My CEE 12 week bulk

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  1. Once again, the ergogenic effects of SD were felt in the gym, in the form of a greatly increased capacity for volume. I felt like I could go forever, and tacked on an extra 30 min of biceps noodling. 10mg seems to be a little light, even for the relatively little guy I am; 20mg is much more effective, if you can stand the painful pumps.

  2. End of Cycle


    Weighed in this morning at a very dry 191 pounds, at 9% bodyfat and with 15" arms. PCT begins now, and I had my first dose of tamox this morning. I think I'll dose before bed, henceforth, to take advantage of the hormone surge that occurs during sleep. I skipped legs today, since the only chance to work them was in the morning and I wouldn't have gotten enough sleep. My limited experience has taught me that rest is as important as training, if not more so --- and I'd imagine this is especially true during PCT.

    Here's hopin' I keep what I got...
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  3. Weighed in at 195 this morning. My Dad saw me for the first time in a week and commented on how much bigger I looked. Come to think of it, I've been getting lots of remarks from folks. I'm guessing the SD hasn't cleared yet, because otherwise I have no clue where these 4 pounds came from. However, the diuretic effect and cramping is gone, so who knows. Bodyfat is still at 9%, according to my calipers.

    Speaking of which... does anybody else find that the AccuMeasure one-site calipers report a little low? I've been paying attention to the pics forum, and most bodyfat estimations have been higher than I expected. I look to be at the same bodyfat level as in my pic at the beginning of this thread, but I'm guessing folks would sooner call that 13% than 9%. Then again, I have absolutely *no* tan whatsoever --- a result of isolating myself from the outside world for seven years. That can make you look disproportionately smooth, so the calipers might be right after all.

    But that is neither here nor there. I'm bigger, and the calipers haven't gotten farther apart, and that's all that matters.

  4. Your gains are great for a starter! I think your diet and training are on line.

    To me your BF seems much higher than 9%. Close to 15%.

    But u need to bulk, dont care about fat too much, bro. I'm sure that CEE will help u

  5. Oh I'm definitely not afraid of fat, so long as it stays at around this level. I use to be quite paranoid about becoming un-ripped, but as soon as I eased up, my strength, endurance, and recovery all shot up dramatically. Couple that with the fact that I shed fat just by thinking about cardio, and I got no problems carrying around a layer of blubber in the battle for bigness.
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  6. Wow, 15 pounds in one month? Great work!

  7. Thanks man, it looks like the gains are gonna stick. My advice to folks coming off of SD is to make sure you get *plenty* of rest. My body felt fatigued in ways I didn't know were possible my first day off cycle. I think putting on 15 pounds of mass in such a sort span of time is very taxing on your body, and if you don't treat it right, don't be surprised if you lose everything you gained.

    I don't exactly have the seniority to be saying a thing like this, but I'd like to point out the obvious causal connection between people who already have good habits getting good results on SD --- and conversely, those with poor habits losing what they gained, if anything at all. Granted, my experience is extremely limited, but IMHO, AAS in general act as a scalar. That is, if you have an excellent foundation, you can expect excellent results from AAS. But if you have crappy foundation, you'll be *damn* lucky if you don't end up 2 steps forward and 3 steps back when all is said and done. Folks, if your nutrition, training, and rest aren't on the money as is, don't bother with AAS --- you're only gonna make things worse. Rant mode off.

    On another note, I think I took the "pinch an inch" idiom too literally, which is how I came to think I was 9% bodyfat. A proper pinch puts me at around 13%, which looks about right to me. Fattest I've ever been in my life, I think, and the fattest I'd ever like to be. I plan to get to 230 pounds at this bf% --- which would be 200 pounds of lean mass --- before I do another cut. Think I can pull that off in another 8 months?

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Nabeshin
    I think putting on 15 pounds of mass in such a sort span of time is very taxing on your body, and if you don't treat it right, don't be surprised if you lose everything you gained.
    This is very true. I gained 30 pounds in 10 weeks, keeping 25 of it, and it took my body a couple of months to adjust and feel comfortable with the new weight. Just remember to keep your calories very high in PCT, so you can keep as much of that weight as possible.

