Superdrol vs. M1T Back-to-Back Showdown

[Skark]

With all the comparisons flying around concerning SD vs M1T, I decided to do my own test, using SD and M1T as part of the same mega cycle (with two weeks off in between).

Background
3 previous cycles: M1T/M4OHN, M4OHN, MD

Height: 6'

Weight: 212

BF: High, probably over 20% but hard to tell since I have loose skin from 200 lb weight loss

Diet: 2500 cals/day (with my slow metabolism, this is actually "bulking" for me), 200 g protein minimum

Training: Ramping Max-OT (increasing the number of sets/bodypart every week) on cycle, 80% of max for 12 reps off cycle to rest the joints

The Cycle:
Wk 1: 20 mg SD
Wk 2: 30 mg SD
Wk 3: 30 mg SD + 10 g creatine
Wk 4-5: 50 mg Nolva + 10 g creatine
Wk 6: 20 mg Meso Labs M1T
Wk 7-8: 30 mg Meso Labs M1T (or less depending on sides)
Wk 9-12: PCT

One important note: The M1T I'm using is the original (and only batch) of Meso Labs M1T (cost: $60/bottle), which does contain D-bol (which is why Meso told Legal Gear to get the hell out of their facility).

OK, I am currently at the end of Week 4. My weight is:
Wk 0: Start (212)
Wk 1: 220.25
Wk 2: 220
Wk 3: 219
Wk 4: 219.75

My first observation about SD is that a 3 week cycle is too short. I was still ramping up in strength at the end of 3 weeks. Other observations include:
1. Started noticing strength increases on Day 10
2. Improved strength gains compared to M4OHN & MD
3. Good Pumps - You feel like you are ON something
4. Sides: Slight lethargy the first week, and felt an increased BP (pounding in my head) the last week, and through the first 4-5 days of PCT
5. Not a "feel good: compound like M4OHN
6. No joint relief like M4OHN
7. Positive appearance changes

Will update at least weekly

[BOHICA]

With all the comparisons flying around concerning SD vs M1T, I decided to do my own test, using SD and M1T as part of the same mega cycle (with two weeks off in between).

Background
3 previous cycles: M1T/M4OHN, M4OHN, MD

Height: 6'

Weight: 212

BF: High, probably over 20% but hard to tell since I have loose skin from 200 lb weight loss

Diet: 2500 cals/day (with my slow metabolism, this is actually "bulking" for me), 200 g protein minimum

Training: Ramping Max-OT (increasing the number of sets/bodypart every week) on cycle, 80% of max for 12 reps off cycle to rest the joints

The Cycle:
Wk 1: 20 mg SD
Wk 2: 30 mg SD
Wk 3: 30 mg SD + 10 g creatine
Wk 4-5: 50 mg Nolva + 10 g creatine
Wk 6: 20 mg Meso Labs M1T
Wk 7-8: 30 mg Meso Labs M1T (or less depending on sides)
Wk 9-12: PCT

One important note: The M1T I'm using is the original (and only batch) of Meso Labs M1T (cost: $60/bottle), which does contain D-bol (which is why Meso told Legal Gear to get the hell out of their facility).

OK, I am currently at the end of Week 4. My weight is:
Wk 0: Start (212)
Wk 1: 220.25
Wk 2: 220
Wk 3: 219
Wk 4: 219.75

My first observation about SD is that a 3 week cycle is too short. I was still ramping up in strength at the end of 3 weeks. Other observations include:
1. Started noticing strength increases on Day 10
2. Improved strength gains compared to M4OHN & MD
3. Good Pumps - You feel like you are ON something
4. Sides: Slight lethargy the first week, and felt an increased BP (pounding in my head) the last week, and through the first 4-5 days of PCT
5. Not a "feel good: compound like M4OHN
6. No joint relief like M4OHN
7. Positive appearance changes

Will update at least weekly

You are a retard and I hope you don't mind having a non-functional liver and no cholesterol.... Wow just wow

[bpmartyr]

You are a retard and I hope you don't mind having a non-functional liver and no cholesterol.... Wow just wow

Why is he a retard and why do you think this would shut down his liver? It is standard for people to run methyls @ 6+ weeks with no break at all and this guy is taking a 2 week mini PCT in between 3 week cycles. I run methyls @ similar dosing for 6 weeks straight and my liver values have come back fine, no problem with cholesterol either.

[BOHICA]

m1t is the harshest thing by far you can put in your body, and when your adding at the end of the cycle in which your cholesterol is gonna be screwed up already by SD, then you are just adding insult to injury.

[bpmartyr]

m1t is the harshest thing by far you can put in your body, and when your adding at the end of the cycle in which your cholesterol is gonna be screwed up already by SD, then you are just adding insult to injury.

