem what so ever. I felt very energetic all day and i hardly fatigued at all during the workout. Im already liking PP, cant wait to see what wil come the following weeks.
11-15-2005, 06:44 PM
For traps i do 5 sets total. First 2 sets of front barbell shrugs, i use a 15-20 rep range on these.Second 2 sets of rear barbell shrugs, i use a 10-12 rep range. Third i do one drop set with dumbells doing 12 reps with each weight, 120,110,100. Just use the heaviest weight you can handle for X number of reps.Originally Posted by MrBiggs
11-15-2005, 09:06 PM
Hey man what's your BP like? Do you have a baseline on that? I'm prone to high BP on Emax like you, so I'd like to compare. I have pheraplex on my schedule sometime next year...
11-16-2005, 05:45 AM
Hey i just thought of something for ya in case your not allready doing so and that is i felt this had a glycogen storing effect much like SD and that by taking it with Carbs i got incredible pumps and in gym endurance that was unbelivable. hope that helps man!Originally Posted by CyberMuscle
11-16-2005, 09:24 AM
Im holding very stable on this cycle. I have been hovering around 118-120/ 70-73. I am going to keep tabs on my BP for the first week and if all is well , will probably just check it week by week from there on.Originally Posted by Grunt76
11-16-2005, 09:27 AM
Thnaks for the heads up. I have a pretty high intake of complex carbs in my diet anyway. I also supplement with a combo of simple/complex carbs during my workout. Just realized i didnt have that product in my supplement list.Originally Posted by poopypants
11-16-2005, 04:20 PM
Day 4: Legs
Well I believe I have the official ON feeling. I have loads of energy now. Decided to throw in hams with quads today I was feeling so good. So this weeks split is messed up now , but I will have it back on track next week. Poopypants did you seem to sweat more while on PP?
11-16-2005, 04:29 PM
ya at first but for the most part i dont sweat a ton either way and i was too blown away by the strength in the gym to really pay attention to anything else.
11-17-2005, 04:26 PM
Day 5: Chest
Weighed in at 265.8lbs. Havent noticed a big increase in strength yet but I have noticed a huge difference in recovery and overall energy. No sides noticed yet except for the increase in sweat production during my workouts.
11-18-2005, 05:10 PM
Day 6: Biceps & Forearms
Had a full body pump all day today. Chest was extremely pumped from yesterdays workout. Todays bicep workout was awesome, pump was extreme. Also im noticing that i have alot better mental focus while using PP. Since my recovery has been so good so far i have tweaked my training split to bring in more work for my legs, that seriously need some work. I have also decided to up my does of PP to 30mg a day and shorten this cycle by a week. Well im off to .
11-18-2005, 06:48 PM
Cyber what r u doing for cardio and are the pumps bothering while you do cardio?
11-18-2005, 07:23 PM
Not doing any cardio.Originally Posted by MrBiggs
11-19-2005, 10:53 PM
Day 7: Off Day
Weighed in at 268.2. Attempted legs today after tewaking my split and there is no way im going to be able to work legs twice a week. We home after first set of squats. Going back to old schedule. Cycle is going pretty good. So far I have gained 7lbs the first week with no sides. The increased sweating seems to have stoped. Forgot to note that in the last days update.
11-20-2005, 09:12 AM
11-21-2005, 03:27 PM
Day 9: Shoulders
Weighed in at 270lbs Todays workout was probably the best shoulder workout i have had in a long time. Endurance was through the roof.
11-21-2005, 10:14 PM
Cyber have u always taken 3days off during the week? I find taking 3days off is too much for me anyway. i like the continuous pump even though i know ur body needs a break.
11-22-2005, 05:41 PM
I swap from taking 3 days off a week to two days off a week every once and a while. I hust felt like takin an extra day off considering im moving heavire weight than usual for my body to repair itself and keep from having joint problems mid cycle.Originally Posted by MrBiggs
11-22-2005, 05:45 PM
Day 10: Legs
Pretty good workout. Started off slow but got good after warming up on squats. Added a rep to what was my max squat, 385lbs for 2reps. This week is going to be off yet again since my gym is closed on thanksgiving. Will be doing chest tommorrow instead of thursday.
11-23-2005, 06:43 PM
Day 11: Chest
Weighed in at 273lbs. Average workout but still having great pumps.
11-24-2005, 06:51 PM
Im considering doing a similar cycle soon. But what is your logic on starting with PP then moving on to SD? I hope I dont sound critical in any way Im just curious.
It just seems SD takes longer to kick in for me and the sides start bugging me around the 2nd week ...It sounds like PP kicks in pretty fast (by the end of the first week) where SD takes a little longer for me to notice any real progress.
Poopypants chime in if you want.
11-24-2005, 07:02 PM
You know it man!Originally Posted by ryano
na dude i uderstand your thinking completely and it makes sense so heres some things to think about. one do you want to use your fresh receptors with the PP or SD? (i would choose PP). also you have the option of overlapping the 2. (i did this and so have a few others but this is not something that i would suggest since there is not testing done yet as to wether or not its healthy to do so, ill leave this one up to you). and then there is the option to bridge the 2 with a non methyl (preferably a mild one like prostan opposed to max lmg or finig x) in order to make up for the time it takes SD to kick in.
personally i think sd kicks in fairly quickly as far as strength goes but most dont see the mass gains till a couple weeks in. JMO.
either way you choose to stack them itll be a great combo and your sure to see results. i wouldnt mind seeing a couple logs on it ran that way either for a comparison.
11-24-2005, 07:07 PM
The only logic i used for using PP first is basically because it has a higher androgenic value than superdrol.Originally Posted by ryano
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