Serving the Iron Legion: Mithras, Epistane, and Trenavar

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  1. Meet Prep, Week One: Day Two-Pull Complex A
    DB Row: 80x10, 80x10, 90x12, 90x12, 100x10, 100x10
    Cable Straight-Arm Lat Pressdown: 100x10, 110x10, 110x10, 110x10
    --
    Superset:
    DB Hammer Curl: 30x10, 30x10, 30x10, 35x10
    Unilateral Reverse Cable Curl: 35x10, 35x10, 40x10, 40x10
    --
    Superset:
    Cable Upright Row: 60x10, 70x10, 80x10, 90x10, 100x10, 100x10, 110x10, 110x10
    Lat Pulldown, Variant Wide/Close Grip: 105x10, 120x10, 130x10, 140x10, 150x10

    Mass volume session today. Since I began training to powerlift I've taken care to emphasize form over weight with my back training, particularly because my tendons/joints (but tendons in particular) are under enough stress as it is with heavy squats/bench/deads throughout the week. Deadlifts in particular tend to destroy my back and trapezius (and, for what its worth, I have never seen my traps grow so quickly whether natty or on cycle since beginning to power train) so I try to emphasize balance and finesse with my movements here.


    Quote Originally Posted by drewsicle3210 View Post
    Have you ran SD in the past? If so how would you compare the two?
    I ran SD/Trenazone/Stano about 2 years back or so at 20mg for 5 weeks. To date SD is perhaps my least favorite compound. I swelled up something fierce while on but gains were quite slippery and--to me anyways--seemed to be mostly glycogen and not as much "quality" despite eating clean. It was also an incredibly difficult cycle to recover from and my estro/test levels were still out of whack roughly 3 months after PCT. However, my knowledge of training/diet were not as thorough as they are now, so a chunk of the responsibility rests with me. I know I am not the only one who has issues with SD, however.

    I think at higher doses Mithras could function in a similar way (although I'm not using a high-carb diet so I'm not exactly taking advantage of the glyocgen gains), but I did get a similar appearance from Methyldiazirinol/Triumphalis at 60mg. To date, Triumphalis has elicited the most aesthetically pleasing effect on my physique and the gains were more or less easily maintained. If you're ballsy you could attempt to go above 60, but back pumps were almost crippling for me with that compound. I did no cardio during that run and shed bodyfat quite quickly while running only a minor surplus. I will be running it again, that is for sure.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hyde View Post
    You really can't be chiseled & look 'big' at the same time. I mean, guys pinning slin w/ every meal, gh many times/day, & radical amounts of anabolics with the right genetics for it can, but that takes years of hard work coupled with good genetics & the right drugs - for the average user, you're going to kind of have to make a decision to be lean or look swoll in a bigger shirt. Not that either look is better, but it's hard to look 'big' & be shredded simultaneously without lots of years of training at the minimum.
    Oh no doubt brother, that's why I'm not sweating it too much. We all want to be "cut and jacked" but you've got to put your body through hell health-wise (i.e. decades of anabolics and ancillaries) to get there, unless you're genetically disposed. I'm comfortable with where I'm at now, I just don't want to overshoot my weight class!

    When I began to consider powerlifting I had to make some choices regarding what I wanted to "get" out of my training and all that comes with it (diet, discipline, etc.). The more I analyzed competitive bodybuilding (and I mean serious competitive bodybuilding, not just a few local shows here and there, and not physique divisions either) the more it seemed, well, somewhat silly to me. At the end of the day, you've got to pursue competition for self development instead of self gratification. To take a plunge like that just for the opportunity to be subjectively judged amongst complete strangers and by complete strangers is not something I can take seriously. If I'm going to be out on stage, so to speak, I want to be represented by objective standards: you either hit the lift or you miss.

    My phone broke near the start of this log, unfortunately, so I can't quite put any pictures or videos up, which is a bummer. However, I will be getting a replacement prior to the meet and can give you guys something to observe.


  2. Just a brief update, and this occurred on the same day as the previously noted pull complex:

    Impromptu Squat Session:
    BB Squat: 280x3, 325x3, 365x1, 375x1, 385x1, 390x1
    BB Deadlift: 320x5, 370x5, 405x1, 445x1, 455x1
    Leg Press (plates per side): 3x5, 4x5, 5x5, 6x5, 6.5x5
    Leg Extension: 50 repetitions, undulating weights
    Hamstring Curl: 50 repetitions, undulating weights

    For some reason I felt called to the gym. The squat rack, it needed me and I needed it--so I went. This is the first time I've trained in the evening in the past 2-3 years or so, and the first time I've ever pulled a "two-a-day".