Makes sense. But I still think liver toxicity is over hyped IMHO.

[ryansm]

Liver toxicity perhaps, but cardiovascular sides are under hyped, imo.

[David Dunn]

Both M1T and SD have proven to be the most destructive (of recent methyls) on lipids. Either one, individually, run for 3-4 weeks has proven to have this effect. The PCT of HPTA in between cycles is not going to impact the restoration of lipids. You will likely have an elevated LDL and a decreased HDL at the end of 3 weeks of SD. Introducing M1T in that conditions may in all probability destroy what was left of your lipids. This is not to say that it will be permenant, but it is, for the most part a bit unhealthy, and depending on your lipid history, risky. If you are going to be 'testing this out' then get pre-cycle bloodwork, mid-cycle bloodwork and post cycle bloodwork. If you are not getting bloodwork, then you are not really 'testing out' anything, but rather throwing sense and caution to the wind.

[BOHICA]

Both M1T and SD have proven to be the most destructive (of recent methyls) on lipids. Either one, individually, run for 3-4 weeks has proven to have this effect. The PCT of HPTA in between cycles is not going to impact the restoration of lipids. You will likely have an elevated LDL and a decreased HDL at the end of 3 weeks of SD. Introducing M1T in that conditions may in all probability destroy what was left of your lipids. This is not to say that it will be permenant, but it is, for the most part a bit unhealthy, and depending on your lipid history, risky. If you are going to be 'testing this out' then get pre-cycle bloodwork, mid-cycle bloodwork and post cycle bloodwork. If you are not getting bloodwork, then you are not really 'testing out' anything, but rather throwing sense and caution to the wind.

[FOCUS]

m1t is the harshest thing by far you can put in your body, and when your adding at the end of the cycle in which your cholesterol is gonna be screwed up already by SD, then you are just adding insult to injury.

From the bloodwork I've seen posted SD isn't any less "harsh" on the body than M1t. Have I missed something? Or is this based solely on how people feel while on?

[ibanezman08]

i heard that m1t was the only steroid that was once legal to actually shrink your balls.

i ran superdrol at 50mg for 5 weeks and my balls stayed the same.

[UnrealMachine]

i heard that m1t was the only steroid that was once legal to actually shrink your balls.

i ran superdrol at 50mg for 5 weeks and my balls stayed the same.

That's just not correct. I get decreased testicular size with Superdrol and I'm not alone. Phera Plex and the tren clones are also pretty suppressive and usually shrink balls... just about any PH/DS should if you run enough of it.

Maybe you had bunk Superdrol, or you just have superballs, who knows.

[pistonpump]

i heard that m1t was the only steroid that was once legal to actually shrink your balls.

i ran superdrol at 50mg for 5 weeks and my balls stayed the same.

thats a pretty dumb post mr. ibanez

[bb4life]

thats a pretty dumb post mr. ibanez

this thread

[3dmuscle9122]

I went to max muscle and picked up some AmerCellLabs tren xtreme, and Mass Xtreme. He told me to take 3x tabs day each.
Tren is 30mg tab. Mass is 10mg tab. Anabol EXT add in 20 days for supp.
Does the dosing sound right? What would you add or subtract.
Need to put some extra size and strength.

[Kristofer68SS]

I went to max muscle and picked up some AmerCellLabs tren xtreme, and Mass Xtreme. He told me to take 3x tabs day each.
Tren is 30mg tab. Mass is 10mg tab. Anabol EXT add in 20 days for supp.
Does the dosing sound right? What would you add or subtract.
Need to put some extra size and strength.

mass is PP right?

How many weeks, what is your pct?

[3dmuscle9122]

mass is 17a-methyl-etioallocholan-2ene-17b-ol 10mg serv size
I think it is pp is I'm not mistaken. Their web site is Americancellularlabs.com The Max Muscle rep said take estoXtreme and anabol EXT for pct. after 20 days. I am doing 4 weeks on weeks off. He also recommended, TT-40 androsta-1-ene-3B-ol,17-one 70mg which I don't know anything about.

[3dmuscle9122]

mass is PP right?

How many weeks, what is your pct?

I think so, mass is 17a-methyl-etioallocholan-2ene-17b-ol 10mg serv size

[Kristofer68SS]

mass is 17a-methyl-etioallocholan-2ene-17b-ol 10mg serv size
I think it is pp is I'm not mistaken. Their web site is Americancellularlabs.com The Max Muscle rep said take estoXtreme and anabol EXT for pct. after 20 days. I am doing 4 weeks on weeks off. He also recommended, TT-40 androsta-1-ene-3B-ol,17-one 70mg which I don't know anything about.

Please do more homework on these compounds.

And PCT protocols for them.

Max Muscle Reps suck. They want your money, that is all.

[gamer2be08]

What were this guys results?