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    New Havoc Cycle info and PCT


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    33 years old. 18 years of lifting - of course I had periods in my life where I wasn't in the gym for a while. I quit drinking. My diet is better than good but not amazing. I've pulsed 3 times before over 5 years with nice results. This time I am doing a straight cycle. I am 5'11, 235 lbs, 23%bf. Overall I am in good health but I need to lower my Cholesterol and lose weight. Goal is to be 15% by september 2013

    bloodwork was just done. Please ask for any numbers/stats I left out.

    cholesterol - 329 total (240 and over is considered high), 63 tri, 37 HDL, 279 LDL (190 and over is considered very high)
    free T4 = 1.15 (thyroid I believe)
    sodium - 139
    pot - 4.7
    chloride - 102
    CO2 - 27
    glucose - 89
    creatine - 1.2 (within normal range despite creatine supplementation)
    gfr - under 60
    gfraa - under 60
    calcium - 9.8
    protein - 7.8 (.1 over normal)

    basically all numbers are good and normals

    Free Test - 14 (9-30)
    total test - 431 (240-950)
    doctor said these numbers look good but I am not happy at all with it and I would like to know if I could go on medication for raising my test.

    insulin - 9.6 (2.6-24.9)

    clear and clean urine analysis as well (if that even matters)

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    wheres the cycle layout?
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    Cycle info: 6 weeks

    Havoc - 20/30/40/40/40/40 (I have 148 caps and this works best)
    Cycle assist = 4 caps 2x day (start one week prior to cycle week 1)
    DHEA -100mg daily
    Taurine - 1-2g 3x a day
    Omega 3, 6, 9 as directed
    Multi-vitamin
    Glucosamine for dealing with joint pain - this is just something I am adding in. Not sure it'll help and I haven't heard anyone who has added this.

    PCT 6 weeks (is this too long)
    Nolvadex 20/20/20/20/20/20 - I've read about tapering down. I'm getting 20mg pills so should I cut them in half or dose EOD or can I stick to ED 20mg?
    Cycle support continues
    Lean Xtreme - 1 cap 3x day
    DAA - as directed
    Glucosamine
    Omega 3, 6, 9
    Multi-vit
    Creatine
    Beta-Alanine
    No-Xplode
    L-Carnitine
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    Quote Originally Posted by hvactech View Post
    wheres the cycle layout?
    sorry - had to leave half way through posting
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    no need for 6 weeks of nolva, dose taurine pwo 5-6g's
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    workout program is (in a nutshell) something like this
    6 days on - 1 day off
    day 1 - squat, stiff leg deadlifts
    day 2 - flat bench, chest dips, lateral raises
    day 3 - pulldowns, rear delt work, pullovers
    day 4 - squat, leg press with focus on quads
    day 5 - incline bench lockouts, flat close grip bench, front delt work
    day 6 - back rows, shrugs, bb curls
    day 7 - optional off day or repeat

    I'm focusing on main movements: squat, bench, pulldowns/pull-ups, rows at the top of each workout. doing roughly 12 working sets. supplemental exercises will get about 4-5 sets each of one exercise. I'll provide some numbers for gauging my progress as I go on and those posts will also better explain my workout protocol.

    on cycle I will be doing higher reps (8-12 main movements, 10-15 supplemental movements)
    PCT and off cycle I will be doing lower reps (1-7 main movements, 6-9 supplemental movements)

    explosive movements with controlled negs. Not really going to failure but once form is compromised I rack the weight. about 2 min rest between sets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hvactech View Post
    no need for 6 weeks of nolva, dose taurine pwo 5-6g's
    so only one dose of Taurine ED? and is pwo pre or post workout?

    you sugg 4 weeks nolva and if so can/should I still do a 6 week PCT with other supps I listed?
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    Workout log: 2-6-13

    squats:
    warm-up: 135/5, 5, 5
    working sets:
    225/5, 5, 5
    245/4, 4, 4
    265/3, 3, 3
    225/5, 5, 5

    stiff lifts:
    95/6, 6, 6
    135/7, 7, 7
    185/8, 8, 8

    I am starting at easy to control weight and also just coming off an Achilles injury - these are not "pushing it" numbers.