    Things went much better than expected, and I'll note that High Volume really shone here as a non-stim pwo that I could dose so close to my usual bedtime.
    Deadlifting was more difficult than I had anticipated, and I'm glad I attempted the higher percentages as singles as it gives me a better gauge about my endurance capacities for the meet.

    Now its time to sleep!
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  3. 405 will be nothinggg at your meet bro. I would t be surprised to see 425

  4. In for sure! Great log this far bud
    Independent

  5. Thanks for following along; I am still anxious about things like commands, pauses, depth, etc.

    Fortunately my replacement phone has been ordered and I'll be able to get some videos up for criticism.
    My singlet arrives on Thursday and I'll get some squatting sessions in with it--zero fcks given about whether the gym crowd likes it.
    The more I can do similar to the meet, the better off I will be.
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  6. Meet Prep Week One: Day Four-Press Complex A
    --Power Movement--
    BB Flat: 225x3, 250x3, 285x3
    Extra Work: 250x3, 250x3, 250x3
    --SST Movement--
    BB CGBP: 210x5, 210x5, 210x5, 210x5, 240x5
    BB OHP: 135x5, 135x5, 135x5, 145x5
    --Accessories--
    DB Flat: 80x5, 85x5, 90x5, 100x5, 100x5 (emphasis on pushing off of the chest)
    DB Lateral Raise: 15x20, 15x20, 20x20, 20x20
    Cable Tricep Pressdown: 100 repetitions, undulating weights

    After yesterday's two-a-day I had a feeling there would be some recovery repercussions--and I was correct, particularly with regards to my arms, delts, and associated tendons. From the heavy rows to the squats/deadlifts, my tendons are feeling battered. Obviously part of the game but fortunately something I can afford to rest with while on cycle.

    I only recently (as in several weeks ago) began to incorporate mobility/stretching into my daily routine. A major misstep on my part to ignore it during my earlier training career, but I suppose its better to start late than never. I'm bringing in particular aspects of the Agile 8/Limber 11 and I do foam roll (I have a small "The Grid" roller) on a regular basis, but my flexibility is lacking and I'm slowly starting to ease into it.

    I'm considering taking the next three days off of training, hitting up the gym for some MISS cardio and thorough foam-roll/stretches, and then attending the USPA's So Cal Meet on Saturday (Long Beach Metroflex) to get an eyes-on sense of my federation/judging/flights, and then dialing everything in to train on Sunday.

    The Central California Open (my first meet) is going to tell me a lot about where I'm at as a novice, where I want to be as a powerlifter, and what I need to do to get there, I'm both excited and anxious but I will get it done!

  7. Wondering what thoughts are on trying to bulk with this run?

    Given the nature of the first meet and my goals, do you guys think it is reasonable to try to scrape by into the 181s or simple to enter the 198s? Granted, I did already register and pay my fee as a 181 but I do have the option to move up or down a class per USPA rules.

    The primary reason I ask is because I'm beginning to feel that I should take advantage of the androgens as my cycling will be somewhat less frequent after this run.

    At this point I do think I'd be viable (i.e. not place dead last) for the 181s--at least, I don't know how many people are in my class/who is coming to the meet--but perhaps not for the 198s.

    The point of this meet is for me to get the experience of meet lifting and all of its technicalities/nuances. Until October 19th, I cannot call myself a competitive powerlifter. After that, its on, and I can take the steps necessary to be competitive/aggressive with the meets.

    For reference, these are the California record holders for the classes I am considering:

    181s:
    Squat: 507 (Lifter A)
    Bench: 352 (Lifter B)
    Deadlift: 600 (Lifter C)
    Total: 1339 (Lifter C)

    *Lifter names denote different people, so these records are all split up.

    198s:
    Squat: 507 (Lifter A)
    Bench: 330 (Lifter B)
    Deadlift: 600 (Lifter B)
    Total: 1383 (Lifter B)

    As you can see there is not much of a difference in the records between the two (taken between 2012-2013), but these guys are the record holders for my state. Of course I'm not trying to set any sort of record or anything with this meet. All I would like is to break 1000 and not bomb out--this is a purely experiential undertaking.

  8. Let's be honest - you're not going to stay 181 forever no matter what. Anybody your height that uses AAS will undoubtedly exceed that weightclass (in powerlifting, where you do NOT want a sub 10% bf) without a severe effort to retain it, and that in & of itself might limit the full potential of the drug use & your frame's potential. If you're really not gunning for a record or to place in the comp, and this is just to get your feet wet, then I'd let your body do what it really wants to right now: grow.

