Test & Mast Cycle

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by usealittle View Post
    ^^^ excellent point.


    to be totally honest.... the guy looks like he dont even workout. no disrespect to the OP but thats just how i see it.
    Agreed. But we dont know where he came from either. I know PH only cycles are for the most part worthless after the first one or two...

    Anyways, while some gains can be had with 200mg Mast, I'm going to second that thought of having low expectations in size. I'd say less than 10lbs. Then again, this guy could be so far from a plataeu that he might see 15-20lbs from just the test. Who knows.

    For me, test and mast is what I'd cruise with, not cycle with. But I'm alittle more mature in my development than he is too..


  2. Totally agree with fueledpassion I've ran this cycle at twice the dosage...didnt need an ai. But that could just be me everybody's different. And I'd use clomid not nolva always had great results from it...but also not hatin on nolva I've never used it just my sole opinion on the matter.
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  3. My opinion about AI's are to only use them when u need them. No need adding more compounds to the mix unless it is absolutely necessary. For me, water weight can be managed by what I eat and the frequency of cardio that I perform as well as how much I sweat in the gym.

    Controlling water weight alone is not a good enough reason to run an AI IMO. However, preventing/reversing gyno is a reason.

    Something else to consider is that by suppressing estrogen you also run the likelihood of suppresing libido and muscle growth.

  4. I started my cycle today now I do have a few questions...I did my first injection today and it started with a bit of discomfort now my thigh hurts like a bitch. It feels like the day after doing a hard leg work out after not being at the gym for a long time. There's no redness just slight swelling.

    1) what can I do to reduce the pain right now and make it go away?
    2) what can I do so this doesn't happen again after my next injection on Friday?
    3) What's a good way to inject into the ass cheek?

  5. Quote Originally Posted by ksukhin View Post
    I started my cycle today now I do have a few questions...I did my first injection today and it started with a bit of discomfort now my thigh hurts like a bitch. It feels like the day after doing a hard leg work out after not being at the gym for a long time. There's no redness just slight swelling.

    1) what can I do to reduce the pain right now and make it go away?
    2) what can I do so this doesn't happen again after my next injection on Friday?
    3) What's a good way to inject into the ass cheek?
    1-suck it up, its just typical PIP so deal with it, if its that bad put a heating pad on it - p*ssy
    2- you cant prevent PIP, if theres an infection you need to get a doc to look at it so that it doesnt turn necrotic or you dont develop sepsis, if you wanna stop/prevent the infection, buy better gear or do the injection properly in a sterile enviroment with sterile gear.
    3- upper outer quadrant of your gluteus maximus or the upper head of the gluteus medius. both @ 90 degree angle. again you should have done your research before coming here.
    Quote Originally Posted by iparatroop View Post
    I'm usually crying when people take naked pictures of me. Fcuking childhood.
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  6. [QUOTE=fueledpassion;3793164]
    http://articles.muscletalk.co.uk/article-masteron.aspx

    thanks for this article by the way. It was definately informative. I got ahold of an old pharmacology book from the 80s from a pharmacist friend of mine and its got some great info in it! ill post some of kinetics up here if you want as soon i get my head wrapped around it a little better!
    Quote Originally Posted by iparatroop View Post
    I'm usually crying when people take naked pictures of me. Fcuking childhood.

  7. [QUOTE=MANotaur;3801967]
    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    http://articles.muscletalk.co.uk/article-masteron.aspx

    thanks for this article by the way. It was definately informative. I got ahold of an old pharmacology book from the 80s from a pharmacist friend of mine and its got some great info in it! ill post some of kinetics up here if you want as soon i get my head wrapped around it a little better!
    I like all the write ups there on AS. I am on my way to a mast/test/winny cycle and I am looking forward to that info manotaur, the more the better!
    Day by Day, we get better and better! Tillí we canít be beat Ė Wonít Be Beat!

  8. [QUOTE=mustang0341;3801980]
    Quote Originally Posted by MANotaur View Post

    I like all the write ups there on AS. I am on my way to a mast/test/winny cycle and I am looking forward to that info manotaur, the more the better!
    sure thing haas! ive only read a little bit about it, mainly the structure and indications (irrelevant to us as we dont have breast cancer) and contraindications, just a brief overview. I love this book! even though its old, theres still tons of good information about drugs (especially hormones and hormone modifiers) that you just cant find anywhere. and i will always trust an old source like this over anything i read on the net
    Quote Originally Posted by iparatroop View Post
    I'm usually crying when people take naked pictures of me. Fcuking childhood.

