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    Okay, question:

    I'm thinking of increasing my dosage to 30mg/day because:

    1. I'm not feeling any of the diuretic effects of SD, and it's certainly one of the primary indicators of its efficacy. No significant water loss or increased thirst, perhaps I need another 10mg/day to get things moving? No increased appetite, no increased urination or thirst. I've been drinking more, but that is a conscious decision.

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    2. Not really feeling much else, either. I've been on 20mg/day for 8+ days. Some good workout pumps and some good feels, but the other SD stories, anecdotes and logs are much more dramatic than this. I do feel a little bit of a gain, but... is it the SD or the increased calories? From my experiences with calorie increases of this size, it's hard to say.



    What do you all think? I don't want to over-SD or take more than I need, but geez. Where the mad gains at?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZackMurphy
    Okay, question:

    I'm thinking of increasing my dosage to 30mg/day because:

    1. I'm not feeling any of the diuretic effects of SD, and it's certainly one of the primary indicators of its efficacy. No significant water loss or increased thirst, perhaps I need another 10mg/day to get things moving? No increased appetite, no increased urination or thirst. I've been drinking more, but that is a conscious decisionI would not say that the diuretic effect is an indicator. I have run SD 2 times. Both @ max of 20mg/day. First time, 3 weeks @ 20mg/day: No diuretic effect, ~300kcals over maintenance gained an increase of size of ~1" on measurements, ~10lbs (8 of which I kept). Just finished 2nd run @ 20mg/day, but it was not SD alone. I started with E-max, but switched to SD s'dary to poor results. Increase of 8lbs, just above maintenance. In 1st week PCT, let you know what is kept.

    2. Not really feeling much else, either. I've been on 20mg/day for 8+ days. Some good workout pumps and some good feels, but the other SD stories, anecdotes and logs are much more dramatic than this. I do feel a little bit of a gain, but... is it the SD or the increased calories? From my experiences with calorie increases of this size, it's hard to say.



    What do you all think? I don't want to over-SD or take more than I need, but geez. Where the mad gains at?
    Stick it out for another week @ 20mg. My gains were above what I would expect from the amount of additional Kcals to diet taking 20mg/day. Do you take in any nutrition Pre-workout?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonny21
    Do you take in any nutrition Pre-workout?
    I always take in something, usually 20-30g protein, 25-50g CHO, minimum or no fats, usually 20-60 minutes pre-wo depending on my schedule. The values vary because it's rarely a shake - almost always real food.

    And post-wo, something similar, but higher GI. Non-fat again. Then another meal, more substantial, about 2 hours later.
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    Sample Diet


    First off, the file is NOT ZIPPED. I just changed the extension. Change it back to .xls to open it. My WinZip is acting up today.

    Okay, so here's a sample day. This is not an actual day, so please don't look meal by meal for small corrections. But this is the type of stuff I eat, and the macronutrient ratio is pretty accurate. I probably get a little more fat than this, but not much more. I just don't each much fat, even when I try, and I have to add egg yolks or tacos to increase it. If I eat out (food), it's usually Mexican. (Add your own joke about "eating out Mexicans" here.) Chicken tacos, stuff like that.

    My workout time varies, but I shift these kinds of meals around to get the right kinds of foods pre and post-workout. Usually, I work out mid-day, so by then I've had 2-3 meals.

    So for the record.

    And this is probably pretty close on the kcals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZackMurphy
    First off, the file is NOT ZIPPED. I just changed the extension. Change it back to .xls to open it. My WinZip is acting up today.

    Okay, so here's a sample day. This is not an actual day, so please don't look meal by meal for small corrections. But this is the type of stuff I eat, and the macronutrient ratio is pretty accurate. I probably get a little more fat than this, but not much more. I just don't each much fat, even when I try, and I have to add egg yolks or tacos to increase it. If I eat out (food), it's usually Mexican. (Add your own joke about "eating out Mexicans" here.) Chicken tacos, stuff like that.

