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    for the past few days i have felt like **** most of the time. i feel really sleepy all the time , my joints are starting to hurt and it seems like my power has gone down at the gym. i try to sleep like 8 hrs and take in about 4000-5000 cal a day. plus when i wake up i feel kinda dizzy until i get some vasapro and redline up in me. anyone have any thoughts as to whats wrong with me?

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    PLEASE HELP! IM DYING!
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    How long have you been using the Vasopro and Redline?. Sounds like your adreanal(sp.?) glands may be burnt out. Stop taking them for at least a month. You may feel like that for a while before things become "refreshed". It happens to me when I stay on a stimulant for too long of a period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone
    How long have you been using the Vasopro and Redline?. Sounds like your adreanal(sp.?) glands may be burnt out. Stop taking them for at least a month. You may feel like that for a while before things become "refreshed". It happens to me when I stay on a stimulant for too long of a period.
    i only have been on them for like 3 weeks. do you think the tren would be causing it? i`ve done tren cycles before and dont remember this **** going on.
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    tren-100mg ed, vasapro-25-50mg ed, redline- 5cc pre workout, daily multi vitamin, B-complex
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    no test?

    i'd blame tren. that's a hefty dosage without test.
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    i want to run something with it and will have the money too in a few days but last time i did tren/ test cycle i got really bad break outs on my back. that never happend with just tren. how about 4ad?
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    4ad would get the job done. converts to test.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beelzebub
    4ad would get the job done. converts to test.
    do you think the sides would be less?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrAzyOttER
    do you think the sides would be less?
    yup
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    I would go w/test over 4-AD. I actually get less bloat/acne with test then i got with 4AD. And you will definately feel better w/some test added in.
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    You are running tren minus test. That is like mad crazy idea for self punishment. i am not able to do that solo. I would half the dosage of tren immediatly and look for test/4-ad suspension or t/d quick. Ephidrine can also elevate anxiety. Just be careful...

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    I would definatly get some test prop or suspension going. Not sure how long your cycle is going, but at least you can get it working quick with this. Hope you get it straightned out.
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    YOU NEED TEST! also i only know a couple people that eat 5000cals/day...pls post your diet and lets count cals!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanbodybuilder
    YOU NEED TEST! also i only know a couple people that eat 5000cals/day...pls post your diet and lets count cals!
    good point. let's see the diet otterdude.
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    400 grams of protein, 400-500 grams of carbs, 150-200 grams of fat.

    i drink a lot of skim milk. eat stake at work, drink about 4-6 whey shakes, eat wheat bread, shreaded wheat, good amount of chicken. its not very clean but i guess the tren will help keepoff the fat
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    you feel like **** because you're on a heavy nandrolone derivative without test .. add test prop ... 100mg tren ed is A TON
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    Quote Originally Posted by glenihan
    you feel like **** because you're on a heavy nandrolone derivative without test .. add test prop ... 100mg tren ed is A TON
    so you really think if i cut down on the tren and add test that ill feel better? and i wont get any extra sides?
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    Oh my Crazy otter.

    As others have said Tren with no test BUT WHY my son ???


    Also IMO why the 4AD would give you less sides than Test is because it is NOT test lol

    Yea less sides, less test and less good results.


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    im going to order somethig by tuesday. i just cant pick one to run. i HATE acne and would like to stay away from test b/c of that but i hate feeling like **** more. so if everyone thinks it will help i guess ill be making some test in my easy-bake oven next week.
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    Well as far as sides, bloating should be a little bit less with prop then with test e. Get some letro or something and it will help some. As far as acne, have you ever used dawn dish soap to wash with? I forgot where I read it, where it was on this board or another, but it helps a LOT with acne while on cycle. I used it during my winter bulk and I am thankful I used it. It will dry your skin out to a good degree, but with it being summer, I think the humidity should take care of that fine. Give it a shot if you are having problems, it might help you like it did my a bunch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snakebyte05
    Well as far as sides, bloating should be a little bit less with prop then with test e. Get some letro or something and it will help some. As far as acne, have you ever used dawn dish soap to wash with? I forgot where I read it, where it was on this board or another, but it helps a LOT with acne while on cycle. I used it during my winter bulk and I am thankful I used it. It will dry your skin out to a good degree, but with it being summer, I think the humidity should take care of that fine. Give it a shot if you are having problems, it might help you like it did my a bunch.
    thanks bro. ill try that. so just use it like bodywash right?
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    Thats what I did, I used it on my face mainly since that was where the break out was and the second I saw anything on my shoulder I began to use there, both places cleared or dramatically had less acne.
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    Crazyotter, you are definately crazy.

    I would have started with

    75mg tren eod
    500mg enthanate /wk

    but now Id say
    100mg tren eod
    50mg test prop ed
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    i still didnt see your diet....all i saw was macro content...that doesnt say anything....please post your diet by meal and time of day.....also 6 protein shakes a day? shakes arent as good as whole foods, so alot of that tren is going to waste!
    what a shame!
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    tanning is good at controlling acne, and makes you look more buff too.
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    High dose B5 may help with the acne
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    Redline has a serious dose of Yohimbe in it. Yohimbe makes me feel edgy and crappy. But I agree you should also have some test!
  

  
 

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