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    Training: Chest and Delts Power

    DB Flat: 115x5, 115x5, 115x5--100x5, 100x5, 100x5, 100x5 (with twist)
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    Superset:
    HS Dip (free-loaded, weight per side): 45x15, 55x15, 65x15
    DB Flat: 80x8, 80x8, 80x8
    --
    DB Lateral Raise: 15x30, 25x10, 25x10, 25x10
    Tricep Pressdown, Straight-Bar, Reverse Grip: 80x12, 90x12, 100x10, 110x10, 110x10
    --
    Superset:
    HS Flat Press (free-loaded, weight per side): 45x10, 55x10, 65x10, 75x10, 90x8, 75x8, 55x8, 45x8
    HS Shoulder Press (free-loaded, reverse stance): 25x12, 30x12, 30x12, 30x12

    Not the best session today, some ******* was monopolizing the flat bench (they are bolted to the floor) with some sort of absurd DB Row/Lat Pullover routine which, given the monstrous 50lb DB's he was using, required a 6-8 minute rest between sets at a minimum.

    I may be a bit out of date here, but the last time I checked: the gym was a place to train, not **** around.

    I was pretty agitated and managed to knock out several heavier sets with on the DB Flat but afterwards things were pretty skewed for the rest of the session, so I opted for volume instead.

    My primary rationale for all of the flat pressing is that its more or less the only lift that will directly activate my chest. When I first began training, I overemphasized incline and military presses, leading to overdeveloped front delts and an underdeveloped chest that has taken a year to rectify.


    I also want to note that I am incurring some heavy-duty water retention and midsection bloating from the Trenazone, this was a side effect I incurred during my last run of the compound as well and its not attributable to the Triumphalis. By the end of the day, my midsection looks as if I've added 3-4% bf, fortunately this is temporary.

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    Meal B: 120g Oats, 1 scoop Casein, 1 scoop Isolate, 1 cup Egg Whites, 300g Broccoli
    Meal C: 200g Brown Rice, 200g Chicken Breast, Spinach, 100g Tomato
    Meal D: 80g Oats, 1 scoop Isolate, 1 cup Egg Whites, 2 Whole Eggs, 100g Tomato
    Meal E: 2 cups Cottage Cheese, 100g Tomato

    ~3184kcal, 60g fat, 315g carb, 346g protein

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    So have you gotten the estro sides under control? You were dosing the Formeron at two pumps correct?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dtrain13 View Post
    So have you gotten the estro sides under control? You were dosing the Formeron at two pumps correct?
    There is still some general puffiness and sensitivity, but no burning/pain. Water retention is bad at this point but I expected that as a side I experience with Dienolone/Trenazone (though to my knowledge the compound itself does not aromatize). I'm also using Trestobol which does aromatize and can aggravate gyno or estrogen symptoms if left unchecked.

    I'm still dosing the Formeron at two pumps but it has done little to allay the water retention; though I suppose its efficacy can be seen in a negative sense: I'm not experiencing burning/painful lumps so the Formeron is working. If you see what I mean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SPLocal View Post
    There is still some general puffiness and sensitivity, but no burning/pain. Water retention is bad at this point but I expected that as a side I experience with Dienolone/Trenazone (though to my knowledge the compound itself does not aromatize). I'm also using Trestobol which does aromatize and can aggravate gyno or estrogen symptoms if left unchecked.

    I'm still dosing the Formeron at two pumps but it has done little to allay the water retention; though I suppose its efficacy can be seen in a negative sense: I'm not experiencing burning/painful lumps so the Formeron is working. If you see what I mean.
    From what I've read 4 pumps is preferred and I've seen it recommended while on cycle.
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    Training: Back and Biceps Power

    BB Row: 255x5, 255x5, 275x5, 280x5, 280x5
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    DB Row: 100x8, 105x8, 110x8, 110x8, 110x8
    HS Isolation Curl: 45x8, 70x8, 80x8, 80x8, 80x8
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    (Superset)
    Lat Pulldown, Close-Grip: 100x8, 130x8, 145x8, 160x8
    Cable Curl, Rope-Grip: 80x20, 100x10, 110x10, 110x10
    Lat Pulldown, Wide-Grip: 145x10, 130x10, 100x10, 100x10

    Decent session today; I'm considering swapping my BB Rows as the 5x5 for above-the-knee rack pulls. I'd like to have some sort of all-out, heavy barbell movement that I can use to really overload my arms, grip, and back with and I think rack pulls in the 5-6 range would be conducive to this.

    On the flip side, progress was made on the DB Rows and Isolation Curl superset. I'd also like to bring in another free-weight lift and shy away from so much pulldown work (unfortunately t-bar and corner rows tend to aggravate my biceps and forearm tendons during the pull.

    Any thoughts on this? My only concern is that the heavy rack pulls will put me at a disadvantage for volume deadlifts the day afterwards, both in terms of back recovery and grip strength.

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    Meal D: 300g Sweet Potato, 250g Chicken Breast
    Meal E: 1 cup Cottage Cheese, 3 Whole Eggs, 1 scoop Casein

    3270kcal, 66g fat, 281g carb, 388g protein
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    If it's volume back day neither grip nor muscle soreness will be a concern - the weight should be light enough on volume that grip won't be an afterthought (if you can't hold your 8RM weight how the hell would you be able to pull your 1RM, right?), and the volume of dead will finish tearing fibers you started the day before but didn't get enough volume to fully thrash (like traps & such) - a bodybuilding win.