  9. It is of Synthetic origin and belongs to Steroid. It belongs to Aldosterone agonist pharmacological group on the basis of mechanism of action and also classified in Hormones and Anabolic Steroid pharmacological group.The Molecular Weight of Drostanolone (Propionate) is 360.50.
    Its pKa is not relevant. Drostanolone (Propionate) is contraindicated in conditions like Hepatic disease, Carcinoma of male breast, Cardiac disease, Prostate cancer. The severe or irreversible adverse effects of Drostanolone (Propionate), which give rise to further complications include Hoarseness, Deepening of voice.

    The symptomatic adverse reactions produced by Drostanolone (Propionate) are more or less tolerable and if they become severe, they can be treated symptomatically, these include Acne, Virilization, Coarser skin, Facial hair, Clitoromegaly. Patients should be instructed to report any of the following: nausea, vomiting, changes in skin color, and ankle swelling. Males should be instructed to report too frequent or persistent erections of the penis and females any hoarseness, acne, changes in menstrual periods or increase in facial hair.
    Quote Originally Posted by iparatroop View Post
    I'm usually crying when people take naked pictures of me. Fcuking childhood.

  10. In 91 patients with advanced breast cancer testololactone, drostanolone, and nandrolone were compared in a controlled clinical trial. Remissions were registered after 4 weeks and after another 12 week period; during this second interval the patients received an additional treatment with cyclophosphamide. There was no difference in the effectivity between the three drugs. Remission rate was in average after 4 weeks 24% and after 16 weeks 46%.
    Quote Originally Posted by iparatroop View Post
    I'm usually crying when people take naked pictures of me. Fcuking childhood.

  11. Basically what i found out about Drostanolone is that its kind of a wild card androgen. Because it is a DHT derivative, its unique structure allows it to interact on all the major enzymes and receptor sites that are important, especially to us body builders. It can still bind to the AI temporarly, preventing conversion to Test to estrogen. It also acts as a SERM because it actually has a very strong affinity to the estrogen receptor which is extremely unique for an androgen. it also binds to the androgen recepor very strongly which is what gives you your strength and size increases. It lowers SHBG which causes a senergistic affect with test and other androgens you might have floating around because it will increase their free circulating time. It also cause fat cells to release release fatty acids and cholesterol into the system to be used as energy. this is also the reason for the positive effect it has on lipid values and profiles. this release in cholesterol could be responsible for a VERY VERY SMALL increase in natural test while on cycle, but it is still suppressive as all AAS are.

    The more i read into it this is quickly becoming one of my favore AAS. i just wish it wasnt so effing expensive lol
    Quote Originally Posted by iparatroop View Post
    I'm usually crying when people take naked pictures of me. Fcuking childhood.

  12. K so my second injection is due tomorrow and I'm wondering if I should do my other thigh or inject in the same one. It's been 3 days since my last injection and my thigh is still sore and I don't want to be walking around with both legs ****ed. I was thinking injecting into my asscheek instead of my thigh. Good idea or no? Also what can I do to make my leg feel better

  13. Quote Originally Posted by ksukhin View Post
    K so my second injection is due tomorrow and I'm wondering if I should do my other thigh or inject in the same one. It's been 3 days since my last injection and my thigh is still sore and I don't want to be walking around with both legs ****ed. I was thinking injecting into my asscheek instead of my thigh. Good idea or no? Also what can I do to make my leg feel better
    definately rotate the sight, i would go with the glute injection on the same side as your thigh you injected last time. and dude theres really not alot you can do other than some advil or aleve and deal with it...make sure your gear is warmed up a bit right before injecting kind of helps but some people just get PIP bad...you might be one of those people
    Quote Originally Posted by iparatroop View Post
    I'm usually crying when people take naked pictures of me. Fcuking childhood.

  14. Yeah I've been using hot compresses to ease the pain. I'll inject tomorrow into my glute and see how that goes, as of now I can't do legs which sucks cause I miss my squats and leg presses haha.

    I'm injecting 2ml at the same time. Should I inject 1ml of each fluid into both glutes? Would that make a difference?

  15. It doesnt make a differnce to me...i figure if you can pin once and get it over with then do it. Ive known people to put 5mls into the glues and thighs and they make it ok w/ lil PIP. Its worth a try to break it up into two injections to give it a shot.
    Quote Originally Posted by iparatroop View Post
    I'm usually crying when people take naked pictures of me. Fcuking childhood.

  16. As mentioned before, upper outer quadrant is nearly painless. Use a 25g needle for minimal soreness and swelling

  17. yup i did just that and its slowly getting better...tomorrow ill inject into my glute and see how it feels lol
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