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    Superdrol cycle log (no stack, straight SD)


    Okay, so I've done a few journals on another site (bb.com), and they’re always well-received, but I don’t get the high-quality feedback people get on this site. I’m a bb.com refugee.

    So here goes.

    My stats:
    I'm 34, about 5' 11", 172# right now. I look very lean, like an off-season triathlete, probably about 12-14% bodyfat. I’m ectomorphic, but not 100% ecto. I stay very lean, and LBM is very hard to gain without an equal or greater amount of fat, no matter how clean I eat. Just cut down from about 176 to about 172 in about 1 1/2 months. Just wanted to lose some fat pre-cycle.

    I was a distance runner and played some baseball, and I have only ever trained for those sports. Speed and quickness, and some functional strength, but no need for size.

    I don’t really give a crap about size - my programs are always more about strength. But I am a personal trainer, and sadly , it would actually boost my business to simply be larger. I like the weight I’m at, but it would help my income to add a few pounds. Yes, I know I could do this though diet and proper training. I do my best, but my body generally rejects my efforts to add LBM.

    Past cycles:
    I did a 1-test/4ad transderm cycle (forget exactly how many mgs and the progression) about 8 months ago. PCT’d with Nolva. Went from about 165 to 175, with some fat gain. I did another cycle before that - I forget exactly.

    My program for this cycle:
    Did powerlifting programs for a while - loved them, but they drained my CNS something fierce.

    I’ve been doing a more traditional bb’ing style program structure lately, and I like it, so I’ll just keep it up. The split is not set in stone, since my schedule varies, but I do as much as I can, when I can.

    My sets – almost always 3. 3 or 4 exercises for big parts, 1 or 2 for bis and calves. Mainly compound stuff, though more iso work lately for bis and tris.

    Rep progression is 15-10-5. On sets #1 and 2, I just do 15 reps, then 10 reps, both roughly 1-3 reps shy of failure. On set #3, I go for it. Pick a 5-6RM and max out. I’ll do a 4th set if I can hit a higher intensity, but very rarely.

    Cardio:
    I often do 30 minutes of 50-60% intensity (based on MHR) after my resistance training. I also do sprints (HIIT-style) about once/week. Sometimes more often, sometimes less. I plan to continue this on cycle, though I might have to split the cardio from the weights in order to accommodate the post-wo meal more quickly.

    Diet:
    My diet is always pretty tight. Roughly 35/45/20 to 35/50/15. About 2000-2400 kcals/day.
    * Carbs. Very little sugar – all my carbs are complex (except for fruit). Lots of brown rice, oats, bread – the standards.
    * Protein is turkey breast, eggs, chicken, lean ground beef. Dairy. Tons of non-fat CC.
    * Fats are from PB and egg yolks, mainly, and incidental fats from lean meat.

    My diet ain’t perfect, but it’s fine. For my cycle, I’ll be adding some kcals to each meal, mainly from proteins and fats, and tons of water. I'll probably add some BCAAs and other protein sources, as well. I'll eat as if it's a slow bulk.

    Current 1RMs:
    Squat: 300 (roughly)
    Dead: 385
    Bench: 175? (I have no idea, but I know it's weak.)

    And we'll see what happens.

    Next post is about the SD cycle.
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    Cycle and supps


    This cycle:
    The cycle will be 4 weeks (unless sides are a problem).
    Week 1: 10mg
    Week 2: 10mg+ (20 mg if no impact from 10mg)
    Week 3: “
    Week 4: “

    Other supps during cycle:
    Multi
    Red Yeast Rice
    Saw Palmetto
    CoQ10
    Fish Oil caps
    Pro Liver
    Glutamine
    Flax oil
    BCAAs
    Glucosamine (probably)
    HMB
    DHEA


    PCT
    All those same supps, plus:
    Nolva
    Creatine Mono

    I feel like I'm forgetting something. I'll edit if necessary.
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    i'll watch your cycle.

    what are your goals?