    And even if all of this theory is wrong, it's gonna be fine anyway. You're strong and determined; pick **** up like you know how. No different than the bulgarians squatting 6 days/wk w/ varying loads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyde View Post
    If it's volume back day neither grip nor muscle soreness will be a concern - the weight should be light enough on volume that grip won't be an afterthought (if you can't hold your 8RM weight how the hell would you be able to pull your 1RM, right?), and the volume of dead will finish tearing fibers you started the day before but didn't get enough volume to fully thrash (like traps & such) - a bodybuilding win.

    And even if all of this theory is wrong, it's gonna be fine anyway. You're strong and determined; pick **** up like you know how. No different than the bulgarians squatting 6 days/wk w/ varying loads.
    You know, I was thinking about this after I posted and I came to the same conclusion: why the hell am I worrying about back/grip recovery when I'm hitting an entire back session the day before I deadlift? Talk about needless worrying; I did the damn thing last week, I'll do it this week and the next week, and the next week!
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    Training: Legs and Triceps Power

    BB Squat: 320x5, 360x5, 370x5, 370x5, 370x5
    CGBP: 225x5, 235x5, 235x5, 235x5, 245x5
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    BB Deadlift: 225x8, 320x8, 350x8, 350x8, 350x8
    Tricep Pressdown, Straight-Bar Reverse Grip: 80x12, 90x12, 100x10, 110x10, 110x10, 110x10
    --
    Leg Extension: 110x12, 130x12, 150x12, 190x12, 200x10, 200x10
    Unilateral: 50x10, 50x10, 50x10, 50x10

    Exhausted once again, but pleased with the session; I began dosing taurine as soon as I woke and it definitely helped get me through the squats, though the back pumps began to pick up once deadlifts came around.

    It is difficult to muster full strength for tricep training after the heavy leg work; and I've found that the CGBP is putting an unwanted amount of stress on my still-cold delts and chest, so I'm going to opt for heavy skullcrusher/overhead extensions instead. At this point the triceps are being trained either directly or indirectly three times per week--it has yet to impact my pressing and I figure I will use this isolation day to really feel out the contractions rather than move heavy weight.

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    Meal B: 100g Oats, 1 scoop Isolate, 1 cup Egg Whites, 1 cup Cottage Cheese, Spinach, Tomatoes
    Meal C: 200g Brown Rice, 200g Chicken Breast, 200g Broccoli
    Meal D: 200g Brown Rice, 200g Chicken Breast, 2 scoop Casein
    Meal E: 1 cup Cottage Cheese, 2 scoop Casein

    3227kcal, 55g fat, 288g carb, 395g protein
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    Summary: Week 2

    Thoughts

    Strength and size gains have become increasingly evident; I am maintaining a heavy amount of water due to the Trenazone/Trestobol combination but there are certainly mass gains as well.

    I have made a steady, linear progress with all major compound lifts and have increased either the intensity or loads of my workouts with each session.

    Now that I have spent 2 weeks with this 5-day split, I will be modifying it somewhat to bring in more free-weight exercises (particularly for the chest-delt-tri complex) and relegate machine work to the end of the sessions.

    Lift Assessment

    Due to some modifications, I cannot make as structured as assessment as my previous post.

    The Week 3 Assessment will have a more secure comparison, but my squats, pressing, and deadlift abilities have increased in weight and repetitions.

    For reference, my volume squats were 300x8 at the start of this log, and have increased to 320x8; while my power squats were at 360x5 and have increased to 370x5.


    Consumption
    I will continue to maintain my ~400 calorie surplus.

    Dosing Modifications
    I will be increasing the Triumphalis dose to 60mg (4 capsules).

    The Trestobol dose hovers between 20-30mg pre-workout, I have noticed some aggravation and sensitivity upon dosing, and have increased my Formeron dose accordingly.

    Because I am dosing the Trestobol 5 days per week, I’m essentially “running” the compound more or less, so I will keep an eye out for further estrogen concerns.

    I will maintain the Trenazone at 3mL but have considered increasing to 4mL if funding allows.

    Side Effects
    Prominent back/calf pumps, increased blood pressure, nipple puffiness/sensitivity, heavy water retention and bloating, acne, and general lethargy (though not as severe as my SD run). I've also incurred some new stretch marks.

    There has been no hair loss or prostate swelling.
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    Week 3

    Volume Training: Chest, Delts,and Triceps

    Heavy Primary Movement:
    DB Flat: 100x5, 110x5, 115x5, 115x5, 115x6
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    Volume Movements:
    BB Decline: 200x8, 200x8, 200x8, 200x6/140x10
    Seated DB Lateral Raise: 10x20, 20x12, 30x10, 30x10, 30x10
    --
    Chest Cable Flye: 30x30, 40x20, 50x10, 50x10, 40x20, 30x20
    Rear Delt Flye (machine): 40x30, 50x20, 60x15, 60x15
    --
    EZB Overhead Extension, Seated: 50x10, 70x8, 70x8, 70x8, 40x20
    DB Flat: 50x10, 60x10, 70x10, 80x10

    Intense session, I'm pleased with the numbers and contractions were excellent.

    After I experimented last week with DB Flat pressing on both the power and volume days for a primary "wake up" lift, I will be going back to the DB/BB split to keep myself fresh with the movement. DB Flat will still be retained as a volume movement on both days, however.

