Superdrol vs. M1T Back-to-Back Showdown

  1. New Member
    Skark's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Posts
    325
    Rep Power
    301
    Level
    15
    Lv. Percent
    22.56%

    Superdrol vs. M1T Back-to-Back Showdown


    With all the comparisons flying around concerning SD vs M1T, I decided to do my own test, using SD and M1T as part of the same mega cycle (with two weeks off in between).

    Background
    3 previous cycles: M1T/M4OHN, M4OHN, MD

    Height: 6'

    Weight: 212

    BF: High, probably over 20% but hard to tell since I have loose skin from 200 lb weight loss

    Diet: 2500 cals/day (with my slow metabolism, this is actually "bulking" for me), 200 g protein minimum

    Training: Ramping Max-OT (increasing the number of sets/bodypart every week) on cycle, 80% of max for 12 reps off cycle to rest the joints

    The Cycle:
    Wk 1: 20 mg SD
    Wk 2: 30 mg SD
    Wk 3: 30 mg SD + 10 g creatine
    Wk 4-5: 50 mg Nolva + 10 g creatine
    Wk 6: 20 mg Meso Labs M1T
    Wk 7-8: 30 mg Meso Labs M1T (or less depending on sides)
    Wk 9-12: PCT

    One important note: The M1T I'm using is the original (and only batch) of Meso Labs M1T (cost: $60/bottle), which does contain D-bol (which is why Meso told Legal Gear to get the hell out of their facility).

    OK, I am currently at the end of Week 4. My weight is:
    Wk 0: Start (212)
    Wk 1: 220.25
    Wk 2: 220
    Wk 3: 219
    Wk 4: 219.75

    My first observation about SD is that a 3 week cycle is too short. I was still ramping up in strength at the end of 3 weeks. Other observations include:
    1. Started noticing strength increases on Day 10
    2. Improved strength gains compared to M4OHN & MD
    3. Good Pumps - You feel like you are ON something
    4. Sides: Slight lethargy the first week, and felt an increased BP (pounding in my head) the last week, and through the first 4-5 days of PCT
    5. Not a "feel good: compound like M4OHN
    6. No joint relief like M4OHN
    7. Positive appearance changes

    Will update at least weekly

  2. Registered User
    BOHICA's Avatar
    Stats
    6'0"  222 lbs.
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Posts
    1,196
    Rep Power
    724
    Level
    28
    Lv. Percent
    10.4%
    Achievements Posting Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by Skark
    With all the comparisons flying around concerning SD vs M1T, I decided to do my own test, using SD and M1T as part of the same mega cycle (with two weeks off in between).

    Background
    3 previous cycles: M1T/M4OHN, M4OHN, MD

    Height: 6'

    Weight: 212

    BF: High, probably over 20% but hard to tell since I have loose skin from 200 lb weight loss

    Diet: 2500 cals/day (with my slow metabolism, this is actually "bulking" for me), 200 g protein minimum

    Training: Ramping Max-OT (increasing the number of sets/bodypart every week) on cycle, 80% of max for 12 reps off cycle to rest the joints

    The Cycle:
    Wk 1: 20 mg SD
    Wk 2: 30 mg SD
    Wk 3: 30 mg SD + 10 g creatine
    Wk 4-5: 50 mg Nolva + 10 g creatine
    Wk 6: 20 mg Meso Labs M1T
    Wk 7-8: 30 mg Meso Labs M1T (or less depending on sides)
    Wk 9-12: PCT

    One important note: The M1T I'm using is the original (and only batch) of Meso Labs M1T (cost: $60/bottle), which does contain D-bol (which is why Meso told Legal Gear to get the hell out of their facility).

    OK, I am currently at the end of Week 4. My weight is:
    Wk 0: Start (212)
    Wk 1: 220.25
    Wk 2: 220
    Wk 3: 219
    Wk 4: 219.75

    My first observation about SD is that a 3 week cycle is too short. I was still ramping up in strength at the end of 3 weeks. Other observations include:
    1. Started noticing strength increases on Day 10
    2. Improved strength gains compared to M4OHN & MD
    3. Good Pumps - You feel like you are ON something
    4. Sides: Slight lethargy the first week, and felt an increased BP (pounding in my head) the last week, and through the first 4-5 days of PCT
    5. Not a "feel good: compound like M4OHN
    6. No joint relief like M4OHN
    7. Positive appearance changes

    Will update at least weekly
    You are a retard and I hope you don't mind having a non-functional liver and no cholesterol.... Wow just wow
  3. Snuggle Club™ mascot
    bpmartyr's Avatar
    Stats
    5'9"  175 lbs.
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Age
    41
    Posts
    4,443
    Rep Power
    27399
    Level
    45
    Lv. Percent
    88.73%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by BOHICA
    You are a retard and I hope you don't mind having a non-functional liver and no cholesterol.... Wow just wow
    Why is he a retard and why do you think this would shut down his liver? It is standard for people to run methyls @ 6+ weeks with no break at all and this guy is taking a 2 week mini PCT in between 3 week cycles. I run methyls @ similar dosing for 6 weeks straight and my liver values have come back fine, no problem with cholesterol either.
    •   
       