    My workout time varies, but I shift these kinds of meals around to get the right kinds of foods pre and post-workout. Usually, I work out mid-day, so by then I've had 2-3 meals.

    So for the record.

    And this is probably pretty close on the kcals.
    Just asked about pre-workout cause I didn't see during the rest of thread and I think CHO's are an important macro in SD cycles. Glad to see you include them.
    I had modest gains on SD on 2 seperate occasions, modest compared to 15-20lbs in 3 weeks I read about. But both cycles have been been with kcals ~300kcals-500kcals above maintenance. I was looking for as lean of gains as possible. 1st was 3 weeks @ 20mg/day. +10lbs at end of week 3, +8lbs 3 weeks later (~14% BF). All increases of measurements remained same. Did ~3 weeks of maintenance Kcals while on Prostanazol 75mg/day, measurements remained stable except for waist -1.5", BF11% using 3 point caliper measurement @ my gym.
    Just finished an aborted e-max cycle(poor gains, increased sides) with 3 weeks of SD. again modest but impressive gains which I also expect to keep ~6-8lbs (pretty sure 2 of the 8 was E-max). Focused more on legs, increase 3/4", calves up 1/2". I did no cardio during either. I did mostly low rep(4-8) heavier, compound exercises, but finished body parts with higher rep(15-20) lighter, isolation exercises.
    Considering I should have been catabolic with my caloric intake as it was , I am most impressed with SD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonny21
    I had modest gains on SD on 2 seperate occasions....
    Good info. Good anecdotes.

    I'm also dropping some cardio now - feeling lean enough to get through the cycle, and I can always up my cardio after PCT, and drop the easy fat.
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    Day 15: 9/23/05


    Chest:
    Incline BB Press: 95 x 15, 115 x 10, 135 x 5
    Decline DB Press: 40 x 15, 50 x 10, 60 x 8
    Pec Fly: 25 x 15, 35 x 10, 45 x 6
    Pec Deck: 70 x 15, 90 x 10, 110 x 5

    Tris:
    Extensions: 15, 10, 5
    Skulls: bar + 30 x 15, 50 x 10, 60 x 7

    10mg early AM, 10mg about 75 minutes pre-workout.

    After weights, did 10 minutes cardio to cool down, then home to eat. Took the BCAAs, then a meal.
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    So far, I feel a slight size gain, but little else. I'll keep going though. My only issue now is whether I should bump myself to 30mg/day.
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    1) Drop all cardio
    2) I think you may be underestimating your complex carb needs while on SD. SD sucks carbs out of my system. Cardio does too. Eat dirty for a day then really up oats, yams, whole wheat bread exc PWO.
    3) I love eating a bowl of clam chowder with a miceller shake while on SD as my pre-bed meal.
    4)If you aren't gaining weight while "on." Somethings wrong. Even if I was taking bunk hormones I gain weight while on. Restructure your program. SD is da bomb IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by motiv8er
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    1) Drop all cardio
    That's probably a good idea, at this point. I'm very active all day (training people), so it's not like I'm sitting on my arse 24/7. Even on off days, like Thursdays, it's an off day because that's my super busy day with clients.

    I'll drop the cardio.
    Quote Originally Posted by motiv8er
    2) I think you may be underestimating your complex carb needs while on SD. SD sucks carbs out of my system. Cardio does too. Eat dirty for a day then really up oats, yams, whole wheat bread exc PWO.
    Possibly right there, too. I'll add some. Easy enough. I like carbs.
    Quote Originally Posted by motiv8er
    3) I love eating a bowl of clam chowder with a miceller shake while on SD as my pre-bed meal.
    I'm doing CC + nat PB now - same concept.
    Quote Originally Posted by motiv8er
    4)If you aren't gaining weight while "on." Somethings wrong. Even if I was taking bunk hormones I gain weight while on. Restructure your program. SD is da bomb IMO.
    Solid suggestions. Thanks.
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    Day 16: 9/24/05