    Tomorrow is the squat-deadlift volume day, perhaps the most dreaded day of the week for me, but I will make it mine!

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    Meal B: 100g Oats, 1 scoop Casein, 1 cup Egg Whites, 4tbsp Powdered Peanut Butter, Spinach, Tomatoes
    Meal C: 4 slices Ezekiel bread, 200g Chicken Breast, Spinach, Broccoli
    Meal D: 80g Oats, 2 scoop Casein, 1 cup Egg Whites
    Meal E: 1 cup Cottage Cheese, 2 scoop Casein

    ~3156kcal, 48g fat, 314g carb, 367g protein
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    Glad to hear you're on & gaining strength & mass; remember volume squats & deads are more about mental toughness - think strong, & you'll have all you need to get through.
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    Training: Legs/Back/Biceps Volume

    BB Deadlift: 320x10, 320x10, 320x10, 340x10, 350x10
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    HS High Row (weight per side): 70x12, 95x8, 120x8, 145x8, 120x8, 95x10, 70x20
    CG Lat Pulldown: 100x15, 130x12, 130x12, 130x10
    --
    Leg Extension: 110x20, 130x10, 150x10, 170x10, 190x10, 200x10
    Unilateral to Exhaustion: 50x15, 50x15, 50x15
    Hamstring Curl: 50x20, 70x15, 90x10, 90x10, 70x15, 50x10
    --
    BB Row: 135x8, 155x8, 185x8--Transition to DB Row: 70x8, 95x8, 100x8, 100x8, 100x8
    DB Concentration Curl: 20x12, 20x12, 20x12--Transition to DB Hammer Curl: 30x8, 40x8
    --
    Cable Curl, Rope Attachment: 60x20, 70x10, 80x10, 90x10, 100x10, 110x10, 110x10, 110x8

    Good sessions today, back pumps decimated me early on however despite taking in about 10-12g of Taurine between waking (5AM) and training (9AM). I wanted to focus on the posterior chain this session since I haven't been able to do as much isolation work for the hamstrings on my standard leg day. I'm fairly certain I make a big ruckus when I deadlift as I really try to go all out. My plan initially was to lift within my set rep ranges but I decided today that, instead, I would do the following: pick up heavy weight for repetitions until I couldn't do it anymore.

    Also, props to Hyde for the encouragement: "think strong, be strong" was a vocalized mantra I used to get through the last deadlift set.

    The rest of the day will be spent recuperating and eating.

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    Meal B: 100g Oats, 1 scoop Casein, 1 cup Egg Whites, 4 tbsp Powdered Peanut Butter, 300g Broccoli
    Meal C: 2 scoop Casein, 1 cup Cottage Cheese
    Meal D: 300g Chicken Breast, Spinach, Tomato, Mushrooms (salad), and 1/2 of an 8-inch, brick-oven, vegetarian pizza (cheat meal)
    Meal E: 200g Chicken Breast, 200g Brown Rice

    Had a cheat meal today so macros cannot be specified; I like to think of it as "smart" cheating though, opting to use the pizza slices as a carb component to the chicken breast and greens.
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    Nice work; I have to use self-talk all the time to get myself in gear. Otherwise I'll bitch out or give up n such.
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    Rest Day

    25 Minutes HIIT: Elliptical

    My posterior chain is absolutely fried from yesterday's session, particularly the deadlifts; looking forward to chest-delt power tomorrow!

    Consumption:
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    Meal B: 4 slices Ezekiel Bread, 200g Chicken Breast, Spinach, Tomato, Pickles
    Meal C: 4 slices Ezekiel bread, 200g Chicken Breast, Spinach, Tomato, Pickles
    Meal D: 2 scoop Casein
    Meal E: 4 slices Ezekiel Bread, 100g Chicken Breast, 1 cup Egg Whites, Spinach, Tomato, Pickles, 300g Broccoli
    Meal F: 2 scoop Casein

    ~3242kcal, 45.5g fat, 296g carb, 411g protein

    I'm not sure why I have an obsession with chicken-and-Ezekiel sandwiches all of the sudden, but I don't mind it.
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    Routine Revisions

    I thought I would post this here for feedback/criticism, I did train today (Chest/Deltoid Power) and had a good session which included some intensity PR's on my DB Flat Pressing (100x7-8 for 3-4 sets after heavy flat presses), a positive development--but I'd like to "declare" the changes I will be making.

    A downfall of mine has been to modify routines too excessively/frequently in the past; I am trying to take advantage of my increased recovery capacities during this cycle by bringing in more 8+ repetition work. I am more generally a fan of 5-8 repetition training during off-cycle phases but I suppose change is necessary.

