- 03-08-2005, 09:11 AM
Hello everyone again. Its about that time for another bulk. The last SD cycle I did stacked with M1,4ADD I gained 18lbs off of and kept it, but I had some "flub" around the waist line that was bugging me, so I decided to "cut the fat" before I started bulking again, this time a clean bulk.
I am going to run SD at 20mg for approximatly 2 weeks (or until the gains diminish), and then up it to 30mg ED for the remainder of the cycle/bottle. I will also be running the bottle of M4OHN that I got with the SD order at 12mg ED (which the only reason I am doing this is because I only have 1 bottle and figure running it for 30 days might be beneficial, if anyone can give me reason to up the dose, but cut the length of time for M4OHN, I'm all ears).
I started Monday 3/7 and weighed in at 206.5lbs. I train 5 days per week on a split, not training any bodypart more than once per week except abs which I do twice per week. My diet is as follows:
5:30am- whey protein shake, home made cell tech shake
7:00am- turkey breast
9:30am- 1 3/4 cup of cottage cheese
PWO- home made cell tech, whey protein shake
12:00- 8-10oz. eye of round steak
1:00- 1 large baked potato with olive oil
2:30- 1 large bagel, 8oz boost shake
5:00- chicken breast with rice or whole wheat pasta
8:00- turkey bacon and cottage cheese
I have been dropping some fat on this diet and still making some solid gains, so I'm sure I'll see some good gains adding in the SD/M4OHN.
- 03-08-2005, 09:19 AM
On another note, I have some Taurine that I will begin about week 2 of this cycle as I didnt notice any back pumps that were uncomfortable until about week 3 of SD, so hopefully this will sideline any discomfort I might have before it becomes an issue.
03-08-2005, 09:25 AM
I think it sounds good, although my opinion is that 30 SD would be a waste when stacked with MOHN. It is a synergistic stack, even dropping the MOHN to 8 would provide great results, most people dont need as much as they think they do. In my mind its diet and training.
03-08-2005, 09:29 AM
30mg isnt a waste IMO, I ran 30mg for 4 weeks on my last cycle and only after about 18 or so days did I notice the gains slow down to eventually a halt, hence why I am trying 20mg for a couple of weeks then 30mg to hopefully jumpstart the gains back up.
03-08-2005, 09:34 AM
You know what works best for you. I ran SD for 39 days at 10 and got consistent gains throughout with little to no sides. Towards the end started cramping a bit though.
03-08-2005, 10:16 AM
03-08-2005, 10:23 AM
03-08-2005, 10:29 AM
03-08-2005, 12:19 PM
cool,tp. I'm running SD and M4OHN right now at 30 and 24 mg respectively. I think this stack should prove well. I am basing doses on my experience and will ajust accordingly as necessarry. I am a slow/low responder. Keep posting and I'll do same.
**on another note, reviewing your first post, I need to commend you on that CLEAN diet! Man, I hope I can motivate myself similarly...
Last edited by milwood; 03-08-2005 at 12:52 PM. Reason: additional note
03-08-2005, 01:59 PM
milwood: how long have you been running this stack and what have your gains looked like so far?
03-08-2005, 03:43 PM
I would say that running MOHN the longer, the better, since it usually doesn't "kick in" until after about 2 weeks.
03-08-2005, 06:34 PM
Tuesday weight: 207.5lbs up 1lb from yesterday. No effects yet, but for me they usually hit around day 4.
03-08-2005, 06:36 PM
Started SD 2 weeks ago at 20, bumped to 30 starting this week (week 3). Decided to kick M4OHN in due to lack of apparent real response, sides, etc. Used some MDHT week 2 only, and started OT week 3 as well. Started a log of sorts in cycles section, which I'll update weekly with overall results (and who knows, may continue to alter based on results). I'm not a meticulous stat-tracker, and as I stated elsewhere, I have (I believe) begun to lose fat and gain muscle. Therefore I don't expect to put on substantial "poundage", but rather to notice good body comp changes, hopefully. Had the SD really produced noticable effect in 2 weeks to start, I'd have foregone the M4OHN altogether, but we'll see how this plays stacked (and with the OT to boot!).At this point I still plan to run the SD through week 3, then 2 off SD, run the M4OHN weeks 3-8, back on SD for weeks 6-8.