    One thing I will warn you about is that you may get frustrated. After gaining 5 pounds a week you kind of get used to that kind of weight gain. Just keep in mind that you can still gain weight off cycle, it'll just much slower. Look for 1-2 pounds a month instead of 5 pounds a week.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by RobInKuwait
    This is very true. I gained 30 pounds in 10 weeks, keeping 25 of it, and it took my body a couple of months to adjust and feel comfortable with the new weight. Just remember to keep your calories very high in PCT, so you can keep as much of that weight as possible.

    One thing I will warn you about is that you may get frustrated. After gaining 5 pounds a week you kind of get used to that kind of weight gain. Just keep in mind that you can still gain weight off cycle, it'll just much slower. Look for 1-2 pounds a month instead of 5 pounds a week.
    Oh yeah, I understand. I'd wager it's a good idea to stay off cycle for as long as you were on --- and this is time spent off in addition to PCT --- not just to give your body a break, but to keep from developing a psychological dependency on AAS.
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    One thing I will warn you about is that you may get frustrated. After gaining 5 pounds a week you kind of get used to that kind of weight gain. Just keep in mind that you can still gain weight off cycle, it'll just much slower. Look for 1-2 pounds a month instead of 5 pounds a week.
    Good posting! (where's the icon? )

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Syr
    Good posting! (where's the icon? )
    Thanks

  12. Whatever magical pounds of bloaty something I gained last weekend are gone, and I've been maintaing circa 192 for the past few days. That is to say, PCT is going well. I hit the gym for the first time in a few days yesterday, doing legs, and was pleased to note no loss of strength. In fact, I think I was a bit stronger, but I kept the intensity low so I can't be certain.

    Funny story: a friend who hasn't seen me in a month stopped by yesterday. When he first saw me, he had this weird expression on his face, and I'm thinking, "Alright, he's gonna comment on my muscles.</Arnold>" So what's he say? "What the hell is wrong with you? You look all swollen, like you got stung by a bee or something." I think that counts as a compliment.

  13. Oh, I should also add that I've started using Lean X-Treme. 1 cap before bed, 1 cap first thing in the morning, and 1 cap 3 hours later. I don't have a control to compare against, so I won't be able to say for certain that the LX did jack ****, but honestly, I don't want to postpone the LX long enough to find out if my gains do indeed drop without it.

    When PCT concludes sunday after next, I'll be natty bulking for the next three weeks. The LX will be out, and I'll add in GXR at 3 caps a day --- breakfast, postworkout/lunch (depending on the day), and dinner. Not that it matters, but I'll likely be on a different multi by then, most likely the Opti-Men.

  14. Today is my last day of PCT. Not much to report, thankfully. I'm now hovering around 190 lbs. Strength hasn't dropped at all, and my arms are still 15" (thank god). I think the weight loss is the result of the SD finally completely clearing my system, and taking it's volumizing effects along with it. Since my bodyfat was a constant 13%, the net result is a gain of rougly 12 pounds of lean mass and 1 pound of fat in 5 weeks total. Not too shabby. Let's hope the numbers don't budge for the weigh in tomorrow morning.

  15. I keep forgetting to update this damn thing!


    Anyway, I weighed in at 192.3 pounds at 13% bodyfat on Sunday morning. No clue where the mystery meat came from, but it didn't stick aroud --- I was 190.3 this morning. All told, I think this little experiment was a success. Or, in the modern digital vernacular, SD is teh w00t.

    I'm now natty bulking for the next 3 weeks. I've added 3 caps of GXR a day to my supplementation regimen, morning, noon, and night. Lessee what impact that has.

  16. Gar. I was down to 188.8 last sunday, and I seem to be hovering around 188 now. I'd like to think this is the GXR at work, but my BF% hasn't budged according to my calipers, and my arms are down to 14 3/4". Most likely, the horrible sleep I got all last week caused some unwanted catabolism. Damn.

  17. Nabeshin, Gawd 12 weeks of CEE!!? Everytime I do this stuff I am bloated for hours and it taste like I am drinking bile.

