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TREN AND TEST PROP + WINSTROL?

you could run the winny for the last 4 weeks and it would serve you nicely without much toxicity issues to worry about.
 
thank you. saw your pics in the other thread. did you already finish the cycle or just planning for another one?
 
I would advise against it. Only due to the fact your joints will hate you, and your workouts could suffer. Maybe look into Anavar, which is much milder. If you can get through the stiff joint/pain, then by all means...
 
CrAzyOttER said:
it was 5000+ cal, 500gram protien, 350 carbs, 300 fat. meals every 3 hours. as close to it as poss
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if you're looking to trim down, i'd seriously consider dropping the fat down considerably. all of which would be healthy fats. what's your weight, 500 grams of protein looks a little excessive as well.
 
CrAzyOttER said:
im 208 now. i was 233 last summer. i wanna hit 240 this time
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208 to 240 in 8 weeks sounds a little unreasonable to me if you're hoping to lean up a bit at the same time. i'd set my goals at around at around 15lbs of lean muscle gain during that time frame. if you achieve that much, it's a massive gain of LBM. not trying to dishearten ya bro, but it's fact. 32lbs of lean muscle will not happen in 8 weeks, period.
 
a 12 week cycle of ed or eod pinning would suck .. if you're going to go for 12 weeks get longer acting esters

beelze is right on the money its all about your diet .. you don't need 500g of protein a lot of that will get turned into glucose anyway .. and 300 grams of fat is way too much that's 2700 cals from fat alone
 
what if i ran dbol first 4 weeks and then switched to win? i dont really mind pinning ed in fact twards the end of my cycle i really enjoyed it.
 
dbol is still a 17aa steriod .. that's kinda like saying well what if i drink Jamison's tonight and Jack Daniels tomorrow?

you've only got one liver .. treat it well

as for the ed pinning .. you may not mind it, but bear in mind you only have so many injection spots and scar tissue is a reality and unpleasant not to mention the body doesn't really like a foreign metal object being jabbed into it .. the more often you pin the more you increase the chance of a problem .. to each their own just be aware of the risks
 
CrAzyOttER said:
what if i ran dbol first 4 weeks and then switched to win? i dont really mind pinning ed in fact twards the end of my cycle i really enjoyed it.
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bro, i think you need to step back and seriously reconsider your goals and your methods of reaching them. at 22 years old, you've got plenty of time. no need to burn the candle at both ends.
 
CrAzyOttER said:
you`re right i just miss being a monster and i have one of those "i want it now" problems.
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i totally understand. i tried that with my first cycle, gained exactly 32lbs in 8 weeks, about 10lbs of it was muscle, the rest was fat and water. now, i've got my head on a little straighter and have realized that slow and steady wins the race.
 
Beelzebub said:
now, i've got my head on a little straighter and have realized that slow and steady wins the race.
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Especially when it comes to making those calves grow huh. :D
 
natedogg said:
Especially when it comes to making those calves grow huh. :D
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touchee. calves are a horse of a different color. either you're born with em or without em. i belong to the latter group and have to fight for every millimeter of improvement.
 
Beelzebub said:
touchee. calves are a horse of a different color. either you're born with em or without em. i belong to the latter group and have to fight for every millimeter of improvement.
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Same here pal. At least my arm size to calf size ratio isn't that far off. I think it's funny when you see guys at the gym with 20 inch arms and 15 inch calves.
 
natedogg said:
Same here pal. At least my arm size to calf size ratio isn't that far off. I think it's funny when you see guys at the gym with 20 inch arms and 15 inch calves.
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i've got about a 2" difference nowadays. mainly because my arms shrank during the cut that i'm doing. my calves apparently don't hold any water or fat, as they've only decreased by 1/2" over the course of 45lbs, as the arms have gone down almost 1.5".
 
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