    your calorie consumption would indicate this is an aggressive cutting cycle. 2000calories is not a slow bulk my friend.
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    My advice is to eat more.
    For me, I saw a reduction of BF and still built muscle on Superdrol.
    Went up a couple of pounds and lost 1-2% BF.


    ate 4000+ calories and dropped BF.
    that was my first cycle at least, the second one wasn't half as good.
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    I would definately up the cals. Looks solid otherwise, will you be taking measurements/pics before after?
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    I wasn't crystal clear. I'm at 2000-2400 kcals/day now, and I intend to increase that a bit. That said, I may very well need to increase that more, and I'm happy to do that. It's all about maxing out the LBM gain for me without looking soft.

    My sensativity to that, of course, is that previous bulks, even slow bulks, have been pretty fatty. I can gain LBM, but slowly, and with a healthy amount of fat attached.

    I bulked once before on about 4000-4400/day, and that went well, but was 2# of fat for every # of LBM (when I finished my post-bulk cut). That was a fairly clean cut, but not an A+ diet. Sodium was up, and carbs were fairly processed.

    Then I bulked more recently on about 3000-3200, VERY clean, and gained a little LBM, but again: fat gain came with it.

    So my question for you guys:
    So given that 2000-2400 is roughly a maintenance total for me, how much would Superdrol add to STAY at maintenance?

    Then I can add 250-500/day to make it a bulk.

    measurements/pics before after?
    Yes. I should. Measurements, at least. Pics can be deceiving.

    I weighed in at 172 this morning.
    upper arms: 14"
    forearms: 12"
    thighs (at mid point) 21.5"
    calves: 14"/14.75"

    It's funny, I know those numbers are small, but I don't look small. I suck.

    Cued eveyrthing up in my pill boxes last night. I'll start the cycle on Monday, when I'm done with weekend crap and can start with a series of gym days. I'll be on everything BUT the SD starting today.
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    I think you'd do SUPER well by adding p-GH or oratropin to this cycle. It would skew your gains towards LBM big time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CEDeoudes59
    My advice is to eat more.
    For me, I saw a reduction of BF and still built muscle on Superdrol.
    Went up a couple of pounds and lost 1-2% BF.


    ate 4000+ calories and dropped BF.
    that was my first cycle at least, the second one wasn't half as good.
    I seem to recall you eating cheesecake and losing bf on sd
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    ha carrot cake, second time around it definitely didn't work
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    Quote Originally Posted by ss01
    I think you'd do SUPER well by adding p-GH or oratropin to this cycle. It would skew your gains towards LBM big time.
    I haven't read much about oratropin - will research. About p-GH, all I've ever heard is pretty anecdotal, and somewhat fuzzy. People report sleeping better, "feeling" leaner (but never giving specifics), enhanced mood, etc., but nothing really solid.

    Anything anyone can share would be great, and will do a search myself.

    I did, as a side note, pick up BCAAs and HMB today, and will be adding those both to cycle and PCT.
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    Day 0 - starting later today for PM workout


    Weight: 172 this morning (and yesterday, and last week, so it's stable)

    Split: something like this, subject to change based on DOMS and scheduling:
    Day 1: Chest/Tris
    Day 2: Back/Traps/Bis
    Day 3: Hams/Calves
    Day 4: Bis/Tris (optional)
    Day 5: Delts/Quads
    - with rest days tossed in whenever. Don't worry - it won't be more than 5x/week, more likely 4x.

    I was going to add a sample workout, but I do them a little differently every time, so no point in showing one exercise list.
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    9/9/05: Day 1


    Chest:
    Flat BB Press: 95 x 15, 115 x 10, 135 x 5, 6
    Incline DB Press: 40 x 15, 50 x 10, 60 x 6
    Pec Dec: 60 x 15, 80 x 10, 100 x 6
    Flat DB Fly: 25 x 15, 32.5 x 10, 10 x 6
    Tris:
    Lying Tri Ext: 17.5 x 15, 25 x 10, 32.5 x 8
    Bench Dips: bw x 15, +45# x 10, +90# x 10
    Rope Push Downs: 90 x 15, 110 x 10, 130 x 7

    Ate the first SD (10 mg) about 60 minutes before the first rep.

