TREN AND TEST PROP + WINSTROL?

[CrAzyOttER]

IS IT OK/ ADDVISED TO RUN WINNY WITH A TREN-TEST CYCLE?

[Beelzebub]

how long of a cycle we talking here?

[CrAzyOttER]

8 WEEKS

[Beelzebub]

you could run the winny for the last 4 weeks and it would serve you nicely without much toxicity issues to worry about.

[CrAzyOttER]

WHAT ARE THE SIDES OF WINNY?

[Beelzebub]

achy and sometimes stiff joints. YMMV.

TAKE YOUR CAPS OFF.

[CrAzyOttER]

sorry

[Beelzebub]

thank you. saw your pics in the other thread. did you already finish the cycle or just planning for another one?

[CrAzyOttER]

that was last summer. i want to do it agian but be more cut.

[Beelzebub]

how's the diet?

[CrAzyOttER]

it was 5000+ cal, 500gram protien, 350 carbs, 300 fat. meals every 3 hours. as close to it as poss

[Cuffs]

I would advise against it. Only due to the fact your joints will hate you, and your workouts could suffer. Maybe look into Anavar, which is much milder. If you can get through the stiff joint/pain, then by all means...

[Beelzebub]

it was 5000+ cal, 500gram protien, 350 carbs, 300 fat. meals every 3 hours. as close to it as poss

if you're looking to trim down, i'd seriously consider dropping the fat down considerably. all of which would be healthy fats. what's your weight, 500 grams of protein looks a little excessive as well.

[CrAzyOttER]

im 208 now. i was 233 last summer. i wanna hit 240 this time

[Beelzebub]

im 208 now. i was 233 last summer. i wanna hit 240 this time

208 to 240 in 8 weeks sounds a little unreasonable to me if you're hoping to lean up a bit at the same time. i'd set my goals at around at around 15lbs of lean muscle gain during that time frame. if you achieve that much, it's a massive gain of LBM. not trying to dishearten ya bro, but it's fact. 32lbs of lean muscle will not happen in 8 weeks, period.

[CrAzyOttER]

would you not recomend a 12 week cycle?

[glenihan]

a 12 week cycle of ed or eod pinning would suck .. if you're going to go for 12 weeks get longer acting esters

beelze is right on the money its all about your diet .. you don't need 500g of protein a lot of that will get turned into glucose anyway .. and 300 grams of fat is way too much that's 2700 cals from fat alone

[CrAzyOttER]

what if i ran dbol first 4 weeks and then switched to win? i dont really mind pinning ed in fact twards the end of my cycle i really enjoyed it.

[glenihan]

dbol is still a 17aa steriod .. that's kinda like saying well what if i drink Jamison's tonight and Jack Daniels tomorrow?

you've only got one liver .. treat it well

as for the ed pinning .. you may not mind it, but bear in mind you only have so many injection spots and scar tissue is a reality and unpleasant not to mention the body doesn't really like a foreign metal object being jabbed into it .. the more often you pin the more you increase the chance of a problem .. to each their own just be aware of the risks

[Beelzebub]

what if i ran dbol first 4 weeks and then switched to win? i dont really mind pinning ed in fact twards the end of my cycle i really enjoyed it.

bro, i think you need to step back and seriously reconsider your goals and your methods of reaching them. at 22 years old, you've got plenty of time. no need to burn the candle at both ends.