    Press Complex
    --Power--
    DB Flat: 5x5
    --Chest--
    DB Flat: 5x6-8
    DB Incline: 5x8-10
    --Deltoids--
    DB Arnold: 5x6-8
    DB Lateral Raise: 5x8-10
    --Triceps--
    BB Floor Press: 5x6-8
    Skullcrusher: 5x8-10

    Pull Complex
    --Power--
    Rack Pull: 5x5
    --Horizontal Pull--
    BB Row: 5x6-8
    DB Row: 5x8-10
    --Vertical Pull--
    High Row: 5x6-8
    CG/WG Lat Pulldown: 5x8-10
    --Accessories--
    BB/DB Cur Variantl: 5x6-8
    Cable Curl Variant: 5x8-10

    Squat Complex
    --Power--
    BB Squat: 5x5
    --Quads--
    BB Squat: 5x6-8
    Leg Extension: 5x8-20
    --Hamstring--
    Deadlift: 5x6-8
    Hamstring Curl: 5x8-20
    --Finisher--
    Hack Squat: 5xFailure

    Press Complex Volume
    --Power--
    BB Floor Press: 5x5
    --Chest--
    DB Flat: 5x8-10
    Cable Flye: 4x10-12
    --Triceps--
    Overhead Ext: 5x8-10
    Tricep Pressdown: 4x10-12
    --Deltoids--
    BB Landmine: 5x8-10
    DB Lateral Raise: 4x10-12

    Squat/Pull Complex Volume
    --Power--
    (None)
    --Quads--
    BB Squat: 5x8-10
    Hack Squat: 4x10-15
    --Hamstring--
    BB Deadlift: 5x8-10
    Hamstring Curl 4x10-15
    --Pull Superset--
    DB Row: 5x8-10
    Isolation Curl: 4x8-12
    --Pull Superset--
    CG/WG Lat Pulldown: 5x8-10
    Cable Curl: 4x8-12

    Consumption:
    Meal A: 100g Oats, 1 scoop Isolate, 1 scoop Casein
    Meal B: 4 slices Ezekiel bread, 1 cup Egg Whites, 200g Chicken Breast, Spinach, Tomato
    Meal C: 80g Oats, 2 scoop Casein, 1 cup Egg Whites, Tomato
    Meal D: 4 slices Ezekiel bread, 200g Chicken Breast, 300g Broccoli
    Meal E: 30 g Almonds, 2 scoop Casein, 1 cup Cottage Cheese

    ~3403kcal, 62.5g fat, 304g carb, 405g protein

    Appetite has noticeably increased over the past few days, not sure what to attribute this to.
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    Training: Pull Complex
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    Rack Pull: 350x5, 430x5, 450x5, 480x5
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    BB Row: 255x6, 255x6, 255x6, 255x6, 225x8
    HS High Row (weight per-side): 95x8, 120x8, 130x8, 140x8
    --
    DB Row: 95x8, 100x8, 105x8, 105x8
    BB Curl: 70x8, 90x6, 90x6, 90x6
    --
    Lat Pulldown, WG/CG Alternate Grips: 100x10, 120x10, 130x10, 140x10
    Cable Curl, Rope Attachment: 80x10, 90x10, 100x10, 110x10, 110x8

    Decent session today, I took things a bit easier to feel out the new routine and the rack pulls; I slept terribly last night, netting about 5-5.5 hours of sleep and actually fell back to sleep for about 30 minutes after laying down prior to leaving my room in the morning. Hopefully sleep quality will improve tonight; night sweats and an elevated body temperature have erupted and, along with the increased seasonal heat, are making things difficult, but I will endure.

    I had a long discussion with a friend of mine today regarding training and plans for the long term, I'm beginning to consider that I may--in 1-2 years--have a physique worth competing with, so this is something for me to keep in mind.

    I've also begun to think of what sort of routine I will pursue in PCT (though it is still several weeks away) along with the fact that there seems to be no "tried-and-true" program for bodybuilders in the vein of The Cube, Wendler's 5/3/1, or Madcow/Stronglifts 5x5 for powerlifters/strength athletes. I do enjoy heavy training and perhaps will run 5/3/1 with the Boring-But-Big accessory sometime down the line after maximizing my gains with the current volume, which is in fact a major change from my previous training styles which largely emphasized the 3-6 repetition range.

    Micro-regulating routines can be cumbersome at times, and I think we all suffer more than we would like to admit from turning this "marathon" into a "sprint" for size gains, but I know I must be patient.

    Looking forward to some heavy squats tomorrow, provided I get enough rest!

    Consumption:
    Meal A: 100g Oats, 1 scoop Casein, 1 scoop Isolate
    Meal B: 100g Oats, 2 scoop Casein, 1 cup Egg Whites, 4 tbsp Peanut Butter, Spinach, Tomato
    Meal C: 4 slices Ezekiel Bread, 200g Chicken Breast, Spinach, Tomato
    Meal D: 300g Sweet Potato, 200g Chicken Breast
    Meal E: 2 scoop Casein, 2 Whole Eggs, Spinach, Tomato

    ~3136kcal, 51.5g at, 295g carb, 372g protein
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    Training: Squat Complex
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    BB Squat: 375x5, 380x5, 380x5, 380x5, 380x5
    BB Deadlift: 275x10, 320x10, 350x8, 360x8
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    Leg Extension: 110x15, 130x15, 150x10, 170x10, 190x10, 190x19
    (Unilateral to Exhaustion: 70x10, 50x20)
    Unilateral Hamstring Curl: 50x10, 60x10, 70x10
    --
    Calves
    Leg Press Extension (plates per side): 3x25, 3x25, 4.5x20, 4.5x15, 4.5x15, 3x20

    Excellent session today; after the squats and deadlifts I was completely gassed and had to turn to isolation lifts for the pump. I'm pleased with the 380 squat for reps as well. My legs are absolutely fried and dropping the standard pairing of legs with another muscle group made a huge difference. The pictures don't really show it all too well, but I had quad and hamstring vascularity that I've never seen before, which was encouraging.