    Back:
    Seated Rows: 90 x 15, 120 x 15, 140 x 15, 155 x 10, 180 x 10, 210 x 7
    1-Arm Rows: 50 x 15, 75 x 10, 100 x 10, 115 x 3
    Hammer Angled Pull Downs: 90 x 15, 180 x 10, 230 x 7
    Traps:
    BTB BB Shrugs: 135 x 25 , 225 x 20, 225 x 25
    Rack Pulls: 225 x 5, 315 x 5, 365 x 5
    Bis:
    Incline DB Curls: 20 x 12, 22.5 x 12, 25 x 12
    Preach. Curls: 65 x 3, 45 x 12, 35 x 15

    Ate the 2nd SD (10 mg) about 75 minutes before the first rep. This timing is working better for me now.

    No cardio today. Cooled down, went home, ate.

    BCAAs post-wo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bombas
    Great post Zack !

    How is your bodyweight/LBM responding to the SD cycle ?

    Feeling any bad side efects ?

    Keep on the good work !!!
    Okay, finally weighed myself.

    179.5. This is up about 7 pounds from day 1. I've been hypercaloric, of course, so that's a major factor.

    I weigh myself usually only on Wednesdays, since that's the middle of my work week, and usually any weekend food is out of my system by then. But 179.5 on a Sunday, and I'll weigh in again on Wednesday.
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    Day 17: 9/25/05


    warm ups not listed, but always done.

    Hams:
    Good Mornings:135 x 15, 205 x 10, 255 x 5, 135 x 15
    1-leg Leg Curls: 50 x 10, 50 x 11, 60 x 8
    Lying Leg Curls: 65 x 14, 80 x 12, 90 x 8 drop setted to 80-65-35
    45^ Hypers: 2 sets @ bw

    Calves:
    Standing raise: 5 sets, about 20 reps each, various weights

    No cardio today. Cooled down, went home to eat/rest.
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    Day 18: 9/26/05


    Day 18: 9/26/05 warm ups not listed, but always done.

    Tris:
    Dips: 2 w/u sets (assisted), 3 sets @ bw
    CGBP - Smith (slow eccentrics): 50 x 15, 90 x 10, 110 x 10, 120 x 7, 120 x 5 (drop setted to 110 x 2, 90 x 5)

    Bis:
    BB Curls (narrow grip, slow eccentrics): 45 x 15, 65 x 10, 10, 10, 11
    Rev. EZ Curls: 35 x 15, 55 x 13, 60 x 13, 65 x 14

    Calves:
    Leg Press Sled Calf Raises: 180 x 25, 25, 10-10-10-12 (ROB style)

    19 sets. Great pumps today.
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    what's the fat gain/loss like?

    I'm planning some winter cycles and will most likely give SD a try..not sure alone or not but anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamper19
    what's the fat gain/loss like?

    I'm planning some winter cycles and will most likely give SD a try..not sure alone or not but anyway

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    Hard to say mid-cycle. I've gained SOME fat, to be sure, but not sure how much of my gain is LBM and how much is adipose.

    More on this post-cycle.
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    Day 19: 9/27/05


    warm ups not listed, but always done.

    Delts:
    Smith Military Press (FULL rom): 50 x 15, 70 x 10, 90 x 7,8 (good gains from last week)
    Front Raises (thumbs up): 17.5 x 15, 22.5 x 10, 30 x 7, dropped to 25 x 5
    Cable rear Laterals: 12, 11, 10 reps
    Lateral raises: 20 x 10, 25 x 10

    Quads:
    Squats: 140 x 10, 190 x 10, 230 x 10, 250 x 5 (turned it up a little)
    Leg Press: 360, 450, 540, 630 x 15 reps each
    Leg Ext. 100, 120, 140, 160 x 10 reps each

    Good workout. Good pumps continue.
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    Day 20: 9/28/05


    Weight: 179.5 this morning (and all of this week). This is up 7.5# since day 1.