    2-7-13
    flat bb bench
    warm-up 95/9, 9 135/7, 7
    working:
    205/7, 7
    215/6, 6
    225/5, 5
    235/4
    wide grip flat bench lockouts - with 2-3 second pause at extension - 4 inches off chest
    225/10, 235/8, 245/6, 255/5, 265/3
    chest dips
    10, 10, 10, 10
    lateral raises
    20/12, 25/10, 20/8, 15/8

    these numbers were close to a good representation of my current strength. I do not go to failure per se just good clean reps and I rack after form is compromised. I've never lifted in the "under 5" rep range so this is new territory involving a new level of technique and confidence.

    currently I am taking:
    creatine 5g pre workout (i prefer it pre-wo despite conflicting opinions)
    beta-alanine 1200mg pre wo
    l-carnitine
    BCAA
    No-Xplode

    nothing else but this week I added multi-vit, cycle assist, Omega 3, 6, 9. Also will be taking Animal Pack multi packs (1 pack a day)
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    2-2-13 back
    wide bent over bb row
    135/5, 5
    185/8, 8, 8
    rev grip yates row
    135/5, 5
    185/8 205/6 225/4 235/4 245/4 255/4 245/4 235/4 225/6, 6, 6 185/10
    seated row - close grip
    175/6, 190/6, 205/6, 220/6 235/4 250/5 250/4 235/4 220/6 206/6 190/8 175/10
    db pullovers
    55/12, 12, 12

    2-4-13
    wide pulldowns
    85/12, 12
    160/8 175/7 190/6 205/5 220/4 235/3 220/6 205/8 190/10 175/10
    neutral grip pulldowns
    175/4 190/4 205/4 220/4 205/9 190/9 175/9 160/10
    cable pullovers on incline bench
    70/8, 80/8, 100/8 120/8 100/10, 9
    roman deadlifts
    225/4, 135/8
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    2-1-13
    incline bench lockouts - 4 inches off chest
    135/5, 5
    185/8 195/7 205/6 215/5 225/4 235/3 245/3, 3, 3, 3 225/5 205/6
    flat close bench lockouts - 4 inches off chest
    135/8 145/8 155/8 175/8 195/5 185/5 175/6 155/6
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    2-3-13
    flat bb bench
    95/12 135/5, 5
    205/6 215/5 225/4 235/3
    flat bench lockout - 4 inches off chest
    225/6 245/4 265/3 285/3 305/2 285/3 265/3 245/6 225/8 135/11
    chest dips
    10, 10
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    my training will change slightly while on cycle. I will work in higher rep ranges since I will already be anabolic. To get a better assessment of my strength gains I will pick up this routine in pct.

    weeks 1-5 on cycle will display gains made while on havoc for those interested in seeing the gains I experience on it

    weeks 6-10/11 will be PCT and I will go back to low reps with (hopefully) high/er weights. I read this is a great way to illicit a natural test response due to the heavy lifting in addition to helping stay mentally motivated and psychologically strong since you see weight go up; which is a bigger motivator than seeing reps go up.

    I expect a significant drop in strength so I may wind up using same weights as last week of cycle and seeing what I get...play it by ear and I'll take suggestions.

    as I transition from havoc to nolvadex is it recommended (as far as keeping strength gains) to bridge the last week or run first day after cycle ends?
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    Diet is pretty good. Aside from a sandwich here and there or food I eat at weddings (I am a DJ).

    proteins:
    egg whites
    whole eggs
    chicken breast - grilled/baked
    tilapia
    salmon
    tuna
    low fat/skim milk
    sometimes - fat free cottage cheese and greek yogurt

    fruits/veggies:
    broccoli
    peas
    lima beans
    home made pasta sauce with lean meats and veggies
    strawberries
    blueberries
    mango
    cucumber
    bell pepper
    spinach
    carrots
    mushrooms

    starch
    lo-carb tortilla wraps
    whole grain pasta
    refried beans
    black beans
    oatmeal

    Almonds
    cashews
    Brazil nuts
    pecans
    Extra Virgin Olive oil

    Protein shakes - Dymatize Whey and Casein
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    I've started a training log thread so to follow detailed progress of cycle please find my other post
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    Morning weigh in: 238 (hover around 234-238)

    here are my supps I have on hand:
    havoc (148/10mg caps)
    cycle assist
    reduce XT 90 caps
    DHEA
    MyoTest 90 caps
    ErgoBolic 120 caps
    DAA 120 caps
    Erase Pro 30 caps
    Nolvadex (40/20mg)
    glucosamine
    Form-X (formadrol) (2 bottle)
    Animal Pack
    Omega 3 6 9
    multi vit
    Taurine
    horny goat weed
    b12
    zma
    d-ribose

    Just listing what I stock up on (this is most of my stock but I have other vitamins and minerals and herbs - but these are the basics)

    been on cycle assist 4 2x a day for 2 weeks

    havoc starts - wk 1 20/ wk 2 30/ wk 3 40/ wk 4 40/ wk 5 40/ wk 6 40
    cycle assist remains same dose
    DHEA weeks 1 and 2 and 5 and 6 (as long as headaches don't get too bad)
    DAA - start week 2 as directed until 1 bottle supply runs out
    daily dose of multi, omega, glucosamine