    After weights, did 30 minutes at about 120 bpm on the elliptical. About 60% for me.

    Then ate a banana, sucked down the BCAAs, about 5g of glutamine, then a bigger meal. Maybe 400 kcals of protein and complex carbs.

    Feel fine. Normal.
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    9/10/05: Day 2


    Back:
    Close Grip Pull Down: 105 x 15, 135 x 10, 165 x 7
    Wide Grip Row: 105x 15, 125 x 11, 150 x 8
    BB Rows: 135 x 12, 155 x 10, 165 x 7, 175 x 5
    Bis:
    BB Curl: 45 x 15, 60 x 10, 70 x 5, 65 x 3 (strict form)
    Cable Curl: 50 x 15, 70 x 12, 90 x 9
    Hammer Curls: 25 x 15, 30 x 10, 40 x 7, 50 x 5
    Traps:
    BB Shrugs: 135 x 20, 185 x 15, 225 x 10

    Ate the first SD (10 mg) about 60 minutes before the first rep.

    No cardio today. Cooled down, went home, made some eggs (6 whites, 2 yolks) and toast (2 slices).

    Will take the BCAAs in a few minutes, as well as the glutamine. More food in a couple hours.

    Feel fine. Normal. Good pumps, but nothing amazing.
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    9/11/05: Day 3


    warm ups not listed, but always done.

    Hams:
    Good Mornings: 135 x 15, 185 x 10, 225 x 7, 5
    SLDLs: 135x 15, 225 x 10, 275 x 5
    45^ Hypers: bw x 15, +25# x 10, +45# x 10
    Lying Leg Curls: 2 sets, cool down
    Calves:
    Standing raise: 100 x 15, 200 x 15, 300 x 15, 400 x 15, 500 x 15, 100 x 15,

    Ate the SD (10 mg) about 30 minutes before the first rep.

    No cardio today. Cooled down, got some Chipotle, came home to rest. Still taking the BCAAs about 30-60 minutes post-wo.

    I feel good. Can't say I feel any effects from the SD, but I might. I need to see if what I feel today is consistent, or just a fluke.
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    So have you had time to find out about p-GH and oratropin? Will you be adding them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ss01
    So have you had time to find out about p-GH and oratropin? Will you be adding them?
    I've been doing some reading, but certainly not enough quality research to just add them to the cycle I started. Injectables would be a new experience for me. I've only every done transderms and orals, so jumping to the inj. group would be a whole new ballgame. Not something I'll do without quite a bit of confidence in what I'm taking.

    Ther oratropin links I've been reading are decent, but they're overwhelmingly people like me in the early phases of usage, and not much good science or even good anecdotes. Same with P-PH, though I haven't found much solid clinical work on those.

    Anything you can share would be appreciated. So far I've just been googling both terms, and reading everything. Various massmonsterz/US forum links, forums from the UK, etc.

    If SD works for me, this won't be my last cycle, and I would consider adding other things to subsequent rounds with SD.
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    Day 4: 9/12/05


    Cardio:
    Did about 15 minutes of plyometrics (box jumps of various types), then 30 minutes on an elliptical at about 55-60% MHR.

    No weights today.
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    Day 5 9/13/05


    warm ups not listed, but always done.

    Bis:
    Pull Ups: 3 x 5 for warm up
    BB Curls: 45 x 15, 55 x 15, 65 x 10, 65 x 15
    Preachers: 4 x 15

    Tris:
    CGBP: 95 x 15, 115 x 10, 135 x 5
    Dips: 3 x 10
    Supinated Ext.: 90 x 15, 110 x 10, 130 x 7

    Took my SD (10 mg) about 20 minutes before the first rep.

    Did 30 minutes of varied cardio - all about 50-60% of MHR. Took the BCAAs post-wo.