    Split:
    I'll be swapping day 1 and day 2. NEW Split:

    Day 1: Back/Traps/Bis
    Day 2: Chest/Tris
    Day 3: Hams/Calves
    Day 4: Bis/Tris (optional)
    Day 5: Delts/Quads

    Overall, the split was good, but my delts need a day before I attack chest, and my tris have been responding well, but would probably appreciate it, too.
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    Day 20: 9/28/05


    Back:
    Wide Grip Pull Downs: 90 x 15, 105 x 15, 120 x 12, 135 x 12, 150 x 10, 165 x 10
    Hammer 1-Arm Rows: 55 x 12, 80 x 10, 90 x 8. **
    BB Rows: 135 x 10, 10, 12, 13

    Bis / Forearms:
    BB Curls: 45 x 15, 65 x 10, 85 x 4
    DB Curls: 25 x 15, 32.5 x 10, 40 x 10, 50 x 5
    BTB Wrist Curls: 135 x 20, 20, 21

    ** I hate these, I really do. If you're going light with a narrow grip for the brachialis or brachioradialis AND keeping your chest firmly against the pad, fine. But for lats, going heavy, I think it's a crap machine.

    Ate the 2nd SD (10 mg) about 15 minutes before the first rep. The forearm pump was pretty intense.
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    Day 22: 9/30/05


    Chest:
    Hammer Bench Pr: 90 x 12, 120 x 10, 130 x 8
    Incline DB Press: 40 x 15, 50 x 10, 60 x 10, 70 x 5
    Pec Fly: 25 x 15, 35 x 10, 45 x 8
    Cable Cross: 40 x 15, 50 x 12, 55 x 9

    Tris:
    Supinated Pr. Downs: 80 x 15, 100 x 10, 130 x 9, 140 x 7
    Lying Tri DB Ext: 20 x 15, 25 x 10, 30 x 10, 35 x 5
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    Day 23: 10/2/05


    Hams:
    SLDLs:135 x 15, 225 x 10, 315 x 5, 335 x 3
    Seated Leg Curls: 105 x 20, 135 x 15, 165 x 15, 200 x 10
    45^ Hypers: 3 sets

    Calves:
    Leg Press Sled Raises: 3 sets @ 180
    Standing raises: 3 x 10 SLOW reps

    Got some ferocious pumps/tightness in my spinal erectors - really uncomfortable. Had to chill a little after the SLDLs and couldn't do the hyperextensions right away. Pretty intense.
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    Progress so far:

    Weight: Still up about 8#, but my weight gain is tied completely to my caloric intake. I've been hypercaloric the entire cycle, but slightly cyclical, with some significant caloric intake through weeks 1 and 2. My gains on bodyweight are directly connected to that, and not the SD so much, since I haven't gained anything in the last week.

    Strength gains: Nothing significant, nothing out of the ordinary of routine gains for me.

    Agressiveness/Intensity: no change from normal

    So the question is: more food? probably, right? More SD- go from 20mg to 30mg? Maybe. Not sure.

    Any input would be appreciated. I feel like the cycle is wasting away (going into week 4) and I'm not making the most of it somehow. I'm happy to just eat more, but I know my body well enough to know that means mostly fat gain, even if I eat very clean.
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    Day 24: 10/3/05


    Tris:
    Dips: 15 @ bw, 10 @ +25#, 10 @ +25#, 10 @ +35#
    CGBP: 100 x 15, 120 x 10, 140 x 7
    Overhead Tri Ext.: 45 x 15, 55 x 10, 70 x 8

    Bis:
    BB Curls (medium grip): 45 x 15, 65 x 10, 85 x 10, 45 x 21s
    BTL Cable Curls: 80 x 15, 90 x 12, 100 x 12