  4. Registered User
    BOHICA's Avatar
    Stats
    6'0"  222 lbs.
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Posts
    1,196
    Rep Power
    724
    Level
    28
    Lv. Percent
    10.4%
    Achievements Posting Pro

    m1t is the harshest thing by far you can put in your body, and when your adding at the end of the cycle in which your cholesterol is gonna be screwed up already by SD, then you are just adding insult to injury.
  5. Snuggle Club™ mascot
    bpmartyr's Avatar
    Stats
    5'9"  175 lbs.
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Age
    41
    Posts
    4,443
    Rep Power
    27399
    Level
    45
    Lv. Percent
    88.73%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by BOHICA
    m1t is the harshest thing by far you can put in your body, and when your adding at the end of the cycle in which your cholesterol is gonna be screwed up already by SD, then you are just adding insult to injury.
    Makes sense. But I still think liver toxicity is over hyped IMHO.
  6. Elite Member
    ryansm's Avatar
    Stats
    6'2"  305 lbs.
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Posts
    8,125
    Rep Power
    22020
    Level
    57
    Lv. Percent
    95.05%
    Achievements Activity AuthorityActivity ProPosting ProPosting Authority

    Liver toxicity perhaps, but cardiovascular sides are under hyped, imo.

  7. Board Moderator
    Unbreakable
    David Dunn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2003
    Age
    49
    Posts
    11,823
    Rep Power
    1317972

    Both M1T and SD have proven to be the most destructive (of recent methyls) on lipids. Either one, individually, run for 3-4 weeks has proven to have this effect. The PCT of HPTA in between cycles is not going to impact the restoration of lipids. You will likely have an elevated LDL and a decreased HDL at the end of 3 weeks of SD. Introducing M1T in that conditions may in all probability destroy what was left of your lipids. This is not to say that it will be permenant, but it is, for the most part a bit unhealthy, and depending on your lipid history, risky. If you are going to be 'testing this out' then get pre-cycle bloodwork, mid-cycle bloodwork and post cycle bloodwork. If you are not getting bloodwork, then you are not really 'testing out' anything, but rather throwing sense and caution to the wind.
  8. Registered User
    BOHICA's Avatar
    Stats
    6'0"  222 lbs.
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Posts
    1,196
    Rep Power
    724
    Level
    28
    Lv. Percent
    10.4%
    Achievements Posting Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by B5150
    Both M1T and SD have proven to be the most destructive (of recent methyls) on lipids. Either one, individually, run for 3-4 weeks has proven to have this effect. The PCT of HPTA in between cycles is not going to impact the restoration of lipids. You will likely have an elevated LDL and a decreased HDL at the end of 3 weeks of SD. Introducing M1T in that conditions may in all probability destroy what was left of your lipids. This is not to say that it will be permenant, but it is, for the most part a bit unhealthy, and depending on your lipid history, risky. If you are going to be 'testing this out' then get pre-cycle bloodwork, mid-cycle bloodwork and post cycle bloodwork. If you are not getting bloodwork, then you are not really 'testing out' anything, but rather throwing sense and caution to the wind.
  9. Board Supporter
    FOCUS's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Age
    40
    Posts
    59
    Rep Power
    156
    Level
    7
    Lv. Percent
    97.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by BOHICA
    m1t is the harshest thing by far you can put in your body, and when your adding at the end of the cycle in which your cholesterol is gonna be screwed up already by SD, then you are just adding insult to injury.

    From the bloodwork I've seen posted SD isn't any less "harsh" on the body than M1t. Have I missed something? Or is this based solely on how people feel while on?
  10. Advanced Member
    ibanezman08's Avatar
    Stats
    5'4"  181 lbs.
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    522
    Rep Power
    343
    Level
    18
    Lv. Percent
    49.66%

    i heard that m1t was the only steroid that was once legal to actually shrink your balls.

    i ran superdrol at 50mg for 5 weeks and my balls stayed the same.
  11. Elite Member
    UnrealMachine's Avatar
    Stats
    6'1"  218 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Posts
    6,083
    Rep Power
    9958
    Level
    51
    Lv. Percent
    81.04%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting ProPosting Authority

    Quote Originally Posted by ibanezman08 View Post
    i heard that m1t was the only steroid that was once legal to actually shrink your balls.

    i ran superdrol at 50mg for 5 weeks and my balls stayed the same.
    That's just not correct. I get decreased testicular size with Superdrol and I'm not alone. Phera Plex and the tren clones are also pretty suppressive and usually shrink balls... just about any PH/DS should if you run enough of it.