    Consumption:
    Meal A: 100g Oats, 1 scoop Isolate, 1 scoop Casein
    Meal B: 100g Oats, 2 scoop Casein, 1 cup Egg Whites, 4 tbsp Powdered Peanut Butter, Spinach, Tomato
    Meal C: 4 slices Ezekiel bread, 200g Chicken Breast, Spinach, Tomato, 2 scoop Casein
    Meal D: 4 slices Ezekiel bread, 200g Chicken Breast, Spinach, Tomato, 300g Broccoli
    Meal E: 30g Almonds, 2 scoop Casein

    ~3414kcal, 58g fat, 313g carb, 410g protein
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    An Extension of Thanks

    I just wanted to make a distinct post to thank henryv, author of the Total Flex Blog--which I'm sure many of you are well familiar with--and representative of both Iron Legion and Antaeus Labs, along with the minds and staff of AL and IL, respectively, for hooking me up with two bottles of the now-discontinued AL Trenazone to augment the rather large dosing protocol I am employing for this run.

    My prior experience with Trenazone was during my SD/Trenazone/Stano run, which was successful on all fronts and logged to positive feedback. I encourage and hope that many of you will consider transdermal dienolone--to be released in a vamped-up formula via Iron Legion under the title "Dienazone--as a non-methyl component to any bulking or recomposition run. In a PH market where cost-effective, non-methylated compounds are few and far between, a transdermal dienolone product is a blessing and well worth the investment for its versatility and potency.
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    Summary: Week 3

    Thoughts

    Strength gains are rolling, size gains appear evident but scale-weight gains have stalled somewhat at ~172, although a 5lb gain in 3 weeks is not shabby (particularly given that this is not an all out bulk), perhaps its a sign that calories should be increased?

    My intake was largely a 400kcal surplus for Weeks 0-2 (Week 0 referring the Trenazone front-load), and heavy water retention appears to occur only after dosing Trestobol and Trenazone. I wake up lean and full, which was an effect I had seen referenced in other Triumphalis logs.

    Appetite has increased over the past few days however, almost worse than the appetite increase of my SD run.
    But the question then becomes:
    Do I elevate calorie further to continue bulking and enter PCT with a continued bulking surplus?
    (In my experience, this is a recipe for fat gains)
    Or do I maintain a moderate surplus of 300-400kcal and enter PCT with more flexibility as bodyfat gains?
    I suppose that's my micro-management tendencies kicking in; on an unrelated note, I need to increase my carbohydrate and fat intake vis-a-vis the protein intake, but I'm wary of the exact amount of carbs someone at my height/weight actually needs, regardless of gear.

    Lift Assessment

    The primary lifts for my chest and back have seen much fluctuation and have been difficult to track; though as a general rule my DB flat pressing strength has increased.

    More notable, and significant for the long term, is that by Week 3 I've added 20lbs to my 5x5 power squat which went from 360 to 380 in total, along with increases in the weight of my volume deadlifts from 320 to 360.

    Side Effects

    Back pumps (though I managed to mitigate them during my last power session)
    Testicular atrophy
    Water retention
    Nipple puffiness/sensitivity (due to Trestobol)
    Elevated body temperature and blood pressure spikes
    Night sweats and sleep difficulties
    Acne
    Calf pumps
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    I'm back at home for the weekend so my training schedule will be a bit skewed, but rest assured everything will be trained!

    (Friday)

    Training: Chest, Delts, and Triceps Volume
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    Pre-Exhaust: HS Incline Press (weight per side): 115x5, 125x5, 135x5, 115x5
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    DB Flat: 80x8, 90x8, 95x8, 100x8, 100x8
    DB Lateral Raise: 20x10, 30x10, 30x10, 35x8, 35x8, 35x8
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    HS Flat (weight per side): 45x8, 70x8, 100x8, 100x8
    Tricep Pressdown, Unilateral Reverse Grip: 30x10, 30x10, 30x10, 30x10

    This session was rushed since I headed back home this weekend, I just wanted to blast my chest with some flat pressing and did so. Handling the 100lb DBs in the 8-repetition range after pre-exhaustion (and with a twist, essentially similar to John Meadows' "Twist Press") demonstrates a strength increase that I'm pleased with.

    (Saturday)

    Training: Legs Volume
    BB Squat: 320x8, 340x8, 340x8, 340x8, 320x6/225x8
    BB Deadlift: 320x8, 340x8, 360x8, 375x6
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    Leg Extension: 105x15, 130x15, 150x12, 180x10, 180x10, 190x10, 205x10
    Hamstring Curl: 80x15, 100x15, 105x10, 105x10

    Excellent squatting session today; that's a a 20lb increase on volume squats from starting the log, and deadlifts are climbing up as well. I know things aren't quite within the stereotypical "volume range" with these lifts, but if I'm going to squat and deadlift back-to-back, I'm going to go as heavy as I can with the secondary movement.

    Training in my local gym today was a nice change of pace; weights are non-rubberized "prison style" Ivanko slag iron and the hammer strength machines are older variants which are a bit more challenging. I'm looking forward to training my back tomorrow. Plenty of compliments today as well from guys who haven't seen me for the past 3-4 months or so, and quad/calf/hamstring vascularity was through the roof.

    Triumphalis is the real deal!

