- 03-07-2013, 04:03 PM
Yeah I'm gonna do natty after this. And I'm going to do everything in my power to keep my gains. This is off topic but my arms started out at 12" which is pathetic and now they're almost 13". I used gainer shakes for a month before I started so that might have something to do with the quick jump up. Thanks again for your input. And I agree, I could of waited and done things differently and I will from now on. Life's a constant learning cycle
- 03-07-2013, 04:05 PM
You won't ever see an inch in a month without serious gear. Its probably a coincidence of measuring after a work out or something. A whole inch is much more than it seems. I've gained 2 inches in about 3+ years. Granted inches are WAY harder for a guy my height.
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03-08-2013, 04:40 PM
Question: After my workout today, my triceps are shaking/having spasms if I put any weight or flex them. I pushed myself to the limit using 40lb dbs for extensions. This a good thing? I drink plenty of water and milk every day. Maybe pushing them to the brink is good? Thanks.
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03-08-2013, 08:48 PM
Yeah I'm pushing the limit. That's why I'm seeing my muscles grow now more than ever. If week 3-6 is gonna be better, I can't wait!!! Super stoked. Went to *** today and got Taurine & Liver Support to go along with my cycle assist & creatine. Also grabbed some fish oil and a good multi. Thanks for the help guys! Also everyone that sees me is telling me I already look bigger. That's a HUGE boost to keep going!
03-09-2013, 01:03 AM
03-09-2013, 01:09 AM
Does anyone else think he should throttle back on the training frequency? Six days a week, hitting everything twice I imagine, is an awful tall order for a guy who is clearly a very hard gainer, even with chemical help. I would suggest not doing more than four days a week, and really think a Monday/Wednesday/Friday split would be best.
Oh yeah, don't worry about the quivering triceps. That just means you hit em good.
03-09-2013, 09:52 AM
03-09-2013, 11:22 AM
If I were you I would just start reading the best logs you can find from the most experienced people on this forum. You need to make sure that you set out a good diet that is not just winging it and eating as much as you can and also get a set routine in the gym that does not consist of 6 days on and 1 off. 3-4 days is far better. If you want to hit group twice per week then fine but you can do that in 4 days. Your body needs rest for growth more than it needs to the gym for growth. I'm not coming down on you but I read through some of these posts and it kind of worries me. Get a diet plan and 3-4 day routine worked out and lets hear it. Its not as easy as take a pill, lift hard as many days a week as possible and eat as much as possible. Sorry for the toughness but at 155 with what seems to be very little lifting knowledge, this seemed needed. You're taking steroids, man.
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03-09-2013, 05:46 PM
So Mr. Chase I imagine will make up his own mind as will everyone else on this forum so I think the best thing to keep in mind is to get as much advice as one can and critically anylize it for yourself and come up with an educated decision best on all info.
Hopefully didn't offend anyone.
03-09-2013, 06:55 PM
First of all, he isn't taking a prohormone. He's taking a steroid. Second, since when do hardgainers do better with less rest? That's completely counterintuitive. There's no way spending more time in the gym will add more mass to someone whose body is already reluctant to do so, even with the aid of steroids. The harder it is for someone to gain, the less time they should spend in the gym. He needs to apply a stimulus for growth - that's training intensely - and then go home and eat. Minimal physical activity outside the gym, plenty of sleep, and a day of rest between each session is probably ideal. A Doggcrapp-style split would probably be best for him; not a Doggcrapp routine, as that's too advanced for him, but the split would be ideal. The body split into two sessions, training Monday/Wednesday/Friday, or at least every other day. I've never ever ever seen or heard anything to make me believe or even suggest that hardgainers do better training more often, steroids or otherwise. And it's not like he's on a heavy cycle that will supercharge his recovery capacity. It's just Epi.
Again, sorry if I sound rough, but it just really threw me to read that. If you've got data to support your point I'll apologize and backtrack, but I don't think such data exists.
Man, there's a ton of hot chicks just pouring out of the grocery store, and I'm sitting here in my truck wasting time effing around with you guys...
03-09-2013, 07:18 PM
I love you guys. I know I should have waited and done more but that's too late. Thanks for the advice even it if means arguing amongst yourselves. Have a good weekend everyone! And go get them girls bro!
03-10-2013, 03:59 PM
I started out <170 lbs @ 6'6" so lean is an understatement. The less time for me to generate a proper growth stimulus, the better. Its just more cals burned than used for hypertrophy after a certain point. Everyone has a different curve for optimum recovery, I just see a hardgainer like myself when I see your pics. Time will tell what works best for you.
03-13-2013, 01:32 PM
So week 1 is in the books. Starting weight 150. Weight now is 158-160 depending on time of day. Pretty much all gains I've gotten have been very lean muscle. Pecs starting to form, shoulders getting more defined and round. Overall, good first week. Looking forward to second week at 30 and then 40 for the 3rd - 5th week. Thanks again for all the advice and lectures guys. It really means a lot.
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