Superdrol cycle log (no stack, straight SD)

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  1. Great post Zack !

    How is your bodyweight/LBM responding to the SD cycle ?

    Feeling any bad side efects ?

    Keep on the good work !!!


  2. Quote Originally Posted by Bombas
    Great post Zack !

    How is your bodyweight/LBM responding to the SD cycle ?

    Feeling any bad side efects ?

    Keep on the good work !!!
    Feel no sides, notice no ill-effects. I also don't feel especially dehydrated, or any effects on my water levels.

    My BW has increased a tiny bit, but I'm also more hypercaloric than I was pre-cycle, so the weight increase could be attributed directly to that. Not trying to be skeptical of the SD - just pointing out the more likely cause of the weight increase.

    LBM might be up a tiny bit. But I'm not weighing myself constantly or doing bf% every day - don't want to get sucked into an infatuation with the numbers. I'll do the cycle, do the diet, and just see where it leaves me.
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  3. I saw that friend again yesterday, he started out at 10 mg. for three days, then went to 20 mg. for a total of 4.5 weeks, he gained 18 lbs. not 15,( the bastard) like I stated earlier, the gains r about to really kick in for ya....

  4. Quote Originally Posted by ZackMurphy
    warm ups not listed, but always done.

    Hams:
    Good Mornings: 135 x 15, 185 x 10, 225 x 7, 5
    SLDLs: 135x 15, 225 x 10, 275 x 5
    45^ Hypers: bw x 15, +25# x 10, +45# x 10
    Lying Leg Curls: 2 sets, cool down
    Calves:
    Standing raise: 100 x 15, 200 x 15, 300 x 15, 400 x 15, 500 x 15, 100 x 15,

    Ate the SD (10 mg) about 30 minutes before the first rep.

    No cardio today. Cooled down, got some Chipotle, came home to rest. Still taking the BCAAs about 30-60 minutes post-wo.

    I feel good. Can't say I feel any effects from the SD, but I might. I need to see if what I feel today is consistent, or just a fluke.
    Zack,

    Try takign the SD about an hour or so before you lift. I started doing this about the 2nd week and started seeing huge gains.
    When i took it about 30 minutes out, it always seem to kick in about the last 15 minutes of my workout. I switched to about an hour out from my workout and loved it.

    Just a suggestion. Good luck with your cycle bud

  5. Quote Originally Posted by RipdnTxs
    I saw that friend again yesterday, he started out at 10 mg. for three days, then went to 20 mg. for a total of 4.5 weeks, he gained 18 lbs. not 15,( the bastard) like I stated earlier, the gains r about to really kick in for ya....
    Good to hear. As a generally lean guy, athletic but ectomorphic, it's tough to add LBM.

    I did the 10mg for 5 days, and 20mg since then. And I have upped the kcals over my pre-cycle levels. About 250-1000/day. Varies.

    Quote Originally Posted by Warthog
    Zack,

    Try takign the SD about an hour or so before you lift. I started doing this about the 2nd week and started seeing huge gains.
    When i took it about 30 minutes out, it always seem to kick in about the last 15 minutes of my workout. I switched to about an hour out from my workout and loved it.

    Just a suggestion. Good luck with your cycle bud
    Thanks. I will try that. I've been ranging from 10-30 minutes lately (pre-workout SD dose), and feeling good (today especially), but nothing spectacular. I'll try to take it a little earlier.

    I also tend to work out around noon, so the first 10mg has been in my body for about 4-6 hours by then.

    Thanks for the info and support.

  6. warm ups not listed, but always done.

    Tris:
    CGBP: 95 x 15, 115 x 10, 135 x 7, 7
    Skulls: 55 x 15, 65 x 10, 75 x 10, 85 x 6
    Tri Ext.: 100 x 15, 120 x 10, 140 x 12 (these are good numbers for me)

    Bis:

    BB Curls: 45 x 15, 65 x 15, 75 x 10, 85 x 6 Also good sets
    Preachers: 45 x 15, 65 x 10, 75 x 5

    17 sets. A very nice little workout. CGBPs and skulls were good, tricep extensions were solid. Good pumps, which are always fun.