    I won't be able to track my diet as thoroughly over the next few days as I'll be enjoying some of my Dad's grill preparations, but fortunately he is on board with my training and makes accommodations. Calories will likely be a bit over but I will tighten things up as soon as I get back to my university on Monday. Rest assured, though, a visit home is not an excuse to eat dirty for me.
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    Enjoy some good food - the extra cals for a few days wont hurt if you're already wondering if your daily macros are becoming a bit low. Putting in great work; it's nice to see the Triumphalis is making a big difference for you vs just the dienelone & trest (dienelone I could see gains from, but trest prob more of an intensity/vascularity/base type of compound).

    Where are you at as far as libido & erection quality right now (or lack thereof)? I am curious how the dienelone & trestobol are affecting that. When you're single it doesn't matter but if I get into a relationship my compound choices have to accomodate that (got some Halotestin coming for fall, but if I have a gf then iit's gonna sit on the shelf during the winter cycle).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyde View Post
    Enjoy some good food - the extra cals for a few days wont hurt if you're already wondering if your daily macros are becoming a bit low. Putting in great work; it's nice to see the Triumphalis is making a big difference for you vs just the dienelone & trest (dienelone I could see gains from, but trest prob more of an intensity/vascularity/base type of compound).

    Where are you at as far as libido & erection quality right now (or lack thereof)? I am curious how the dienelone & trestobol are affecting that. When you're single it doesn't matter but if I get into a relationship my compound choices have to accomodate that (got some Halotestin coming for fall, but if I have a gf then iit's gonna sit on the shelf during the winter cycle).
    Trest is certainly useful as a base but I know the strength/size is coming from the Triumphalis/Trenazone combination (I'm sure my relatively high dosing contributes as well).

    Libido wise I've had no issues, everything is still functioning and performance hasn't been impacted. I find that typically when I cycle, though, sex is pretty far from my mind unless my girlfriend is right there in front of me. Perhaps it is the same for others? When the deed needs to be done, I can do it, but I don't turn into a dog as others do with particular compounds. For what its worth, Trenazone has been known to impact libido, but I have not seen similar side effects mentioned in the other Triumphalis logs--so I do think it would be good to go.
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    I noticed Elite Formulations picked up the rights to the Ultradrol name from Antaeus? Thought that was interesting, although I don't think there's gonna be the same demand as when they were the only msten supplier on the block (it's everywhere & fairly affordable now, & people realize you need at least 20mg).

    Good to know the business can still roll out on a ho with this combo for you (I know trestolone was created as a male contraceptive but as its mainly marketed as a base compound like stano I wondered what it would actually do to guys downstairs). I will probably always avoid dienelone in the near future (pro-trenbolone would def be my first choice if I choose to use a progestin & fight my gyno with prami the whole cycle/pct), but nice to know it's not absolutely crushing. But I'm same way during cycles I've had (unless I'm using a lot of 4dhea) - sex is only an afterthought. Training, diet & growing are where my mind is.
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    Just a small update here; I'm now back at university and will resume the detailed logging tomorrow.
    I did train today (press complex, power) and hit 305x1, without any hands-on spotting, this was a major accomplishment for me.

    I also just got my copy of Jim Wendler's 5/3/1 book (second edition), and I cannot wait to begin this program during PCT and on into the inter-cycle period. I hope that the strength training of 5/3/1 and its assorted assistance program (I'm still trying to decide between Boring But Big or the Triumvirate) will give my body the impetus to retain all mass/strength gains made as things return to homeostasis.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hyde View Post
    I noticed Elite Formulations picked up the rights to the Ultradrol name from Antaeus? Thought that was interesting, although I don't think there's gonna be the same demand as when they were the only msten supplier on the block (it's everywhere & fairly affordable now, & people realize you need at least 20mg).

    Good to know the business can still roll out on a ho with this combo for you (I know trestolone was created as a male contraceptive but as its mainly marketed as a base compound like stano I wondered what it would actually do to guys downstairs). I will probably always avoid dienelone in the near future (pro-trenbolone would def be my first choice if I choose to use a progestin & fight my gyno with prami the whole cycle/pct), but nice to know it's not absolutely crushing. But I'm same way during cycles I've had (unless I'm using a lot of 4dhea) - sex is only an afterthought. Training, diet & growing are where my mind is.
    Yeah, quite a strange move on their part to keep the 4mg dosing. I can see people paying for a guaranteed purity but with IML now competing in that sphere they won't dominate the market anymore. On the other hand, people are still somewhat wary of the whole Shredded Labs debacle so perhaps they will be able to move product.
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    Shredded only had problems with their M1A & Hexadrone....apparently all their other raws have been legit: at least, nobody has reported any reason to believe the rest of their products were bunk...sucks, that kind of stuff can happen to anyone really.
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    Training: Squat Complex
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    BB Squat: 430x1, 385x3, 385x3, 350x5, 350x5, 350x5
    BB Deadlift: 430x5, 410x5, 380x5, 320x8
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    Leg Extension: 110x12, 150x12, 190x12
    Unilateral to Exhaustion: 90x10, 90x10, 70x10, 70x10
    Unilateral Hamstring Curl: 40x20, 60x10, 70x10

    Good session today; glad to test my 1RM in preparation for 5/3/1. I followed the 430 with a missed 450 attempt, I managed to come out of the hole but couldn't grind through it. I will take my deadlift 1RM sometime within the next week.

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    last warmup at 405 for a single, 8 min rest, 450 like a boss. Make sure you got some heavy music in your earbuds or the background, and if you don't have any ammonia have somebody give you a good bitchslap across the back before you go to the bar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyde View Post
    last warmup at 405 for a single, 8 min rest, 450 like a boss. Make sure you got some heavy music in your earbuds or the background, and if you don't have any ammonia have somebody give you a good bitchslap across the back before you go to the bar.