    Great pumps again. Starting to really kick in? Perhaps. Today's pre-wo SD dose was about 60 minutes prior to 1st rep.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZackMurphy
    Any input would be appreciated. I feel like the cycle is wasting away (going into week 4) and I'm not making the most of it somehow. I'm happy to just eat more, but I know my body well enough to know that means mostly fat gain, even if I eat very clean.
    I am close to you your age, but a little lighter 170lbs. I wouldn't look for much more from SD. I didn't eat excessive calories either, it always hits the handles if I do. I didn't see any impressive strength gains during my cycles. It's been slow & steady after, but improving nonetheless.
    Just an idea. Lower your reps, increase the weight. Don't give your head a chance to think about it just do it. Order some prostanazol, continue to take SD@ 20mg/day thru week 4. Start the Prostanazol @ 75mg/day and run it with the SD @ 10mg/day for a week five. Continue the Prostanazol for an additional 3 weeks. I found it had an excellent partitioning effect maintenance calories, my RMR is ~2000 kcals. Like I stated earlier I experienced a very noticeable decrease in BF with no loss in size, except my waist.
    Then a proper PCT.
    Great log, keep the intensity up and you will finish very strong. Just know it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonny21
    Just an idea. Lower your reps, increase the weight. Don't give your head a chance to think about it just do it. Order some prostanazol, continue to take SD@ 20mg/day thru week 4. Start the Prostanazol @ 75mg/day and run it with the SD @ 10mg/day for a week five. Continue the Prostanazol for an additional 3 weeks. I found it had an excellent partitioning effect maintenance calories, my RMR is ~2000 kcals. Like I stated earlier I experienced a very noticeable decrease in BF with no loss in size, except my waist.
    Then a proper PCT.
    Great log, keep the intensity up and you will finish very strong. Just know it!
    Thanks for the kind words. One the prostanazol idea, that's been coming up. I think I may actually give it a shot, though most of the evidence I read on Prost. is anecdotal. Good anecdotes, not nothing clinical. I'll do another pubmed search.

    But I may in fact do that. I couple guys have mentioned it to me specifically, and more than one log has cited stakcing SD with it, to some success.

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny21
    I am close to you your age, but a little lighter 170lbs. I wouldn't look for much more from SD. I didn't eat excessive calories either, it always hits the handles if I do.
    Yep - that's me predicament. I'm eating at my max right now for lean gains. I know myself well enough to know that for certain. I still plan to up it, but I know when I do, I'll see some additional chest fat, and the handles will enlarge slightly. Bummer, just the way we're programmed.
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    I give Sd and Prostanzonal a big thumbs up!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZackMurphy
    the evidence I read on Prost. is anecdotal. Good anecdotes, not nothing clinical. I'll do another pubmed search.
    If you want reliable step further into the dark side. From what I have read Test. would be the most reliable. Most of these chemicals react differently in individuals. Some shutdown, some don't; some just androgenic, some just anabolic.... Sometimes its potluck, but I can get them delivered to my door without worrying about the DEA. Besides, they work.

    By the way I don't think you will have much luck finding Prostanazol anywhere in PubMed. Try Stanazol/Stanazolol, that was ALRI's intention.
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    Day 25: 10/4/05


    warm ups not listed, but always done.

    Delts:
    Standing Military Press: 85 x 10, 95 x 10 (sort of sloppy)
    Push Presses: 95 x 10, 115 x 10
    Upright Rows: 65 x 15, 85 x 10, 105 x 7
    Front BB Raises: 45 x 12, 65 x 10, 10

    Quads:
    Squats: 135 x 10, 225 x 10, 275 x 5, 295 x 1, 315 x 1, 1
    Power Squat (narrow stance): 90 x 10, 180 x 8, 10
    Leg Ext. 110, 140, 170, 170 x 10-15 reps each

    Calves:
    Standing Raises: 220, 300, 360, 420, 10-12 slow reps each

    Great day today. No massive pumps, but the 315 squat was a PR. Left the gym on a massive high.

