Epi cycle help

  1. Question Epi cycle help


    Hi everyone!
    I am planning to start a 4 weeks epistane cycle (IBE Epistane 90 Capsules).
    I have no experience with epi because I have used hdrol only.
    My target are strength gains.

    What would you add or change?

    Any suggestion is welcome.
    Thank you.

    This is what I've planned.

    Week 1 - Cycle Assist (Competitive Edge Labs Cycle Assist 240 Capsules)
    Week 2 - Cycle Assist (Competitive Edge Labs Cycle Assist 240 Capsules)
    Week 3 - Cycle Assist (Competitive Edge Labs Cycle Assist 240 Capsules) - Epistane 20 mg
    Week 4 - Cycle Assist (Competitive Edge Labs Cycle Assist 240 Capsules) - Epistane 30 mg
    Week 5 - Cycle Assist (Competitive Edge Labs Cycle Assist 240 Capsules) - Epistane 30 mg
    Week 6 - Cycle Assist (Competitive Edge Labs Cycle Assist 240 Capsules) - Epistane 30/40 mg
    Week 7 - Reversitol (IForce Nutrition Reversitol V2 84 Caps) - Competitive Edge Labs PCT Assist 120 Capsules
    Week 8 - Reversitol (IForce Nutrition Reversitol V2 84 Caps) - Competitive Edge Labs PCT Assist 120 Capsules
    Week 9 -? (=week 7 & 8) + Creatine
    Week 10 -? (=week 7 & 8) + Creatine

    Every day: BCAA, fish oil (omega 3?), ecc. ecc.

    (If you ask yourselves why I won't use a SERM on PCT:
    On my first two hdrol cycle I didn't use them (I had a ridiculous/no PCT) and I recovered perfectly with no sides.
    Unfortunately I had only a few mass and strength gains which I managed to keep.)

    PM me if you know any good website to order all this. (I need it to be shipping from europe to europe)


  2. Did you get before and after bloods? Also I beliece epi requires higher doseages.

  3. That's a conservative epi dose. But a good one. I would definitely add any joint support you can possibly find. My wrists were dry as hell on epi.
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by loll View Post
    Hi everyone!
    I am planning to start a 4 weeks epistane cycle (IBE Epistane 90 Capsules).
    I have no experience with epi because I have used hdrol only.
    My target are strength gains.

    What would you add or change?

    Any suggestion is welcome.
    Thank you.

    This is what I've planned.

    Week 1 - Cycle Assist (Competitive Edge Labs Cycle Assist 240 Capsules)
    Week 2 - Cycle Assist (Competitive Edge Labs Cycle Assist 240 Capsules)
    Week 3 - Cycle Assist (Competitive Edge Labs Cycle Assist 240 Capsules) - Epistane 20 mg
    Week 4 - Cycle Assist (Competitive Edge Labs Cycle Assist 240 Capsules) - Epistane 30 mg
    Week 5 - Cycle Assist (Competitive Edge Labs Cycle Assist 240 Capsules) - Epistane 30 mg
    Week 6 - Cycle Assist (Competitive Edge Labs Cycle Assist 240 Capsules) - Epistane 30/40 mg
    Week 7 - Reversitol (IForce Nutrition Reversitol V2 84 Caps) - Competitive Edge Labs PCT Assist 120 Capsules
    Week 8 - Reversitol (IForce Nutrition Reversitol V2 84 Caps) - Competitive Edge Labs PCT Assist 120 Capsules
    Week 9 -? (=week 7 & 8) + Creatine
    Week 10 -? (=week 7 & 8) + Creatine

    Every day: BCAA, fish oil (omega 3?), ecc. ecc.

    (If you ask yourselves why I won't use a SERM on PCT:
    On my first two hdrol cycle I didn't use them (I had a ridiculous/no PCT) and I recovered perfectly with no sides.
    Unfortunately I had only a few mass and strength gains which I managed to keep.)

    PM me if you know any good website to order all this. (I need it to be shipping from europe to europe)
    Do you think its a coincidence that you managed to keep only a little of your gains after "pct"? Either its because you had a bad pct or because your diet and/or training suck. In either case you can expect the same out of this cycle, especially at only 4 weeks.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by uvawahoowa View Post
    Do you think its a coincidence that you managed to keep only a little of your gains after "pct"? Either its because you had a bad pct or because your diet and/or training suck. In either case you can expect the same out of this cycle, especially at only 4 weeks.
    I wrote about last PCTs just because I didn't have any of the side effects that are supposed to occurr with no PCT/no SERM.

  6. Quote Originally Posted by loll View Post

    I wrote about last PCTs just because I didn't have any of the side effects that are supposed to occurr with no PCT/no SERM.
    You don't think losing your gains is a side effect?

  7. Quote Originally Posted by uvawahoowa View Post
    You don't think losing your gains is a side effect?
    Of course yes but I was talking about all the other side effects that are said to happen (es. gyno).
    And I wrote it just because I was wondering to know I could recover from epi without serm. Or maybe epi is more dangerous?

  8. Quote Originally Posted by loll View Post

    Of course yes but I was talking about all the other side effects that are said to happen (es. gyno).
    And I wrote it just because I was wondering to know I could recover from epi without serm. Or maybe epi is more dangerous?
    Ok, so you won't use a serm in pct even though you realize that it will help you keep gains that you made on cycle? Then what's the point of even running a ph? Just for fun?

  9. Noob question what is a serm?

  10. OP Im only commenting because that is the exact same setup I went with. I did 4 weeks epi @ 20/30/30/30(or40). If I could go back and do it again I would kick the 20 up to 30 and go 30/30/30/30(or 40) (for a first cycle, as that was my first). Knowing how I respond now, I would say 30/40/40/40. My diet was on point for a recomp. I gained 4-5 pounds and bf% stayed same throughout.

    @BeRoyal - read this --> tunedsports.com/post-cycle-therapy/post-cycle-therapy-pct-serminology/
    Never shall innocent blood be shed, but the blood of the wicked shall flow like a river.

  11. Take a SERM is my advice. But atleast have a serm on hand or AI just incase of gyno on cycle.

  12. wow,to say you u did not use a serm for hdrol is one thing,i wouldnt do it myself.but to not run one with epi,is not a good decision.
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  13. is testicular atrophy possible on epi?
  

  
 

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