New Havoc Cycle info and PCT

[jonpaulevans]

Me:
33 years old. 18 years of lifting - of course I had periods in my life where I wasn't in the gym for a while. I quit drinking. My diet is better than good but not amazing. I've pulsed 3 times before over 5 years with nice results. This time I am doing a straight cycle. I am 5'11, 235 lbs, 23%bf. Overall I am in good health but I need to lower my Cholesterol and lose weight. Goal is to be 15% by september 2013

bloodwork was just done. Please ask for any numbers/stats I left out.

cholesterol - 329 total (240 and over is considered high), 63 tri, 37 HDL, 279 LDL (190 and over is considered very high)
free T4 = 1.15 (thyroid I believe)
sodium - 139
pot - 4.7
chloride - 102
CO2 - 27
glucose - 89
creatine - 1.2 (within normal range despite creatine supplementation)
gfr - under 60
gfraa - under 60
calcium - 9.8
protein - 7.8 (.1 over normal)

basically all numbers are good and normals

Free Test - 14 (9-30)
total test - 431 (240-950)
doctor said these numbers look good but I am not happy at all with it and I would like to know if I could go on medication for raising my test.

insulin - 9.6 (2.6-24.9)

clear and clean urine analysis as well (if that even matters)

 

[hvactech]

wheres the cycle layout?

 

[jonpaulevans]

Cycle info: 6 weeks

Havoc - 20/30/40/40/40/40 (I have 148 caps and this works best)
Cycle assist = 4 caps 2x day (start one week prior to cycle week 1)
DHEA -100mg daily
Taurine - 1-2g 3x a day
Omega 3, 6, 9 as directed
Multi-vitamin
Glucosamine for dealing with joint pain - this is just something I am adding in. Not sure it'll help and I haven't heard anyone who has added this.

PCT 6 weeks (is this too long)
Nolvadex 20/20/20/20/20/20 - I've read about tapering down. I'm getting 20mg pills so should I cut them in half or dose EOD or can I stick to ED 20mg?
Cycle support continues
Lean Xtreme - 1 cap 3x day
DAA - as directed
Glucosamine
Omega 3, 6, 9
Multi-vit
Creatine
Beta-Alanine
No-Xplode
L-Carnitine

 

[jonpaulevans]

wheres the cycle layout?

sorry - had to leave half way through posting

 

[hvactech]

no need for 6 weeks of nolva, dose taurine pwo 5-6g's

 

[jonpaulevans]

workout program is (in a nutshell) something like this
6 days on - 1 day off
day 1 - squat, stiff leg deadlifts
day 2 - flat bench, chest dips, lateral raises
day 3 - pulldowns, rear delt work, pullovers
day 4 - squat, leg press with focus on quads
day 5 - incline bench lockouts, flat close grip bench, front delt work
day 6 - back rows, shrugs, bb curls
day 7 - optional off day or repeat

I'm focusing on main movements: squat, bench, pulldowns/pull-ups, rows at the top of each workout. doing roughly 12 working sets. supplemental exercises will get about 4-5 sets each of one exercise. I'll provide some numbers for gauging my progress as I go on and those posts will also better explain my workout protocol.

on cycle I will be doing higher reps (8-12 main movements, 10-15 supplemental movements)
PCT and off cycle I will be doing lower reps (1-7 main movements, 6-9 supplemental movements)

explosive movements with controlled negs. Not really going to failure but once form is compromised I rack the weight. about 2 min rest between sets.

 

[jonpaulevans]

no need for 6 weeks of nolva, dose taurine pwo 5-6g's

so only one dose of Taurine ED? and is pwo pre or post workout?

you sugg 4 weeks nolva and if so can/should I still do a 6 week PCT with other supps I listed?

 

[jonpaulevans]

Workout log: 2-6-13

squats:
warm-up: 135/5, 5, 5
working sets:
225/5, 5, 5
245/4, 4, 4
265/3, 3, 3
225/5, 5, 5

stiff lifts:
95/6, 6, 6
135/7, 7, 7
185/8, 8, 8

I am starting at easy to control weight and also just coming off an Achilles injury - these are not "pushing it" numbers.

