it has begun
- 01-18-2005, 01:19 AM
it has begun
waist: 42" (yeah, that's why this is a cutter)
testprop100/trenace75 injected ed
Weeks 1-6 (45 days to be exact)
m4ohn 24mgs ed
cals are dropped back considerably. i'm eliminating carbs after 6pm which accounts for about 150grams of carbs before so that's roughly 600 cals out. fat has dropped down to 60grams or so, where it was around 110grams, so that's another 450 cals out. cardio will be performed 3x per week for 1 hour postworkout.
if ya'll got any opinions, lay em on me.
Last edited by Beelzebub; 01-19-2005 at 08:03 PM.
- 01-18-2005, 01:28 AM
- 01-18-2005, 02:51 AM
Originally Posted by Strateg0s
01-18-2005, 03:15 AM
I would run m4ohn, since it is very similar to 'var. It will help keep your strength up as you drop cals.Originally Posted by Beelzebub
01-18-2005, 12:10 PM
that's all the encourgement i needed, m4ohn it is. decided to run 24mged for weeks 1-6.
Last edited by Beelzebub; 01-19-2005 at 08:03 PM.
01-18-2005, 01:11 PM
I know it completely F%$*s up a schedule, but if you can do cardio first thing a.m. I believe you would get great results, I found it makes quite a difference when I'm cutting anyway.
Hey...just out of curiosity...is that prop homebrew??
01-18-2005, 01:32 PM
nope, it's from a UG lab. cardio in the morning? i don't see it happening. i live 30 minutes from my gym, to do that drive twice a day would suck balls.
Anywho, figured i'd start with my workout yesterday, chest and tris. for this cycle, i'm going to stick with one core basic movement for each bodypart to judge strength gains. so, yesterday, for chest, i got 325 for 7 reps on flat bench. tri's, behind the head one-handed dumbbell raises (i'm sure there's a shorter name), 40's.
01-18-2005, 01:41 PM
01-18-2005, 02:45 PM
Screw the Winny, and extend the m4ohn for two more weeks. I would sart the first week at 20, second at 28, and then bump it to 32, or something in that area. Giving that you are using it with other compounds, you might get enough bang for your buck so to speak at a lower dosage, just a thought.
01-18-2005, 02:56 PM
alrighty, consider it done. no winny it is. i've got 3 bottles of m4ohn that i got from sledge's giveaway on superdrol. 270 pills total. with the split you suggested, it should last for 6 weeks.
01-18-2005, 02:57 PM
01-18-2005, 03:00 PM
Being that you're cutting, and I'm asuming doing low intensity cardio, I suggest doing it at least 4 x wk. That's the accepted minimum amount needed to make it worthwhile. Many people aren't that lucky though and need to do more. Good luck with it though.
01-18-2005, 03:04 PM
yeah, i'm trying to keep my heartrate at 70% during that hour. any less than that, and the machine shuts off thinking that i've quit.Originally Posted by Lean One
01-18-2005, 03:07 PM
01-18-2005, 03:09 PM
eliptical. the stairmaster makes my heartrate jump up to at least 180 within the first couple minutes. and the treadmills are always taken by old women reading their damn magazines.
01-18-2005, 03:39 PM
01-18-2005, 04:03 PM
"treadmills are always taken by old women reading their damn magazines."Originally Posted by Beelzebub
Good luck on the cycle.
01-18-2005, 05:57 PM
Well, if you can get a treadmill, try seting it at 2 or 3 mph on maximun incline.Walk with your hands free at your sides. You can check HR periodicly or just check your pulse. This has been proven most effective at stimulating lipolisis. And it won't shut off on you.Originally Posted by Beelzebub
01-18-2005, 06:08 PM
01-18-2005, 08:49 PM
01-19-2005, 07:38 PM
Today's weight: 267 lbs (1lb loss so far)
Leg's and bi's were today. I didn't figure I'd be feeling anything this soon, but something is definately going on. Squats are 10lbs and 1 rep, got 405 for 6. 395 felt like it was going to crush me last week, almost fell forward on rep 5, today 405 was a joke.
Leg press is up 20lbs, 970 for 6. Standing calves up 2 reps, 225 for 8. For bi's, I'll be using standing EZ curl bar as my strength tester, got 110 for 6. 1 hour of cardio on the eliptical followed at a heartrate staying between 138-145.
I did some math last night, looks like I'm getting around 3100 calories per day, with about 400 grams of protein. I won't change it unless I see something going haywire.