    And for the ass clown who was dissing my good mornings last week in another thread, as "lame" and useless for squat work, how you like me NOW.
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    10/5/05


    Weight: 182

    This is up 10# since day 1.
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    10 lbs. in 25 days is quite a bit of gain, enjoy it.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by RipdnTxs
    10 lbs. in 25 days is quite a bit of gain, enjoy it.......
    Yeah, we'll see how much of it I can keep. THAT'S the big question.
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    Day 26: 10/5/05


    Back:
    Machine Pullovers: 80 x 12, 110 x 12, 140 x 12
    Wide Grip Pull Downs: 120 x 15, 150 x 10, 180 x 10
    BB Rows: 115 x 15, 145 x 10, 165 x 9, 165 x 10
    BB Shrugs: 225 x 15, 245 x 15, 135 with holds x 15

    Bis / Forearms:
    DB Curls: 25 x 15, 27.5 x 15, 32.5 x 15
    Rev EZ Bar Preachers: 10, 12, 15

    Good day. Back felt good.
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    Day 28: 10/7/05


    Chest:
    Bench Press:
    105 x 15
    135 x 8 (felt really good here)
    155 x 5
    175 x 1 (flew up)
    185 x 1
    195 x ? more on this below
    200 x miss
    135 x 8
    Pec Dec:70 x 12, 90 x 12, 110 x 8

    Tris:
    Tri Extensions:15, 12, 13
    Skulls: 10, 10, 10
    Rope Extensions - TUT-style: 8, 10, 8

    Abs:
    Crunches
    Notes: So on the bench press, on my attempt at 195, I asked some guy to spot me. I was already on cloud freakin' 9 from the 185, which felt easy, so I was about to rip up 195. I felt like I could bench 1095. So on the first rep of 195, I'm doing it just fine, but then I feel his hands on the bar. I'm like, WTF?

    So I tell him, "no help - I'll do another". But of course, I don't have the gas for another, and this one he HAS to help on. Really irked me. So I re-racked it.

    I asked him if he helped, and he's like, "you had it, you had a few more reps in you". And I said "I know I ****ing had it - that's the problem. I asked for a spot, not for you to upright row my bench attempt. I was fine. Now I have no idea if I'd made it or not. I can't count it as a rep."

    He says "you were fine." He didn't get the point.

    Until it's on my neck and my head is blue because I'm unconscious, get your hands off the bar. So then I tried 200 and missed it, and I just went back to 135 for some last reps.

    So I can only really count the 185 as truly a success, even though I think I had to 195 just fine. But dillweed took that one away from me.

    I'm happy about the 185, but equally disappointed about the 195/200 issue.


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    Keep up the good work
    Thanks. I shall try.
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    I asked him if he helped, and he's like, "you had it, you had a few more reps in you". And I said "I know I ****ing had it - that's the problem. I asked for a spot, not for you to upright row my bench attempt. I was fine. Now I have no idea if I'd made it or not. I can't count it as a rep."

    He says "you were fine." He didn't get the point.

    Until it's on my neck and my head is blue because I'm unconscious, get your hands off the bar. So then I tried 200 and missed it, and I just went back to 135 for some last reps.


    Dude that was ****in classic !!!
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    Day 29: 10/8/05


    Hams:
    SLDLs:135 x 15, 185 x 15, 225 x 15, 275 x 8
    Seated Leg Curls: 15, 15, 15
    45^ Hypers: 12, 12, 12

    Calves:
    Standing raises: 3 x 15 SLOW reps @ 200, 300, 400#

    Abs:
    Lying Leg Lifts/Crunches: 3 x 15

    Got some more good spinal erector pumps - hams and calves, too.
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    how is the sides?how long will you run the sd?are you going to bump it to 30mg?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JonasDavidsson
    how is the sides?
    no sides. nothing.
    Quote Originally Posted by JonasDavidsson
    how long will you run the sd?
    I think another 2 weeks. My progress was slow to start - didn't feel much until the middle of the 2nd week (when I had been at 20mg for a few days), so I am going to stay with it for another week and a half. But, since I don't want to be overly rough on my liver with the methyl...
    Quote Originally Posted by JonasDavidsson
    are you going to bump it to 30mg?
    ... I won't be increasing the dosage. I'm seeing results at 20mg, so 20mg is plenty.


    Sound logical and sane?

    Up to 184# this morning. 12# since day 1.
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    Dont get greedy, ther will be other cycles..........
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    Quote Originally Posted by RipdnTxs
    Dont get greedy, ther will be other cycles..........
    hmph.
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