    Still going on 20mg/day, plus the boatload of others supps.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by ZackMurphy
    warm ups not listed, but always done.

    Tris:
    CGBP: 95 x 15, 115 x 10, 135 x 7, 7
    Skulls: 55 x 15, 65 x 10, 75 x 10, 85 x 6
    Tri Ext.: 100 x 15, 120 x 10, 140 x 12 (these are good numbers for me)

    Bis:

    BB Curls: 45 x 15, 65 x 15, 75 x 10, 85 x 6 Also good sets
    Preachers: 45 x 15, 65 x 10, 75 x 5

    17 sets. A very nice little workout. CGBPs and skulls were good, tricep extensions were solid. Good pumps, which are always fun.

    Still going on 20mg/day, plus the boatload of others supps.
    those are some pretty good numbers, so far, what is your overall thoughts of SD?

  8. Quote Originally Posted by SVTMuscle
    those are some pretty good numbers, so far, what is your overall thoughts of SD?
    Thanks.

    Too early to tell. I feel I'm on the verge of seeing some SD gains, but not sure yet. We'll see what continues.

  9. warm ups not listed, but always done.

    Delts:
    Smith Military Press: 50 x 10, 70 x 8, 70 x 8
    Up. Row.: 65 x 15, 85 x 12, 95 x 12
    Front Raises (thumbs up): 12.5 x 15, 17.5 x 10, 22.5 x 10, 12

    Quads:
    Squats: 135 x 10, 185 x 10, 225 x 10 (went light today)

    Calves:
    Standing Raises: 3 x 12-14

    Worked out early today, and took the SD about 75 minutes before the first rep. Delts were first, and they felt AMAZING. Not sure if it was the SD, but I can only assume it was. Warthog - thanks for the suggestion.

    Went light on legs today. My quads have not been recovering well during the past couple months, so I'm going easy.
  10. Day 14: 9/22/05


    Rest day. 20mg of SD in 2 doses, no exercise. Maybe some cardio, but I doubt it.
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  11. Okay, question:

    I'm thinking of increasing my dosage to 30mg/day because:

    1. I'm not feeling any of the diuretic effects of SD, and it's certainly one of the primary indicators of its efficacy. No significant water loss or increased thirst, perhaps I need another 10mg/day to get things moving? No increased appetite, no increased urination or thirst. I've been drinking more, but that is a conscious decision.

    AND

    2. Not really feeling much else, either. I've been on 20mg/day for 8+ days. Some good workout pumps and some good feels, but the other SD stories, anecdotes and logs are much more dramatic than this. I do feel a little bit of a gain, but... is it the SD or the increased calories? From my experiences with calorie increases of this size, it's hard to say.



    What do you all think? I don't want to over-SD or take more than I need, but geez. Where the mad gains at?

  12. Quote Originally Posted by ZackMurphy
    Okay, question:

    I'm thinking of increasing my dosage to 30mg/day because:

    1. I'm not feeling any of the diuretic effects of SD, and it's certainly one of the primary indicators of its efficacy. No significant water loss or increased thirst, perhaps I need another 10mg/day to get things moving? No increased appetite, no increased urination or thirst. I've been drinking more, but that is a conscious decisionI would not say that the diuretic effect is an indicator. I have run SD 2 times. Both @ max of 20mg/day. First time, 3 weeks @ 20mg/day: No diuretic effect, ~300kcals over maintenance gained an increase of size of ~1" on measurements, ~10lbs (8 of which I kept). Just finished 2nd run @ 20mg/day, but it was not SD alone. I started with E-max, but switched to SD s'dary to poor results. Increase of 8lbs, just above maintenance. In 1st week PCT, let you know what is kept.

    2. Not really feeling much else, either. I've been on 20mg/day for 8+ days. Some good workout pumps and some good feels, but the other SD stories, anecdotes and logs are much more dramatic than this. I do feel a little bit of a gain, but... is it the SD or the increased calories? From my experiences with calorie increases of this size, it's hard to say.