    Feel good - good feeling in the bis. Still can't say the SD is impacting anything, but it's only day 5 and 10mg/day.
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    Day 6: 9/14/05


    warm ups not listed, but always done.

    Quads:
    Front Squats: 95 x 10, 135 x 5 (stopped due to discomfort in wrists)
    Leg Press: 360 x 10, 450 x 10, 540 x 10, 630 x 10
    Smith Squats: 10, 7, 7
    Leg Ext: 110 x 10, 145 x 10, 160 x 10

    Delts:
    Smith Military Press: 50 x 10, 60 x 10, 70 x 8 (drop set: 50 x 7)
    DB Press: 35 x 10, 40 x 10, 40 x 13
    Up. Row.: 45 x 10, 65 x 10, 85 x 10
    Hang Cleans: 85 x 10, 95 x 10

    Went to 20mg SD today. 10mg early am, 10 mg post-workout. Wanted to workout later and take the 2nd 10mg pre-workout, but the timing didn't work out.

    Did 20 minutes of cardio - all about 50% of MHR. Took the BCAAs post-wo.

    One of the better delt workouts in a while. Mediocre quad workout.
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    Day 8: 9/16/05


    Chest:
    Decline BB Press: 95 x 15, 115 x 10, 135 x 10, 155 x 5
    Flat DB Press: 50 x 15, 60 x 10, 70 x 5
    Incline Pec Fly: 22.5 x 15, 27.5 x 10, 35 x 8
    Supinated Cable Fly: 20 x 15, 25 x 10, 30 x 7
    Tris:
    Very CGBP: 95 x 12, 115 x 7, 125 x 3 + 2 ???
    Supinated Tri Push Downs: 80 x 15, 100 x 10, 120 x 7
    Tri Push Downs: drop setted from 120 x 10 down to 90 x 5
    French Presses: 15 x 15, 20 x 10, 25 x 9

    I'm on 20mg/day now of SD. One early AM, another pore-workout. Today the pre-wo was about 60 minutes before the first rep.

    After weights, did 10 minutes cardio to cool down, then home to eat. Took the BCAAs, about 5g of glutamine, then a meal. Maybe 400 kcals of protein and complex carbs. Whole grain pasta with ground turkey breast meat.
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    Day 9: 9/17/05


    Back:
    Pull Downs: 90 x 11, 120 x 11, 150 x 11, 155 x 11
    1-Arm Hammer Rows: 45 x 11, 60 x 11, 70 x 11
    T-Bar Rows: 45 x 11, 70 x 11, 80 x 12
    Traps:
    BB Shrugs: 135 x 15, 225 x 12, 275 x 10, 135 x 20
    Bis:

    Rev BB Curl: 45 x 15, 60 x 10, 65 x 11
    Db Alt. Curls: 30 x 12, 30 x 12, 35 x 10
    Preach. Machine Curls: 12, 10

    Ate the 2nd SD (10 mg) about 30 minutes before the first rep.

    No cardio today. Cooled down, went home, ate.

    BCAAs post-wo.
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    if you want to research oratropin look at IGF-1 and Buccal absorbtion. It's like the inj types of igf-1 but made for buccal absorbtion. You'll be hard pressed to find any other product on the market using buccal absorbtion, it's definately a niche market.

    But, definately to late to add for this current cycle
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    Quote Originally Posted by doggzj
    if you want to research oratropin look at IGF-1 and Buccal absorbtion. It's like the inj types of igf-1 but made for buccal absorbtion. You'll be hard pressed to find any other product on the market using buccal absorbtion, it's definately a niche market.

    But, definately to late to add for this current cycle.
    interesting -I'll check it out.

    Thanks.
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    try adding sesamin (taken with fish oil) to help prevent fat gain. it makes a world of difference with me at only 1g/day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wanker527
    try adding sesamin (taken with fish oil) to help prevent fat gain. it makes a world of difference with me at only 1g/day.
    I hear some decent things now and then about sesamin (and sesathin) but nothing real definitive about sesamin in clinical trials and studies.

    BUT, it's one I'm happy to add now, since it's easy to get and so harmless, even if it's completely useless.