  18. I've never noticed any bloat, and I happen to like sour stuff, so CEE and me go together quite nicely. It'll probably be a year-round supp for me (barring the release of xCEEd).

  19. Just thinking out loud here: I plan to cycle next on April 17th. I'm planning on a 3on/2off/3on/2off SD cycle at 15-20 mg ED. I'm contemplating throwing in some 4AD for the last 3 weeks. The wetness should make the gains *really* sick, but the increased shutdown might make the extra benefit moot. Not sure on this one, any thoughts?

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Nabeshin
    Just thinking out loud here: I plan to cycle next on April 17th. I'm planning on a 3on/2off/3on/2off SD cycle at 15-20 mg ED. I'm contemplating throwing in some 4AD for the last 3 weeks. The wetness should make the gains *really* sick, but the increased shutdown might make the extra benefit moot. Not sure on this one, any thoughts?
    I think 4AD would work nicely with SD. How long will you have been off the SD when you start your next cycle on 17 APR?

  21. I'll have been off for 3 weeks on April 17th.

  22. I'm now starting another 3 weeker of Superdrol at 20 mg each day. This one will be followed up by bloodwork, and not by another 3 week cycle 2 weeks later. I'm also going to throw in cardio three days a week for half an hour, first thing in the morning with a scoop of whey protein and a cap of 7OH.

    I'm starting off at 190 pounds at 11% bodyfat. 3 weeks isn't much time for natural work, but I think the GXR aided a great deal in achieving a body recomp effect. This is gonna be a year rounder for me.

    PCT will be the same as the last: moderate nolva and 7OH. The goal is to break the 200 pound barrier. If I achieve this, I will have put on 55 pounds in 9 months at a constant bodyfat percentage.

    Here's hopin' for a decent first year under the iron and steel.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Nabeshin
    If I achieve this, I will have put on 55 pounds in 9 months at a constant bodyfat percentage.
    Not to be an ass or anything, but I really doubt that your bf % has in fact stayed the same. That is almost physically impossible. That would be 55 lbs of LBM in less than a year and most studies have shown about 10 lbs to be the max attainable in a year. Chances are you have gained some bf and water from the overeating but you of course look alot more firm from the increased muscle so the bf % Appears the same. Same thing happened to me last year and as much as i would like to believe I gained 55 lbs of muscle... :P

    I just want you to have some realistic goals ahead.

  24. I've put on 55 pounds of mass --- the calculations would indicate that 6 of those pounds were fat. Regardless, that's a helluva lot, and I don't personally believe it. The margin of error for hydrostatic bf testing is +/-2%, and calipers are +/-2% of that, and god knows where BIA fits into this equation. I definitely feel fatter than 11%! (Although folks have been mentioning without my inquiring that I'm looking leaner as of late.)

    On the flipside, I started out with 11" arms cold and flexed (god I wish I was kidding), and currently have 15" arms. Assuming quite generously that I'm storing .5" as fat, that's a 3.5" difference. Using the ol' ten pounds per inch rule, that would be about 35 pounds of muscle.

    I'm betting conservatively that I'll get around another 7 pounds of LBM from my current SD cycle, and if I do one more cycle between now and the end of next August that's equally as effective, that'll be 14 additional pounds of muscle by the end of my first year.

    So... 49 pounds of muscle in one year? Well, keep in mind that this is my first year of bodybuilding --- and the first year in 5 that I've done anything for fitness, period. Anthony Ellis put on something like 30 pounds of muscle in his first 3 months, and he's natural --- I'm not.

    Unlikely? Yes. Impossible? No. And when you're a pencil neck geek, it's easy to find the determination necessary to achieve non-weenie status as rapidly as possible.

  25. I don't have the guts to do the empty-stomach cardio thing while trying to bulk, as skinny as I currently am. Once I have 180 pounds of lean mass I'll start "experimenting." For now, I'm going to do cardio on my off days for the cardiovascular benefits. Row machine is my weapon of choice here.

    UPDATE: Wait a tick... I'm on SuperDrol. I'll give this approach a shot, and if it cuts into my gains, I'll stop, but I might as well see if body recomp with SD is possible.
    Last edited by Nabeshin; 04-18-2005 at 05:25 PM.
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