01-19-2005, 08:51 PM
Hey bro you have an end goal weight or Bf% or you just gonna take whatever comes to you in the end? Hell maybe I missed it somewhere, anywho...
01-19-2005, 10:03 PM
nah bro, i don't want to rely on the scale. from my limited experience, the scale can **** with your head if you pay too much attention to it. if i can drop a few inches on my waist and keep the same good measurments, it'll be a success in my book. some added strength wouldn't hurt either.
01-19-2005, 10:37 PM
predictions of measurements after cycle endsOriginally Posted by Beelzebub
arms - 20
neck - 18.5
chest - 50.5
waist - 37
calves - 9.5
01-20-2005, 12:01 AM
01-21-2005, 10:42 PM
Today's weight: 271 lbs
Pretty funny, I'm 1200 calories below maintenance and still gaining weight. I'll do some measurements on Sunday to see how things are going. Today's was shoulders and back. Went rather well, got anxious with dumbbell press, tried 120's, only got 4 reps. It took damn near everything I had to get the damn things up to my shoulders. By that time, I was already spent. I'll try it again next week but I'll have someone assist the weight up. Didn't do deadlifts this week, alternating those with barbell rows from week to week. So, I got 315 on barbell rows for 7 reps. Hadn't done those in a while so I was pleased. Rest of the workout I picked up the pace more concerned with fatiguing the muscle than strength. Got the chance for a treadmill today so I took it. Heartrate of 126-135 for an hour. Pretty damn boring compared to the eliptical but whatever works.
01-22-2005, 09:12 AM
Beezle keep on working on that fat will come off, I think LOL
Seriously stick with the treadmill and keep your heart rate down as Lean One suggested. We want you to keep the muscle and lose the fat so it's important you stay away from stairmasters, ellipticals ect....things that shoot your heart rate through the roof.
Chasec HIIT has it's place and works well but Beezle can only make the gym once a day so HIIT after a workout would be a no no. On off days from training it would be great though.
01-22-2005, 12:01 PM
speaking of off day cardio, i decided to bump it up a notch. on off days, before breakfast, i'll be taking about a 40-45 minute walk. now, that i've got a pretty good idea what pace i need from the treadmill experiment, i can use that as a gauge for how fast the walk should be. doesn't sound like much but i'm sure it'll add up, that's cardio 6 days a week now.
01-22-2005, 12:23 PM
01-22-2005, 12:40 PM
You better watch out. At this rate you're nipping at my heels to get the title of "cardio king"
Oh, and be carefull all that cardio can eat up your muscle.
01-22-2005, 12:42 PM
cardio king? nah, that definately doesn't fit me. not too worried about eating up muscle with the test/tren combo. but if i do notice any decreases in strength, i'll adjust as necessary.Originally Posted by Lean One
01-23-2005, 01:15 PM
Alrighty, end of week 1 measurments.
Weight: 271 lbs (up 3lbs)
Arms : 19 7/8" (up 1/8")
Neck : 19 1/4" (up 1/4")
Chest : 50.5" (up 1/2")
Waist : 41 1/2" (down 1/2")
Thighs : 25" (same) i'm measuring 6" above the knee, not sure if this is the right place or not.
Calves : 16 5/8" (up 1/8")
Not bad for week 1. In all honesty I believe the arm measurments went up from the tricep injection but then again my chest measurment went up as well so I dunno. Thighs? Hell, what can I say? May be about time to bust out the 20 rep squats again, oh joy.
Last edited by Beelzebub; 01-24-2005 at 02:09 AM.
01-23-2005, 02:12 PM
01-23-2005, 02:51 PM
no, they're far from fun. usually, by rep 15 i can hear water rushing in my ears, pausing at the top feels like i'm still squatting, sometimes losing count from the pain distraction. they produce results though, just like anything else that sucks ass.Originally Posted by Chemist63
01-23-2005, 04:05 PM
01-23-2005, 07:16 PM
01-23-2005, 09:52 PM
01-24-2005, 06:53 PM
Weight : 270 lbs
Bench is up 2 reps, got 325 for 9, moving up to 335 next week. Strength is making small improvements compared to last cycle but due to calorie deprivation, I'll take what I can get. Still feel good, no problems.
Tri's are up 5lbs on the one-handed dumbbell behind the head thingy, got 45's for 8.
Decided that since I can do cardio 3X a week in the morning and 3X post-workout, that I would just make them all morning cardio. So, in other words, Monday-Saturday, pre-breakfast, 45-60 minutes of 65% heartrate cardio. That should do it.
01-24-2005, 08:29 PM
01-24-2005, 11:08 PM
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