2-7-13
flat bb bench
warm-up 95/9, 9 135/7, 7
working:
205/7, 7
215/6, 6
225/5, 5
235/4
wide grip flat bench lockouts - with 2-3 second pause at extension - 4 inches off chest
225/10, 235/8, 245/6, 255/5, 265/3
chest dips
10, 10, 10, 10
lateral raises
20/12, 25/10, 20/8, 15/8

these numbers were close to a good representation of my current strength. I do not go to failure per se just good clean reps and I rack after form is compromised. I've never lifted in the "under 5" rep range so this is new territory involving a new level of technique and confidence.

currently I am taking:
creatine 5g pre workout (i prefer it pre-wo despite conflicting opinions)
beta-alanine 1200mg pre wo
l-carnitine
BCAA
No-Xplode

nothing else but this week I added multi-vit, cycle assist, Omega 3, 6, 9. Also will be taking Animal Pack multi packs (1 pack a day)

 

[jonpaulevans]

2-2-13 back
wide bent over bb row
135/5, 5
185/8, 8, 8
rev grip yates row
135/5, 5
185/8 205/6 225/4 235/4 245/4 255/4 245/4 235/4 225/6, 6, 6 185/10
seated row - close grip
175/6, 190/6, 205/6, 220/6 235/4 250/5 250/4 235/4 220/6 206/6 190/8 175/10
db pullovers
55/12, 12, 12

2-4-13
wide pulldowns
85/12, 12
160/8 175/7 190/6 205/5 220/4 235/3 220/6 205/8 190/10 175/10
neutral grip pulldowns
175/4 190/4 205/4 220/4 205/9 190/9 175/9 160/10
cable pullovers on incline bench
70/8, 80/8, 100/8 120/8 100/10, 9
roman deadlifts
225/4, 135/8

 

[jonpaulevans]

2-1-13
incline bench lockouts - 4 inches off chest
135/5, 5
185/8 195/7 205/6 215/5 225/4 235/3 245/3, 3, 3, 3 225/5 205/6
flat close bench lockouts - 4 inches off chest
135/8 145/8 155/8 175/8 195/5 185/5 175/6 155/6

 

[jonpaulevans]

2-3-13
flat bb bench
95/12 135/5, 5
205/6 215/5 225/4 235/3
flat bench lockout - 4 inches off chest
225/6 245/4 265/3 285/3 305/2 285/3 265/3 245/6 225/8 135/11
chest dips
10, 10

 

[jonpaulevans]

my training will change slightly while on cycle. I will work in higher rep ranges since I will already be anabolic. To get a better assessment of my strength gains I will pick up this routine in pct.

weeks 1-5 on cycle will display gains made while on havoc for those interested in seeing the gains I experience on it

weeks 6-10/11 will be PCT and I will go back to low reps with (hopefully) high/er weights. I read this is a great way to illicit a natural test response due to the heavy lifting in addition to helping stay mentally motivated and psychologically strong since you see weight go up; which is a bigger motivator than seeing reps go up.

I expect a significant drop in strength so I may wind up using same weights as last week of cycle and seeing what I get...play it by ear and I'll take suggestions.

as I transition from havoc to nolvadex is it recommended (as far as keeping strength gains) to bridge the last week or run first day after cycle ends?

 

[jonpaulevans]

Diet is pretty good. Aside from a sandwich here and there or food I eat at weddings (I am a DJ).

proteins:
egg whites
whole eggs
chicken breast - grilled/baked
tilapia
salmon
tuna
low fat/skim milk
sometimes - fat free cottage cheese and greek yogurt

fruits/veggies:
broccoli
peas
lima beans
home made pasta sauce with lean meats and veggies
strawberries
blueberries
mango
cucumber
bell pepper
spinach
carrots
mushrooms

starch
lo-carb tortilla wraps
whole grain pasta
refried beans
black beans
oatmeal

Almonds
cashews
Brazil nuts
pecans
Extra Virgin Olive oil

Protein shakes - Dymatize Whey and Casein

 

[jonpaulevans]

I've started a training log thread so to follow detailed progress of cycle please find my other post

 

[jonpaulevans]

Morning weigh in: 238 (hover around 234-238)

here are my supps I have on hand:
havoc (148/10mg caps)
cycle assist
reduce XT 90 caps
DHEA
MyoTest 90 caps
ErgoBolic 120 caps
DAA 120 caps
Erase Pro 30 caps
Nolvadex (40/20mg)
glucosamine
Form-X (formadrol) (2 bottle)
Animal Pack
Omega 3 6 9
multi vit
Taurine
horny goat weed
b12
zma
d-ribose

Just listing what I stock up on (this is most of my stock but I have other vitamins and minerals and herbs - but these are the basics)

been on cycle assist 4 2x a day for 2 weeks

havoc starts - wk 1 20/ wk 2 30/ wk 3 40/ wk 4 40/ wk 5 40/ wk 6 40
cycle assist remains same dose
DHEA weeks 1 and 2 and 5 and 6 (as long as headaches don't get too bad)
DAA - start week 2 as directed until 1 bottle supply runs out
daily dose of multi, omega, glucosamine

PCT
nolva - wk 7/ 20, wk 8/ 20, wk 9/ 20, wk 10/ 10, wk 11/ 10
myotest start week 8, take as directed until I run out of 1 bottle supply
cycle assist remains daily
other dailys: glucosamine, multi, omegas,
resume NO-xplode, Creatine, Beta-Alanine

any adjustments?