    Just my .02
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by Hyde View Post
    Let's be honest - you're not going to stay 181 forever no matter what. Anybody your height that uses AAS will undoubtedly exceed that weightclass (in powerlifting, where you do NOT want a sub 10% bf) without a severe effort to retain it, and that in & of itself might limit the full potential of the drug use & your frame's potential. If you're really not gunning for a record or to place in the comp, and this is just to get your feet wet, then I'd let your body do what it really wants to right now: grow.

    Just my .02
    I definitely agree here^^^
    Independent

  10. So just a brief update as I've been taking this weekend off:

    No side effects thus far, no lethargy either

    In light of what I observed at the USPA meet yesterday, in terms of squat depth judging and press commands, I will be entering the meet with very conservative goals and openers. I saw a great deal of parallel squats red lighted, and it seems that a below-parallel or ATG squatting was the only sanctioned depth here. Granted, depth will vary with the judges but in my opinion its better for me to put up a smaller total and learn the ins-and-outs of the sport than to go big and walk away frustrated.

    On an unrelated note, I'll be upping my carb and caloric intake.

  11. Bombing out is for guys who are chasing new maxes in a meet. Anything with a white light for you is a new max at this point, so I'd say your going about it the right way keeping it conservative this time. Next time you can be more aggressive, but now I'd focus on getting your name on the books.
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  12. Meet Prep Week Two: Day One-Pull Complex A
    DB Row: 70x10, 80x10, 95x10, 100x12, 100x12, 100x12
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    Superset:
    Cable Upright Row: 100x10, 100x10, 120x10, 130x10, 140x10, 140x10
    Straight Arm, Cable Lat Pulldown: 100x12, 100x12, 120x10, 130x10, 140x10, 140x10
    --
    Superset:
    DB Hammer Curl: 30x10, 35x10, 40x10
    DB Seated Alternate Curl: 20x10, 20x10, 20x10

    Today was supposed to be a squat day, but despite stretching/foam rolling prior to the session my hip flexors and entire groin felt completely thrashed. Not quite the experience I was expecting after taking two days off, but I decided to play it safe and train my back instead.

    Depending on how I feel I will squat later in the week, but I'm considering a squat deload for this week. I'm debating as to whether I should pull or deload the deadlift as well. In their place I would opt for some high volume accessory work (deficit deadlifts, hack squats, leg press, etc.).

    With regards to the meet, I've more or less determined what my goals are and have more or less subtracted 20-30lbs from my gym PRs to work on complete technicality and commands. I will back up my low volume, percentage based approach to the primary lifts with high volume accessory work.

    Hunger has been through the roof as of late, not quite as clean as I'd like it to be (I love peanut butter and honey bunches of oats cereal, I refuse to lie to myself about it any longer) but fat gains seem to be in check. It looks as if the Mithras and Epistane synergy is working well for a recomp.

    I'm also considering running the Trenavar at 120mg throughout if funds allow.

  13. You should run the right dose of Tvar for you - if you're gaining swell at 90, there's a lot to be said for sticking with the lighter dose. And if 120 isn't even cutting it, you're going to need to try 150 or you'll just be wasting your time. Better to be ready to adjust the dosing on the fly I say - Tiny Tony found 150, even when stacked with 90mg of M14AD, to be fairly moderate on sides, & was fully confident he'll be running it at least 180 next time (if not 210).

    I know a guy at the gym who had incredible gains & fat loss with just 90mg over 6 wks with Celtic's trenavar, & he's not a hormone amateur by any means. And his diet/training kinda sucks. But he responded awesome. I mean he dropped 15lbs of fat & his traps/back exploded. Said strength gains were astounding.
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  14. Meet Prep Week Two: Day Two-Press Complex A
    --Power Movement--
    BB Flat: 225x3, 255x3
    Press with Commands: 270x1, 280x1, 285x1
    --SST Movement--
    BB CGBP: 185x5, 210x5, 240x5
    Extra Work: 210x5, 210x5, 210x5
    --Accessories--
    Weighted Dips: +35x8, +35x8, +35x8
    DB Flat: 75x10, 75x10, 75x10
    Lateral Raises: 15x20, 20x10, 20x10, 30x10, 30x10

    Just putting in the work. This week is going to be hectic for me but I will make the the time. I was supposed to receive my singlet last week but I was sent a Sling Shot instead! Unfortunately I'm nowhere near the level to make proper use of that thing, so I had to send it back and will receive my singlet on Thursday. I plan on getting some squat/deadlift sessions in with it to get a feel for it.