    What do you all think? I don't want to over-SD or take more than I need, but geez. Where the mad gains at?
    Stick it out for another week @ 20mg. My gains were above what I would expect from the amount of additional Kcals to diet taking 20mg/day. Do you take in any nutrition Pre-workout?

  13. Quote Originally Posted by jonny21
    Do you take in any nutrition Pre-workout?
    I always take in something, usually 20-30g protein, 25-50g CHO, minimum or no fats, usually 20-60 minutes pre-wo depending on my schedule. The values vary because it's rarely a shake - almost always real food.

    And post-wo, something similar, but higher GI. Non-fat again. Then another meal, more substantial, about 2 hours later.
  14. Sample Diet


    First off, the file is NOT ZIPPED. I just changed the extension. Change it back to .xls to open it. My WinZip is acting up today.

    Okay, so here's a sample day. This is not an actual day, so please don't look meal by meal for small corrections. But this is the type of stuff I eat, and the macronutrient ratio is pretty accurate. I probably get a little more fat than this, but not much more. I just don't each much fat, even when I try, and I have to add egg yolks or tacos to increase it. If I eat out (food), it's usually Mexican. (Add your own joke about "eating out Mexicans" here.) Chicken tacos, stuff like that.

    My workout time varies, but I shift these kinds of meals around to get the right kinds of foods pre and post-workout. Usually, I work out mid-day, so by then I've had 2-3 meals.

    So for the record.

    And this is probably pretty close on the kcals.
    Attached Files Attached Files

  15. Quote Originally Posted by ZackMurphy
    First off, the file is NOT ZIPPED. I just changed the extension. Change it back to .xls to open it. My WinZip is acting up today.

    Okay, so here's a sample day. This is not an actual day, so please don't look meal by meal for small corrections. But this is the type of stuff I eat, and the macronutrient ratio is pretty accurate. I probably get a little more fat than this, but not much more. I just don't each much fat, even when I try, and I have to add egg yolks or tacos to increase it. If I eat out (food), it's usually Mexican. (Add your own joke about "eating out Mexicans" here.) Chicken tacos, stuff like that.

    My workout time varies, but I shift these kinds of meals around to get the right kinds of foods pre and post-workout. Usually, I work out mid-day, so by then I've had 2-3 meals.

    So for the record.

    And this is probably pretty close on the kcals.
    Just asked about pre-workout cause I didn't see during the rest of thread and I think CHO's are an important macro in SD cycles. Glad to see you include them.
    I had modest gains on SD on 2 seperate occasions, modest compared to 15-20lbs in 3 weeks I read about. But both cycles have been been with kcals ~300kcals-500kcals above maintenance. I was looking for as lean of gains as possible. 1st was 3 weeks @ 20mg/day. +10lbs at end of week 3, +8lbs 3 weeks later (~14% BF). All increases of measurements remained same. Did ~3 weeks of maintenance Kcals while on Prostanazol 75mg/day, measurements remained stable except for waist -1.5", BF11% using 3 point caliper measurement @ my gym.
    Just finished an aborted e-max cycle(poor gains, increased sides) with 3 weeks of SD. again modest but impressive gains which I also expect to keep ~6-8lbs (pretty sure 2 of the 8 was E-max). Focused more on legs, increase 3/4", calves up 1/2". I did no cardio during either. I did mostly low rep(4-8) heavier, compound exercises, but finished body parts with higher rep(15-20) lighter, isolation exercises.
    Considering I should have been catabolic with my caloric intake as it was , I am most impressed with SD.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by jonny21
    I had modest gains on SD on 2 seperate occasions....
    Good info. Good anecdotes.

    I'm also dropping some cardio now - feeling lean enough to get through the cycle, and I can always up my cardio after PCT, and drop the easy fat.
  17. Day 15: 9/23/05


    Chest:
    Incline BB Press: 95 x 15, 115 x 10, 135 x 5
    Decline DB Press: 40 x 15, 50 x 10, 60 x 8
    Pec Fly: 25 x 15, 35 x 10, 45 x 6
    Pec Deck: 70 x 15, 90 x 10, 110 x 5

    Tris:
    Extensions: 15, 10, 5
    Skulls: bar + 30 x 15, 50 x 10, 60 x 7

    10mg early AM, 10mg about 75 minutes pre-workout.