    I may try this before the run is through; a 450lb squat at ~175 is not shabby at all!
    My warmups included a 400x1, 410x1, 430x1 before attempting the 450, so I'm sure if the stars align correctly I could nail it at least once.
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    Too many heavy pulls before the max attempt. Cut the 400 & 430, 410 to 450 is a very reasonable bridge. After getting loose with 135 you want the least possible reps to make the jump to your max attempt. And when you pull, decide that you are pulling it. Don't grit & hope to succeed. DO. Tell yourself I CAN, I WILL, I AM!

    I remember reading this muscle & fitness interview w/ an 800lb deadlifter at like a 170's weightclass or something stupid. He said when he goes to pull, he knows in his mind he will finish no matter what - tells himself, "My back will snap in half before I quit trying to finish this lift." Kindof a scary sentiment, but that's absolutely the diehard crazy mentality you need to bring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyde View Post
    Too many heavy pulls before the max attempt. Cut the 400 & 430, 410 to 450 is a very reasonable bridge. After getting loose with 135 you want the least possible reps to make the jump to your max attempt. And when you pull, decide that you are pulling it. Don't grit & hope to succeed. DO. Tell yourself I CAN, I WILL, I AM!

    I remember reading this muscle & fitness interview w/ an 800lb deadlifter at like a 170's weightclass or something stupid. He said when he goes to pull, he knows in his mind he will finish no matter what - tells himself, "My back will snap in half before I quit trying to finish this lift." Kindof a scary sentiment, but that's absolutely the diehard crazy mentality you need to bring.
    I believe I've seen the video of that guy, associated with Animal/Universal, right?

    Hell, if I can pull 430x5 after squatting my max, I know I can hit much more than 450lb deadlift; the missed 450 attempt refers to my squat (all of which were done before I deadlifted). This weekend I will be shooting for my deadlift 1RM but as you've always said, and are correct about: think strong, be strong.
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    lol my bad, I see now. What are you gonna pull? 475? 495? You gotta have 495 in you, easy. Prob higher.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyde View Post
    lol my bad, I see now. What are you gonna pull? 475? 495? You gotta have 495 in you, easy. Prob higher.
    I have not taken my deadlift 1RM for several months, I'll be interested to see where its at, I think 480-90 is certainly possible; if I could pull 500 I'd be ecstatic, I plan on tackling the lifts via 50lb increments or so.

    On an unrelated note, I had no issues with back pumps today and have been following your suggestion of liberal taurine dosing upon waking and preceding the training session.
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    Can't hurt; I've used as much as 30g spaced thru the day I bet in 5-6g doses with zero sides, & never heard anyone else to notice any sides at 20+g either. It's like the 2nd most prevalent amino in the body besides glutamine or something. Glad you're beating the pumps!
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    Summary: Week 4

    Thoughts

    Time is truly flying by with this run, but it has largely been an enjoyable experience thus far. At this point in the cycle, I can better assess each compound and would like to notify readers of the modifications I have made to dosing and ancillary protocols. I apologize for the sparse Week 4 updates, things were hectic with my traveling and will continue to get busier as I approach my final exams. However I have neither missed training sessions nor meals at any point in this log.

    First, I've dropped the Trestobol.

    I've developed some puffiness and what feels like dense tissue beneath my right nipple, while both nipples in general are puffy as is the standard response to hormone use. This current inflammation, however, feels sore to the touch. While there are no burning/itching sensations, both nipples are visibly distended and protruding during full-fledged agitation but there has been no growth of tissue around the areola.

    Now, the strange part: this swelling/sensitivity grows and subsides as the day goes on. Upon waking, my nipples are normal in appearance, with perhaps only a slight and minor puffiness until I begin to dose my PHs.

    At no point in this cycle did I dose above 40mg of Trestobol pre-training, and over the past two weeks have been tapering doses down to 30mg and 20mg to glimpse whether or not I saw the same response: the result was an absence of the pumps/energy for which Trestobol is known, but the persistence of the sides (bloating/water retention/sensitivity) regardless of the smaller dose, so I've dropped it.

    For what its worth, I am in fact gyno-sensitive and had hoped that 12.5mg Exemestane daily would keep things in check, but it has failed to do so. At this point, I will be bringing out a low daily dose of Nolva to prevent further agitation.

    Which leads me to the current status of Triumphalis and Trenazone dosing:
    Triumphalis-60 mg
    Trenazone-4 mL

    This combination has produced a linear increase of strength, as is visible from the stable increase in loads utilized for my squats and deadlifts over the course of the log. I've been somewhat erratic in stabilizing my upper-body regiments as I still come to terms with my abilities (or lack thereof) with barbell pressing movements, though my DB pressing strength has seen a continuous increase (as have my endurance abilities).

    The aforementioned increases in load and intensity are in part due--I'm sure--to my decision to lower loads at the beginning of this log as I transitioned away from the crutch of hands-on spotting to a more self-sufficient and personal approach to training. Some of my strength then, has not disappeared, but is rather reasserting itself as I become my psychologically acclimated to hands-off training.

    My 1RM tests in preparation for 5/3/1 demonstrate that these androgens have played a major role in preserving my strength during this transitional phase. As much as I would like this log to be one of near-endless PRs and weight smashing, I understand that in the long term it is better for me to pace myself so that my long-term journey towards cultivating a physique that is both "show" and "go".