  15. Continuation of Meet Two Week Two: Day Two-Legs Complex A

    So after yesterday morning's pressing session I was feeling a bit antsy and wanted to pick things up and put them down. So in for the awkward 4PM deadlift session.

    BB Deadlift: 350x3, 400x3, 450x3, 470x1, 485x1, 450x3, 320x8, 320x8
    Leg Extension: (unilateral) 50x12, 70x12, 90x12, 100x10, (bilateral) 120x10, 130x10, 140x10, 150x10

    In and out, PR set at 97% of my desired competition pull (500). I will be trying to ease towards at least a 495 pull before the meet, but of course if I can get 500 in the better things will be.

  16. Nice pr!

  17. That's what I'm talking about! Looks like Mithras is treating you well enough
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  18. Meet Prep Week Two: Day Three-Pull Complex B
    DB Row: 70x10, 70x10, 70x10, 70x10, 80x10, 90x10, 90x10, 90x10, 100x10, 110x10, 110x10,110x10
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    Seated DB Curl, Alternate: 20x10, 20x10, 30x10, 30x10, 35x10, 15x20, 15x20
    HS Row, Unilateral: 100x10, 100x10, 100x10
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    Cable Lat Pulldown: 110x10, 120x10, 130x10, 140x10
    Cable Upright Row: 100x10, 110x10, 130x10, 140x10

    Phenomenal pumps today. The beating that my back can take is somewhat abnormal, and I really have to experiment with set/rep ranges to get the work in.
    Some of you may be wondering why there are no barbell rows or heavy weighted chins lately: this is because they've been giving me bicep and elbow tendon stress and I'd rather not sacrifice deadlift/bench numbers for them. I favor unilateral dumbbell or HS movements for their flexibility in both range of motion and body position. I also enjoy cable work for volume purposes and because it facilitates supersets.

  19. Meet Prep Week Two: Day Three-Legs Complex B
    --Power Movement--
    BB Squat: 260x3, 300x3, 335x3, 350x1, 360x1, 370x1*
    --SST Movement--
    BB Deadlift: 320x10, 365x8, 410x8
    --Volume Accessories--
    BB Squat: 135x10, 185x8, 210x8, 225x8
    Leg Extension/Hamstring Curl: Supersetted to appropriate pump, unilateral/bilateral undulating weights

    Good session today, you'll note the lower weights used for the squat relative to my previous maxes. These squats (and all squats from here on out) are being taken at a minimum below parallel and more often than not an inch or two away from being ATG. I want to emphasize depth as much as possible to the judges and would rather take a conservative stance at the meet than gamble and earn red lights.

    Deadlifts were killer as usual but I do enjoy them! I am in the process of arranging to (finally!) have a training partner who also powerlifts. He has been gracious enough to reform his split around mine and knows what to look for with depth/form. Hopefully this will give me the final boost I need to cruise into the meet with confidence that my form and depth are more than appropriate.

  20. When's the big day?
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by Hyde View Post
    When's the big day?
    October 19th; I'm getting more and more antsy as it draws nearer. Hopefully I can add about 5lbs to my lifts (with commands) within that time frame.

    This meet is a qualifier for the USPA's international arm, the IPL, and if I was to reach a particular total I may be able to barely scrape in for the IPL Worlds in November. Granted that's quite close but it is somewhat of an encouraging factor for me to really dial things in. Of course I actually have to DO the October meet first, so I'm getting ahead of myself.

  22. Is this cycle going to run straight up until competition time? I don't think you want to be on the down slope of PCT when you compete, but I am new to cycles so ....

  23. Quote Originally Posted by drewsicle3210 View Post
    Is this cycle going to run straight up until competition time? I don't think you want to be on the down slope of PCT when you compete, but I am new to cycles so ....
    You never compete in pct. It's just doing it wrong lol
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by drewsicle3210 View Post
    Is this cycle going to run straight up until competition time? I don't think you want to be on the down slope of PCT when you compete, but I am new to cycles so ....
    Yes this cycle will go up to and including the meet; as Hyde said, PCT is not when you want to be competing.
    If I qualify for the November meet, however, that may be a bit of an issue but we will see.

    I've got plenty of Aegis on hand so things should be okay from a support perspective. I'd also like to buy some Talos once my paycheck rolls in.

  25. Word, learning experience for me. Hyde is a great addition to any cycle!!
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