    On my SD cycle, I'm not going massively hypercaloric. I've increased my calories, but not more than about 500-750/day over my previous levels. I know this contrasts with some suggestions that calories must be massively increased, but I'm feeling that that plan would negate my ability to quantitatively analyze SD as a whole, if my gains (in theory) could also simply be attributed to a giant bump in intake. I want my intake higher, to account for the bulk itself, but I don't intend to go hog wild.

    Anyway, FYI to all following this little cycle journal.
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    Day 10: 9/18/05


    Rest day. No weights, no cardio.
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    A friend of mine the same age as yourself, just ended a superdrol cycle, he said his appetite went through the roof, I saw him the other day and he was leaner that when he started, he gained 15 lbs in four weeks, it is a fine line when on super if u r not getting enough calories, dont short change yourself, good luck keep us posted...........
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    Quote Originally Posted by RipdnTxs
    A friend of mine the same age as yourself, just ended a superdrol cycle, he said his appetite went through the roof, I saw him the other day and he was leaner that when he started, he gained 15 lbs in four weeks, it is a fine line when on super if u r not getting enough calories, dont short change yourself, good luck keep us posted...........
    I'll keep that in mind.

    So you know what dosage he was flying with? I did 10mg for the first 5 days, then 20mg through present. Do you know what your buddy found success with? I hear lots of suggestions, but few are from people in our age group, with our slightly more inhibited metabolic rates.
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    Day 11: 9/19/05


    warm ups not listed, but always done.

    Hams:
    45^ Hypers: bw x 12, 12
    Good Mornings:
    135 x 8, 185 x 8, 225 x 8, 275 x 8
    SLDLs: 135x 15, 225 x 10, 315 x 5
    Seated Leg Curls: 3 sets

    Calves:
    Standing raise: 100 x 10, 200 x 10, 300 x 10, 400 x 10, 100 x 15,

    Evening workout. First SD in early AM, 2nd about 30 minutes before the first rep.

    No cardio today. Cooled down, went home to rest.
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    Great post Zack !

    How is your bodyweight/LBM responding to the SD cycle ?

    Feeling any bad side efects ?

    Keep on the good work !!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bombas
    Great post Zack !

    How is your bodyweight/LBM responding to the SD cycle ?

    Feeling any bad side efects ?

    Keep on the good work !!!
    Feel no sides, notice no ill-effects. I also don't feel especially dehydrated, or any effects on my water levels.

    My BW has increased a tiny bit, but I'm also more hypercaloric than I was pre-cycle, so the weight increase could be attributed directly to that. Not trying to be skeptical of the SD - just pointing out the more likely cause of the weight increase.

    LBM might be up a tiny bit. But I'm not weighing myself constantly or doing bf% every day - don't want to get sucked into an infatuation with the numbers. I'll do the cycle, do the diet, and just see where it leaves me.
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    I saw that friend again yesterday, he started out at 10 mg. for three days, then went to 20 mg. for a total of 4.5 weeks, he gained 18 lbs. not 15,( the bastard) like I stated earlier, the gains r about to really kick in for ya....
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZackMurphy
    warm ups not listed, but always done.

    Hams:
    Good Mornings: 135 x 15, 185 x 10, 225 x 7, 5
    SLDLs: 135x 15, 225 x 10, 275 x 5
    45^ Hypers: bw x 15, +25# x 10, +45# x 10
    Lying Leg Curls: 2 sets, cool down
    Calves:
    Standing raise: 100 x 15, 200 x 15, 300 x 15, 400 x 15, 500 x 15, 100 x 15,

    Ate the SD (10 mg) about 30 minutes before the first rep.

    No cardio today. Cooled down, got some Chipotle, came home to rest. Still taking the BCAAs about 30-60 minutes post-wo.

    I feel good. Can't say I feel any effects from the SD, but I might. I need to see if what I feel today is consistent, or just a fluke.
    Zack,

    Try takign the SD about an hour or so before you lift. I started doing this about the 2nd week and started seeing huge gains.
    When i took it about 30 minutes out, it always seem to kick in about the last 15 minutes of my workout. I switched to about an hour out from my workout and loved it.