    Maybe you had bunk Superdrol, or you just have superballs, who knows.
    Mostly answered PM's
    Don't post on my profile, I don't read that stuff, PM me instead
    <------ Hard to believe, but I wasn't on any anabolics in the avatar shot
  12. Banned
    pistonpump's Avatar
    Stats
    6'2"  225 lbs.
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Age
    30
    Posts
    12,105
    Rep Power
    0
    Level
    66
    Lv. Percent
    87.47%
    Achievements Activity ProActivity AuthorityPosting ProPosting AuthorityPosting Veteran

    Quote Originally Posted by ibanezman08 View Post
    i heard that m1t was the only steroid that was once legal to actually shrink your balls.

    i ran superdrol at 50mg for 5 weeks and my balls stayed the same.
    thats a pretty dumb post mr. ibanez
  13. New Member
    bb4life's Avatar
    Stats
    6'3"  255 lbs.
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Age
    27
    Posts
    404
    Rep Power
    289
    Level
    16
    Lv. Percent
    59.97%

    Quote Originally Posted by pistonpump View Post
    thats a pretty dumb post mr. ibanez
    this thread
  14. New Member
    3dmuscle9122's Avatar
    Stats
    5'9"  180 lbs.
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Posts
    36
    Rep Power
    92
    Level
    5
    Lv. Percent
    47.68%

    Lightbulb New To PH Need advice on stack.


    I went to max muscle and picked up some AmerCellLabs tren xtreme, and Mass Xtreme. He told me to take 3x tabs day each.
    Tren is 30mg tab. Mass is 10mg tab. Anabol EXT add in 20 days for supp.
    Does the dosing sound right? What would you add or subtract.
    Need to put some extra size and strength.
  15. Elite Member
    Kristofer68SS's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"  180 lbs.
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Age
    42
    Posts
    5,600
    Rep Power
    13734
    Level
    50
    Lv. Percent
    33.89%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting ProPosting Authority

    Quote Originally Posted by 3dmuscle9122 View Post
    I went to max muscle and picked up some AmerCellLabs tren xtreme, and Mass Xtreme. He told me to take 3x tabs day each.
    Tren is 30mg tab. Mass is 10mg tab. Anabol EXT add in 20 days for supp.
    Does the dosing sound right? What would you add or subtract.
    Need to put some extra size and strength.

    mass is PP right?

    How many weeks, what is your pct?
  16. New Member
    3dmuscle9122's Avatar
    Stats
    5'9"  180 lbs.
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Posts
    36
    Rep Power
    92
    Level
    5
    Lv. Percent
    47.68%

    I think so


    mass is 17a-methyl-etioallocholan-2ene-17b-ol 10mg serv size
    I think it is pp is I'm not mistaken. Their web site is Americancellularlabs.com The Max Muscle rep said take estoXtreme and anabol EXT for pct. after 20 days. I am doing 4 weeks on weeks off. He also recommended, TT-40 androsta-1-ene-3B-ol,17-one 70mg which I don't know anything about.
  17. New Member
    3dmuscle9122's Avatar
    Stats
    5'9"  180 lbs.
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Posts
    36
    Rep Power
    92
    Level
    5
    Lv. Percent
    47.68%

    Quote Originally Posted by Kristofer68SS View Post
    mass is PP right?

    How many weeks, what is your pct?
    I think so, mass is 17a-methyl-etioallocholan-2ene-17b-ol 10mg serv size
  18. Elite Member
    Kristofer68SS's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"  180 lbs.
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Age
    42
    Posts
    5,600
    Rep Power
    13734
    Level
    50
    Lv. Percent
    33.89%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting ProPosting Authority

    Quote Originally Posted by 3dmuscle9122 View Post
    mass is 17a-methyl-etioallocholan-2ene-17b-ol 10mg serv size
    I think it is pp is I'm not mistaken. Their web site is Americancellularlabs.com The Max Muscle rep said take estoXtreme and anabol EXT for pct. after 20 days. I am doing 4 weeks on weeks off. He also recommended, TT-40 androsta-1-ene-3B-ol,17-one 70mg which I don't know anything about.

    Please do more homework on these compounds.

    And PCT protocols for them.

    Max Muscle Reps suck. They want your money, that is all.
  19. Banned
    gamer2be08's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Posts
    5,988
    Rep Power
    0
    Level
    54
    Lv. Percent
    17.08%
    Achievements Activity ProPosting ProPosting Authority

    What were this guys results?
  

  
 

Similar Forum Threads

  1. same compound- back to back?
    By Brolic in forum Anabolics
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 03-12-2008, 03:26 PM
  2. Back to back designer cycles
    By In Hulk in forum Anabolics
    Replies: 6
    Last Post: 12-13-2007, 04:10 PM
  3. Replies: 0
    Last Post: 06-28-2006, 07:04 AM
  4. Back to Back herbal cycles
    By 28540MC in forum Supplements
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 04-27-2006, 10:53 PM
  5. Methyl 1-Test and 4 OH T back to back?
    By bigbadboss101 in forum Anabolics
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 10-06-2003, 11:24 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Log in
Log in