    After weights, did 10 minutes cardio to cool down, then home to eat. Took the BCAAs, then a meal.

  18. So far, I feel a slight size gain, but little else. I'll keep going though. My only issue now is whether I should bump myself to 30mg/day.

  19. Zack
    1) Drop all cardio
    2) I think you may be underestimating your complex carb needs while on SD. SD sucks carbs out of my system. Cardio does too. Eat dirty for a day then really up oats, yams, whole wheat bread exc PWO.
    3) I love eating a bowl of clam chowder with a miceller shake while on SD as my pre-bed meal.
    4)If you aren't gaining weight while "on." Somethings wrong. Even if I was taking bunk hormones I gain weight while on. Restructure your program. SD is da bomb IMO.

    Better luck man.
    My The 1 LOG: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/254164-my-one-log.html

  20. Quote Originally Posted by motiv8er
    Zack
    1) Drop all cardio
    That's probably a good idea, at this point. I'm very active all day (training people), so it's not like I'm sitting on my arse 24/7. Even on off days, like Thursdays, it's an off day because that's my super busy day with clients.

    I'll drop the cardio.
    Quote Originally Posted by motiv8er
    2) I think you may be underestimating your complex carb needs while on SD. SD sucks carbs out of my system. Cardio does too. Eat dirty for a day then really up oats, yams, whole wheat bread exc PWO.
    Possibly right there, too. I'll add some. Easy enough. I like carbs.
    Quote Originally Posted by motiv8er
    3) I love eating a bowl of clam chowder with a miceller shake while on SD as my pre-bed meal.
    I'm doing CC + nat PB now - same concept.
    Quote Originally Posted by motiv8er
    4)If you aren't gaining weight while "on." Somethings wrong. Even if I was taking bunk hormones I gain weight while on. Restructure your program. SD is da bomb IMO.
    Solid suggestions. Thanks.
  21. Day 16: 9/24/05


    Back:
    Seated Rows: 90 x 15, 120 x 15, 140 x 15, 155 x 10, 180 x 10, 210 x 7
    1-Arm Rows: 50 x 15, 75 x 10, 100 x 10, 115 x 3
    Hammer Angled Pull Downs: 90 x 15, 180 x 10, 230 x 7
    Traps:
    BTB BB Shrugs: 135 x 25 , 225 x 20, 225 x 25
    Rack Pulls: 225 x 5, 315 x 5, 365 x 5
    Bis:
    Incline DB Curls: 20 x 12, 22.5 x 12, 25 x 12
    Preach. Curls: 65 x 3, 45 x 12, 35 x 15

    Ate the 2nd SD (10 mg) about 75 minutes before the first rep. This timing is working better for me now.

    No cardio today. Cooled down, went home, ate.

    BCAAs post-wo.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Bombas
    Great post Zack !

    How is your bodyweight/LBM responding to the SD cycle ?

    Feeling any bad side efects ?

    Keep on the good work !!!
    Okay, finally weighed myself.

    179.5. This is up about 7 pounds from day 1. I've been hypercaloric, of course, so that's a major factor.

    I weigh myself usually only on Wednesdays, since that's the middle of my work week, and usually any weekend food is out of my system by then. But 179.5 on a Sunday, and I'll weigh in again on Wednesday.
  23. Day 17: 9/25/05


    warm ups not listed, but always done.

    Hams:
    Good Mornings:135 x 15, 205 x 10, 255 x 5, 135 x 15
    1-leg Leg Curls: 50 x 10, 50 x 11, 60 x 8
    Lying Leg Curls: 65 x 14, 80 x 12, 90 x 8 drop setted to 80-65-35
    45^ Hypers: 2 sets @ bw

    Calves:
    Standing raise: 5 sets, about 20 reps each, various weights

    No cardio today. Cooled down, went home to eat/rest.
  24. Day 18: 9/26/05


    Day 18: 9/26/05 warm ups not listed, but always done.