    Just a suggestion. Good luck with your cycle bud
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    Quote Originally Posted by RipdnTxs
    I saw that friend again yesterday, he started out at 10 mg. for three days, then went to 20 mg. for a total of 4.5 weeks, he gained 18 lbs. not 15,( the bastard) like I stated earlier, the gains r about to really kick in for ya....
    Good to hear. As a generally lean guy, athletic but ectomorphic, it's tough to add LBM.

    I did the 10mg for 5 days, and 20mg since then. And I have upped the kcals over my pre-cycle levels. About 250-1000/day. Varies.

    Quote Originally Posted by Warthog
    Zack,

    Try takign the SD about an hour or so before you lift. I started doing this about the 2nd week and started seeing huge gains.
    When i took it about 30 minutes out, it always seem to kick in about the last 15 minutes of my workout. I switched to about an hour out from my workout and loved it.

    Just a suggestion. Good luck with your cycle bud
    Thanks. I will try that. I've been ranging from 10-30 minutes lately (pre-workout SD dose), and feeling good (today especially), but nothing spectacular. I'll try to take it a little earlier.

    I also tend to work out around noon, so the first 10mg has been in my body for about 4-6 hours by then.

    Thanks for the info and support.
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    warm ups not listed, but always done.

    Tris:
    CGBP: 95 x 15, 115 x 10, 135 x 7, 7
    Skulls: 55 x 15, 65 x 10, 75 x 10, 85 x 6
    Tri Ext.: 100 x 15, 120 x 10, 140 x 12 (these are good numbers for me)

    Bis:

    BB Curls: 45 x 15, 65 x 15, 75 x 10, 85 x 6 Also good sets
    Preachers: 45 x 15, 65 x 10, 75 x 5

    17 sets. A very nice little workout. CGBPs and skulls were good, tricep extensions were solid. Good pumps, which are always fun.

    Still going on 20mg/day, plus the boatload of others supps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZackMurphy
    warm ups not listed, but always done.

    Tris:
    CGBP: 95 x 15, 115 x 10, 135 x 7, 7
    Skulls: 55 x 15, 65 x 10, 75 x 10, 85 x 6
    Tri Ext.: 100 x 15, 120 x 10, 140 x 12 (these are good numbers for me)

    Bis:

    BB Curls: 45 x 15, 65 x 15, 75 x 10, 85 x 6 Also good sets
    Preachers: 45 x 15, 65 x 10, 75 x 5

    17 sets. A very nice little workout. CGBPs and skulls were good, tricep extensions were solid. Good pumps, which are always fun.

    Still going on 20mg/day, plus the boatload of others supps.
    those are some pretty good numbers, so far, what is your overall thoughts of SD?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SVTMuscle
    those are some pretty good numbers, so far, what is your overall thoughts of SD?
    Thanks.

    Too early to tell. I feel I'm on the verge of seeing some SD gains, but not sure yet. We'll see what continues.
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    warm ups not listed, but always done.

    Delts:
    Smith Military Press: 50 x 10, 70 x 8, 70 x 8
    Up. Row.: 65 x 15, 85 x 12, 95 x 12
    Front Raises (thumbs up): 12.5 x 15, 17.5 x 10, 22.5 x 10, 12

    Quads:
    Squats: 135 x 10, 185 x 10, 225 x 10 (went light today)

    Calves:
    Standing Raises: 3 x 12-14

    Worked out early today, and took the SD about 75 minutes before the first rep. Delts were first, and they felt AMAZING. Not sure if it was the SD, but I can only assume it was. Warthog - thanks for the suggestion.

    Went light on legs today. My quads have not been recovering well during the past couple months, so I'm going easy.
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    Day 14: 9/22/05


    Rest day. 20mg of SD in 2 doses, no exercise. Maybe some cardio, but I doubt it.
  

  
 

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