03-09-2005, 05:23 PM
Wed. Day 3: 210lbs, up 2.5lbs from yesterday. Leg workout was great except for the choad in the gym today.
03-09-2005, 11:58 PM
03-10-2005, 08:12 AM
Thanks Dmitry. This time should be much better all around as I just joined at a new gym and actually have a partner to workout with to push me a bit which I didnt have before. I'll again post pics at the end of the cycle, no real need to post them before as you can look at the pics from my last log, not much has changed except for some fat loss around the waist line.
03-10-2005, 09:12 AM
bump on this. It takes 2-3 weeks to kick in and the results lasts up to week 6.Originally Posted by Mass_69
So, if u cant manage to get another bottle or two, lower the dose. and halve that the first two weeks.
This is what i would do:
week 1-2: m4ohn 8mg
week 3-5 SD 20/30/20 m4ohn 12mg
week 6 m4hon 12mg
03-10-2005, 09:13 AM
03-10-2005, 09:20 AM
Just a quick question.. note: I haven't read the entire thread.
206.5lbs? I thought you were in the 217 or so range after your last bulk with SD? Gained 16-17lbs or so or did I read that wrong in your initial thread (couldn't find it)?
Sorry if I am incorrect. For some reason the numbers are sticking in my head and I was just wondering if I am not wrong... what happened to your gains?
03-10-2005, 10:17 AM
I did, however in the first post, I reported that I wanted to cut some of the "flub" around my waist line so I dropped a bit of weight and lost an inch on my waist. If you have any questions, read the top post, it should explain everything...
03-10-2005, 10:19 AM
03-10-2005, 10:46 AM
off topic: It has been more than a month that Virtual Bodybuilder is down.
What happened? they have a new domain name?
03-10-2005, 05:02 PM
Thursday day 4: 211lbs. Up 1lb from yesterday. I can start to feel the pump effect starting though it is not "full on" yet. Arm workout was painful (in a good way) because of the pump going on in my arms.
03-11-2005, 08:32 PM
Friday: 210lbs. Down 1lb from yesterday, however I seem "harder" from the SD. Pumps are really starting to kick in.
03-14-2005, 06:00 PM
03-15-2005, 06:24 PM
Tuesday: No change from yesterday, still sitting at 211.5lbs. I can definatly say that I am not responding to 20mg like I did at 30mg, however I will wait until next Monday before I jump up to 30mg ED to see if that helps kickstart the gains.
03-18-2005, 09:23 AM
Sorry for the lack of updates, I have been sick with the flu for the past couple of days. My weight is still holding steady so Monday assuming everything is better with my health, I'll bump the SD to 30mg. I'll post more on Monday.
03-22-2005, 09:38 AM
again, I want to appologize to anyone following this log...I'm still sick, and havent touched the scale in a couple of days but I feel as if I am holding steady with my weight...I'm starting to eat a bit more so things are starting to slowly take a turn for the better...this flu going around sucks!
03-22-2005, 10:00 AM
Couple of questions about your diet. I noticed you split up your protein and carb feedings several different times. Why? Also looking at this it seems that maybe you carb and fat intake might be a little low. Of course I don't know your nutrient breakdown so I could be wrong.Originally Posted by tattoopierced1
03-22-2005, 10:21 AM
I am just coming off my flu/cold myself bro (never could tell the difference) so I hear ya bro....I took yesterday off so stay in bed until your ready, you could mess up your cycle by not taking an extra day or two off, don't worry about missing a bodypart or two. Thanks for the new log many are reading bro, good luck and your last one was kick ass!
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