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Ok guys. I am confused.. [which is normal for me..]
last night at the gym this conversation came up after our workout.
These guys are talking about doing 14-20 week cycles! And from what I have been reading on the boards this is the thinking of the day. Since I have never have done any aas or even ph cycle I might be out of line. But here is my observations of the last 20 years of training with some top level amateur and national competitors.
1. 15 years ago cycles were 4-8 weeks. Stacking was almost non-exsistent .. a stacking cycle was usually a test product with a cut product ie..winstrol thrown in at the last 4-6 weeks. this was rare. It was usually a bulk cycle then off , then a cut cycle..
2. We had No PCT...Yes you would pick up Nolva in case of bitch tits. But you didn't use it unless symptoms occurred.Guys who complained of teste shut down were the ones who never came off a cycle..We made fun of these guys..Because when they were forced to come off,they shrunk down to nothing and so did their ego's..
3. We had no GH or igf..Way too expensive or it couldn't be found.
4. There was no creatine,whey protien, prohormones, mrp's or really anything of value to help support your training. When Hott Stuff came out everyone was buzzing.. for the young guys Hott Stuff was basically every supp. on the market at the time rolled into one..
5. Training phylosiphy at the time 3 days on one off. 20-30 sets per body part. This was for non natural and natural BB'ers..So we overtrained big time..
Now here is what i DON'T UNDERSTAND...Please guys don't be angry with me only telling it as I see it.
With all of the advancements in training,nutrition, drugs etc..Why are the average gym rats of old Bigger with less sides then the ones of today? I look at the guys who are "on" in my gym today and guys on these boards talking about 20 week cycles..and they weigh 200-215 maybe 225..at 6' tall or better. some guys are sub 200 lbs. at 5'10 and up..If you are 6' tall and you weigh 180 and are training .. and using.. something is not right..I never remember guys 15-20 years ago who were cycling walking around 6' 190lbs ..more like 6' 260 with abs..That was common.. Guys doing 16 week cycles and got their bench up to 250!![read posts here and elsewhere] I was doing that for 8 reps when I was 16 .. NO Drugs..So here is my conculsions:
1. Todays drugs are not as strong as the ones 20 years ago. since they are knock off labs.
2. The cycle times are way too long..causing teste shutdown and other sides..
3. Guys today are not putting in enough clean time at getting big before starting their first cycle. [ I want to be big now not 4 years from now.] Hence never realizing their true potential because what they have is built like a house of cards. Need a strong foundation to build a big house..
The reason I am asking about cycle time is I am seriously considering my FIRST cycle. After 22 years of training. Sorry I got on my soapbox.. Just want to see why cycle times have changed so much... someone please splain...
Oh.. and if anyone took offense at my observations. ie smaller gym rats of today.. I wasn't trying to offend. I just want to know if anyone else thinks these cycle times are too long.And please if you are 180 lbs. soak and wet at 6' please don't give advice on this matter. You probably need to take advice not give..
last night at the gym this conversation came up after our workout.
These guys are talking about doing 14-20 week cycles! And from what I have been reading on the boards this is the thinking of the day. Since I have never have done any aas or even ph cycle I might be out of line. But here is my observations of the last 20 years of training with some top level amateur and national competitors.
1. 15 years ago cycles were 4-8 weeks. Stacking was almost non-exsistent .. a stacking cycle was usually a test product with a cut product ie..winstrol thrown in at the last 4-6 weeks. this was rare. It was usually a bulk cycle then off , then a cut cycle..
2. We had No PCT...Yes you would pick up Nolva in case of bitch tits. But you didn't use it unless symptoms occurred.Guys who complained of teste shut down were the ones who never came off a cycle..We made fun of these guys..Because when they were forced to come off,they shrunk down to nothing and so did their ego's..
3. We had no GH or igf..Way too expensive or it couldn't be found.
4. There was no creatine,whey protien, prohormones, mrp's or really anything of value to help support your training. When Hott Stuff came out everyone was buzzing.. for the young guys Hott Stuff was basically every supp. on the market at the time rolled into one..
5. Training phylosiphy at the time 3 days on one off. 20-30 sets per body part. This was for non natural and natural BB'ers..So we overtrained big time..
Now here is what i DON'T UNDERSTAND...Please guys don't be angry with me only telling it as I see it.
With all of the advancements in training,nutrition, drugs etc..Why are the average gym rats of old Bigger with less sides then the ones of today? I look at the guys who are "on" in my gym today and guys on these boards talking about 20 week cycles..and they weigh 200-215 maybe 225..at 6' tall or better. some guys are sub 200 lbs. at 5'10 and up..If you are 6' tall and you weigh 180 and are training .. and using.. something is not right..I never remember guys 15-20 years ago who were cycling walking around 6' 190lbs ..more like 6' 260 with abs..That was common.. Guys doing 16 week cycles and got their bench up to 250!![read posts here and elsewhere] I was doing that for 8 reps when I was 16 .. NO Drugs..So here is my conculsions:
1. Todays drugs are not as strong as the ones 20 years ago. since they are knock off labs.
2. The cycle times are way too long..causing teste shutdown and other sides..
3. Guys today are not putting in enough clean time at getting big before starting their first cycle. [ I want to be big now not 4 years from now.] Hence never realizing their true potential because what they have is built like a house of cards. Need a strong foundation to build a big house..
The reason I am asking about cycle time is I am seriously considering my FIRST cycle. After 22 years of training. Sorry I got on my soapbox.. Just want to see why cycle times have changed so much... someone please splain...
Oh.. and if anyone took offense at my observations. ie smaller gym rats of today.. I wasn't trying to offend. I just want to know if anyone else thinks these cycle times are too long.And please if you are 180 lbs. soak and wet at 6' please don't give advice on this matter. You probably need to take advice not give..