    PCT
    nolva - wk 7/ 20, wk 8/ 20, wk 9/ 20, wk 10/ 10, wk 11/ 10
    myotest start week 8, take as directed until I run out of 1 bottle supply
    cycle assist remains daily
    other dailys: glucosamine, multi, omegas,
    resume NO-xplode, Creatine, Beta-Alanine

    any adjustments?
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    cycle is complete and went really well (6 week cycle of Havoc). PCT starts today and looks something like this

    weeks 1 and 2: nolvadex 40mg, erase pro 1 cap, MyoTest 3 caps, DAA 3g, Cycle assist

    weeks 3and 4: nolvadex 20mg, erase pro 1 cap, myoTest 3 caps, DAA 3g, PCT assist

    weeks 5, 6, 7 and 8: form-x 6 caps, reduce xt 3 caps, Ergobolic 4 caps, DAA, PCT assist

    Have some small signs of gyno in left nipple so I am hoping Nolva helps. I know for Havoc this is prob an overkill PCT.

    in addition I will be taking the following:
    creatine
    no-xplode
    beta-alanine
    L-carnitine
    Omega 3 6 9
    horny goat weed
    and starting week 9 I will be using Animal Pak
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonpaulevans View Post
    cycle is complete and went really well (6 week cycle of Havoc). PCT starts today and looks something like this

    weeks 1 and 2: nolvadex 40mg, erase pro 1 cap, MyoTest 3 caps, DAA 3g, Cycle assist

    weeks 3and 4: nolvadex 20mg, erase pro 1 cap, myoTest 3 caps, DAA 3g, PCT assist

    weeks 5, 6, 7 and 8: form-x 6 caps, reduce xt 3 caps, Ergobolic 4 caps, DAA, PCT assist

    Have some small signs of gyno in left nipple so I am hoping Nolva helps. I know for Havoc this is prob an overkill PCT.

    in addition I will be taking the following:
    creatine
    no-xplode
    beta-alanine
    beta-carnitine
    Omega 3 6 9
    horny goat weed
    and starting week 9 I will be using Animal Pak
    PCT looks pretty good actually, wouldn't say overkill, but if nolva isn't taking care of your gyno problems then you need to hit up a stronger AI; how long have you noticed it? If you're getting bloated from the DAA after 3-4 weeks, drop it. I don't know if you're gyno prone or not, but still sucks man, hopefully you'll get that knocked out quick and that's why I don't like it when people claim these don't aromatase into estrogen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SinX View Post
    PCT looks pretty good actually, wouldn't say overkill, but if nolva isn't taking care of your gyno problems then you need to hit up a stronger AI; how long have you noticed it? If you're getting bloated from the DAA after 3-4 weeks, drop it. I don't know if you're gyno prone or not, but still sucks man, hopefully you'll get that knocked out quick and that's why I don't like it when people claim these don't aromatase into estrogen.
    Ironically I got it from pulsing. I pulsed Havoc 3 times prior to this cycle (which was ED cycle). Noticed it on Christmas last year (2011) but saaw puffy nips while on pulse. Also noticed significant testicular atrophy while pulsing. I wouldn't say pulsing is the true fault rather the misconception that higher doses are safe on pulsing. I was dosing 60 EOD - or mon, tue, thur, fri. I've always dosed DHEA with it. I did do M1D instead of DHEA on second pulse - not sure if that threw a wrench in the plan? This cycle of ED 40 doses was run with cycle support. I dosed all havoc by 1pm -preworkout and took supports after 7pm and again at 11pm (approx). Worked out 6 days a week - on off day I dosed 1/2 dose havoc and no support. Absolutely no testicular atrophy (that I can notice) and only a slight drop off in sex drive.

    Also - I was introduced to and recommended Arimidex for the PCT from the cycle that left me with some minor puffy nips. Not sure it had anything to do with it - nor can I say if it helped keep it minimum. I'm def a few pounds over weight so I always brushed it off and figured once I get back to 15% or below it (gyno) should subside. (My luck it'll become more pronounce).

    So on my 3rd pulse cycle - I totally bought into the hype. Ran it hard and high (60 EOD or 4 days a week) and didn't do a PCT. That's what they claim pulse is good for, right? Wrong!!!! After that the gyno was even more noticeable (to me). So here I am a year later, finishing my 4th Havoc cycle but first time doing ED doses and I wish I never Pulsed. I was such a pusher of the pulse method too. I'm sure It's great but so many articles are misleading. Yeah I got results on it - but fyk me if I didn't see them piss away days after BC OF NOT PCT!

    Thanks for the heads up on the DAA bloating - where in general will I notice it? Feet/hands, Face, Gut or nipple area??? I was thinking of stopping DAA in week 6 to kinda ween off test production.
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    should also mention my Pulse cycles went 8 weeks...which, again, was said to be ok.
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    I'm actually about to hit the road, but I'll try and get on the mobile later, if not I'll answer your questions when I get back later tonight.

    For that DAA bloat, you'll most likely see it in your midsection/abs, face, could even be chest; past couple of cycles that's where my glycogen is most retained in my chest and I ballooned up.
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