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    As has been implied, I'm already looking towards PCT and the months-long gap between this cycle and the next (which, if all goes well, will involve Mithras). During this period I will center my focus on strength training and optimizing my routine towards a proper balance of strength and hypertrophy. Increasingly, I've come to see the extent to which natural bodybuilding is a farce for all but the genetically gifted few--regardless of disciplined diet/training/supplementation--and as a trainee who will most likely not employ AAS at any point in the near future, I have to both reorient my goals and my efforts in the "gray" world of PH/DS use.

    Sides

    All aforementioned side effects still apply, notably the increased nipple inflammation discussed earlier.
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    While this is debated, many believe that Nolva will aggravate the sensitivity of the progesterone receptors...meaning that using it to defeat gyno while on a progestin such as Trenazone might actually have the opposite effect: further aggravation.

    Crank that Exemestane to 25mg e/d for duration of cycle & bring in liquid Pramiplexole, start at .3-.5mg (however brave you're feeling) and crank it as fast as you can handle til you get to 1mg e/d (do NOT start at 1mg!), for duration of cycle. Prami doesn't need to be tapered off so you can drop it when you come off the progestins (or whenever you feel prolactin is controlled).
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    Training: Chest and Deltoids

    BB Incline: 270x1, 230x5, 190x5, 140x5
    DB Flat: 100x8, 100x8, 100x6, 100x6
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    DB Arnold: 40x12, 50x8, 50x8, 50x8
    DB Lateral Raise: 35x10, 35x10, 30x12, 25x15
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    Cable Flye: 40x12, 40x12, 50x10, 50x10, 50x10
    Tricep Pressdown: Done to sufficient contraction/failure

    Opted to test my BB Incline 1RM today and gauge how the loads feel as a whole; I believe I will opt for, as the 5/3/1 template calls for, an Overhead Press day rather than using the Incline Press as a primary lift. I did in fact notice that my overall training intensity/focus benefits from splitting the chest-delt-tricep chain into pairings of Chest/Tricep and Chest/Delt.

    Tomorrow I may attempt to gauge my deadlift maximum if I'm feeling well and have slept well.

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    Training: Pull Complex

    BB Deadlift: 480x1, 430x10 (singles, 30-40 second rest between each)
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    HS High Row (weight per side): 70x10, 90x8, 115x8, 125x8, 125x8
    HS Low Row (weight per side): 70x10, 90x10, 115x10, 125x10, 125x10
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    BB Squat: 320x6, 320x6, 320x6, 320x6
    Leg Extension: Done to sufficient contraction and full exhaustion
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    Lat Pulldown, Wide-Grip: 100x12, 130x8, 145x8, 160x8, 100x12
    Cable Curl, Rope-Attachment: 80x10, 90x10, 100x10, 110x10, 110x10

    I'm pleased with the deadlift 1RM, but a bit perplexed. These numbers are all accurate, but are not quite making sense to me from a programming perspective. Am I potentially undershooting my maxes and/or approaching them incorrectly with my warmups?

    Since I began my training career, my adage has been: lift heavy until you cannot lift anymore.

    Now to hit 480x1 as my 1RM, and follow it up with pulling 10 singles at ~90% of my 1RM, and then to follow that up with several sets of squats at ~75% of my 1RM for more than 5 repetitions per set--is there something amiss here?

    To be big, one must lift big, eat big, and rest well. The early years of my training consisted of sets largely in the 3-5 range for almost all exercises, along with accessory movements like floor presses and rack pulls--and lifting at or near 80-90% of my 1RM multiple times weekly. Breaking all the rules? It seems to be so, particularly as I review Wendler's long term 5/3/1 plan.

    But hell, I enjoy doing it, and my body responds well to it, and I have a habit of forcing my CNS to power through lifts as a matter of principle, and I've never taken a deload week, or even anything more than perhaps 2-3 days off of training in my career thus far.

    Keep in mind, I am not, nor do I aspire to be, a competitive powerlifter, but my goal--aside from ultimately competing--is to be a thick backed, tree-trunk legged, big-armed, wide-chested mother****er.

    So can anyone please advise me as to why my performance in the gym seems to defy conventions in both bodybuilding and powerlifting spheres? I have the feeling that the hands-on spotting I employed for the past several years allowed for a sufficient degree of endurance, CNS conditioning, and intensity to work with supra-maximal loads without injury, and that this has contributed to my ability to sustain this sort of training for so long.

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    Even in PCT right now, I don't take off days unless I need them & don't lift/eat/sleep any less intensely when I'm off cycle. It's a life-style 24-7. I lift heavy every single week (unless working around a tweak or injury), I just have more volume on cycle since I can stay at the gym for 2hrs or more & know I'm not catabolizing and going backwards. The 3 months of 5/3/1 I did, I never deloaded properly. They just became bodybuilding weeks with extra cardio that ended up being just as intense or more as the usual heavy lifting. Deloading is a sham. It's not something to be done routinely, it's something you do AS NECESSARY. If you are burnt out, injured, sick of the gym, have personal issues, then one should always take as much time off as they need, because real life happens.... but why lift light or take full off-time if you're ready to go? Nobody got stronger by not lifting. If we could get stronger lifting only light weights, we would.

    Sorry for the soapbox, but I agree with you. If you're ready, lift. That's what you love, so even if you only broke even it would be worth it.
  

  
 

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