 

[jonpaulevans]

cycle is complete and went really well (6 week cycle of Havoc). PCT starts today and looks something like this

weeks 1 and 2: nolvadex 40mg, erase pro 1 cap, MyoTest 3 caps, DAA 3g, Cycle assist

weeks 3and 4: nolvadex 20mg, erase pro 1 cap, myoTest 3 caps, DAA 3g, PCT assist

weeks 5, 6, 7 and 8: form-x 6 caps, reduce xt 3 caps, Ergobolic 4 caps, DAA, PCT assist

Have some small signs of gyno in left nipple so I am hoping Nolva helps. I know for Havoc this is prob an overkill PCT.

in addition I will be taking the following:
creatine
no-xplode
beta-alanine
L-carnitine
Omega 3 6 9
horny goat weed
and starting week 9 I will be using Animal Pak

 

[SinX]

cycle is complete and went really well (6 week cycle of Havoc). PCT starts today and looks something like this

weeks 1 and 2: nolvadex 40mg, erase pro 1 cap, MyoTest 3 caps, DAA 3g, Cycle assist

weeks 3and 4: nolvadex 20mg, erase pro 1 cap, myoTest 3 caps, DAA 3g, PCT assist

weeks 5, 6, 7 and 8: form-x 6 caps, reduce xt 3 caps, Ergobolic 4 caps, DAA, PCT assist

Have some small signs of gyno in left nipple so I am hoping Nolva helps. I know for Havoc this is prob an overkill PCT.

in addition I will be taking the following:
creatine
no-xplode
beta-alanine
beta-carnitine
Omega 3 6 9
horny goat weed
and starting week 9 I will be using Animal Pak

PCT looks pretty good actually, wouldn't say overkill, but if nolva isn't taking care of your gyno problems then you need to hit up a stronger AI; how long have you noticed it? If you're getting bloated from the DAA after 3-4 weeks, drop it. I don't know if you're gyno prone or not, but still sucks man, hopefully you'll get that knocked out quick and that's why I don't like it when people claim these don't aromatase into estrogen.

 

[jonpaulevans]

PCT looks pretty good actually, wouldn't say overkill, but if nolva isn't taking care of your gyno problems then you need to hit up a stronger AI; how long have you noticed it? If you're getting bloated from the DAA after 3-4 weeks, drop it. I don't know if you're gyno prone or not, but still sucks man, hopefully you'll get that knocked out quick and that's why I don't like it when people claim these don't aromatase into estrogen.

Ironically I got it from pulsing. I pulsed Havoc 3 times prior to this cycle (which was ED cycle). Noticed it on Christmas last year (2011) but saaw puffy nips while on pulse. Also noticed significant testicular atrophy while pulsing. I wouldn't say pulsing is the true fault rather the misconception that higher doses are safe on pulsing. I was dosing 60 EOD - or mon, tue, thur, fri. I've always dosed DHEA with it. I did do M1D instead of DHEA on second pulse - not sure if that threw a wrench in the plan? This cycle of ED 40 doses was run with cycle support. I dosed all havoc by 1pm -preworkout and took supports after 7pm and again at 11pm (approx). Worked out 6 days a week - on off day I dosed 1/2 dose havoc and no support. Absolutely no testicular atrophy (that I can notice) and only a slight drop off in sex drive.

Also - I was introduced to and recommended Arimidex for the PCT from the cycle that left me with some minor puffy nips. Not sure it had anything to do with it - nor can I say if it helped keep it minimum. I'm def a few pounds over weight so I always brushed it off and figured once I get back to 15% or below it (gyno) should subside. (My luck it'll become more pronounce).

So on my 3rd pulse cycle - I totally bought into the hype. Ran it hard and high (60 EOD or 4 days a week) and didn't do a PCT. That's what they claim pulse is good for, right? Wrong!!!! After that the gyno was even more noticeable (to me). So here I am a year later, finishing my 4th Havoc cycle but first time doing ED doses and I wish I never Pulsed. I was such a pusher of the pulse method too. I'm sure It's great but so many articles are misleading. Yeah I got results on it - but fyk me if I didn't see them piss away days after BC OF NOT PCT!

Thanks for the heads up on the DAA bloating - where in general will I notice it? Feet/hands, Face, Gut or nipple area??? I was thinking of stopping DAA in week 6 to kinda ween off test production.

 

[jonpaulevans]

should also mention my Pulse cycles went 8 weeks...which, again, was said to be ok.

 

[SinX]

I'm actually about to hit the road, but I'll try and get on the mobile later, if not I'll answer your questions when I get back later tonight.

For that DAA bloat, you'll most likely see it in your midsection/abs, face, could even be chest; past couple of cycles that's where my glycogen is most retained in my chest and I ballooned up.