    Tris:
    Dips: 2 w/u sets (assisted), 3 sets @ bw
    CGBP - Smith (slow eccentrics): 50 x 15, 90 x 10, 110 x 10, 120 x 7, 120 x 5 (drop setted to 110 x 2, 90 x 5)

    Bis:
    BB Curls (narrow grip, slow eccentrics): 45 x 15, 65 x 10, 10, 10, 11
    Rev. EZ Curls: 35 x 15, 55 x 13, 60 x 13, 65 x 14

    Calves:
    Leg Press Sled Calf Raises: 180 x 25, 25, 10-10-10-12 (ROB style)

    19 sets. Great pumps today.

  25. what's the fat gain/loss like?

    I'm planning some winter cycles and will most likely give SD a try..not sure alone or not but anyway

    h19

  26. Quote Originally Posted by hamper19
    what's the fat gain/loss like?

    I'm planning some winter cycles and will most likely give SD a try..not sure alone or not but anyway

    h19
    Hard to say mid-cycle. I've gained SOME fat, to be sure, but not sure how much of my gain is LBM and how much is adipose.

    More on this post-cycle.
  27. Day 19: 9/27/05


    warm ups not listed, but always done.

    Delts:
    Smith Military Press (FULL rom): 50 x 15, 70 x 10, 90 x 7,8 (good gains from last week)
    Front Raises (thumbs up): 17.5 x 15, 22.5 x 10, 30 x 7, dropped to 25 x 5
    Cable rear Laterals: 12, 11, 10 reps
    Lateral raises: 20 x 10, 25 x 10

    Quads:
    Squats: 140 x 10, 190 x 10, 230 x 10, 250 x 5 (turned it up a little)
    Leg Press: 360, 450, 540, 630 x 15 reps each
    Leg Ext. 100, 120, 140, 160 x 10 reps each

    Good workout. Good pumps continue.
  28. Day 20: 9/28/05


    Weight: 179.5 this morning (and all of this week). This is up 7.5# since day 1.

    Split:
    I'll be swapping day 1 and day 2. NEW Split:

    Day 1: Back/Traps/Bis
    Day 2: Chest/Tris
    Day 3: Hams/Calves
    Day 4: Bis/Tris (optional)
    Day 5: Delts/Quads

    Overall, the split was good, but my delts need a day before I attack chest, and my tris have been responding well, but would probably appreciate it, too.
  29. Day 20: 9/28/05


    Back:
    Wide Grip Pull Downs: 90 x 15, 105 x 15, 120 x 12, 135 x 12, 150 x 10, 165 x 10
    Hammer 1-Arm Rows: 55 x 12, 80 x 10, 90 x 8. **
    BB Rows: 135 x 10, 10, 12, 13

    Bis / Forearms:
    BB Curls: 45 x 15, 65 x 10, 85 x 4
    DB Curls: 25 x 15, 32.5 x 10, 40 x 10, 50 x 5
    BTB Wrist Curls: 135 x 20, 20, 21

    ** I hate these, I really do. If you're going light with a narrow grip for the brachialis or brachioradialis AND keeping your chest firmly against the pad, fine. But for lats, going heavy, I think it's a crap machine.

    Ate the 2nd SD (10 mg) about 15 minutes before the first rep. The forearm pump was pretty intense.
  30. Day 22: 9/30/05


    Chest:
    Hammer Bench Pr: 90 x 12, 120 x 10, 130 x 8
    Incline DB Press: 40 x 15, 50 x 10, 60 x 10, 70 x 5
    Pec Fly: 25 x 15, 35 x 10, 45 x 8
    Cable Cross: 40 x 15, 50 x 12, 55 x 9

    Tris:
    Supinated Pr. Downs: 80 x 15, 100 x 10, 130 x 9, 140 x 7
    Lying Tri DB Ext: 20 x 15, 25 x 10, 30 x 10, 35 x 5
  

  
 

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