Ostarine & MK-677 RECOMP Log (SARMS)

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by PalmFist

    Lol. Bang up job Devil! 4 yrs active, now 2+ in the Reserves. It ain't the same but its still fun, even got an Eastern Europe deployment out of the Reserves a year ago. Sounds like the Corps is getting rid of my Battalion in the next few months though and turning my unit into an MP or truck company so I'll be a pog soon myself!

    Anyway, so you're holding off the peps till PCT now?
    'Preciate it Sgt. Field MPs do a hellofa job too man. I'm on track to be an 0203. Infantry Intel Platoon Commander. So I'll be working with Sniper Platoons/Recon. I'm amped. Mortars were never really my style.

    Right now, I'm still riding the SARMS.
    Update:

    Biceps and Back last night. Threw in some Forearms just to get the NASTIEST arm pump possible.
    The "Mind/Muscle" connection on this stuff is amazing. I've learned that the best times to go to the gym are 1-2 hours after dosing Ostarine, or when I take MK677 with my Preworkout.
    Osta gives an INSANE mind/muscle connection. I was doing seated rows and I swear I could feel every contraction of my Rhomboids from squeezing my last at the peak of the movement.
    Pump was insane. Strength is up.
    My weight right now hasn't changed, but know what has?
    My BF has went from 15% to 13%. No weight change. Still 240. That's eating less and taking fat burners. I like this for ANYONE wanting a recomp.

    Around next Friday, my SARMS ride turns into a bridge into my first ride with Test Prop..
    The SARMS are coming back into PCT FOR SURE.

    I'm looking at:
    1-10 Test Prop 150Mg EOD
    1-3 SuperDrol 10/10/20
    6-10 Epistane 40/40/40/40
    5-10 500iu HCG 2x/Week
    2-12 Exemestane .6 E2D

    10-14 Torem 120/90/60/60
    10-14 DAA 3.12G
    10-14 ZMA/Trib/LongJack
    10-14 OSTARINE 15MG
    10-14 Mk677 25MG

    Any thoughts^


  2. Trib and long jack are worthless IMO. The osta might suppress a little in pct ad raise E levels so an AI is worth thinking about in pct. Congrats on being MECEPed. That's going to be an awesome career, and don't leave unless you really want to because its hard as hell to get back in. I've been working for months on trying to get an SOI instructor billet
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by PalmFist
    Trib and long jack are worthless IMO. The osta might suppress a little in pct ad raise E levels so an AI is worth thinking about in pct. Congrats on being MECEPed. That's going to be an awesome career, and don't leave unless you really want to because its hard as hell to get back in. I've been working for months on trying to get an SOI instructor billet
    SOI instructor sounds like it just may be the worst BBillet ever. Lol. Well, recognition wise. Just because its Drill Instructor hours, with less fame and recognition. But any SOI hat that I've seen HATED DIs. Either way, it has to be the MOST REWARDING BBillet. Just don't punch a boot. Haha.
    Well I think running Osta at 10 won't suppress. I don't see any suppression at 25 until 3 weeks in. So not too worried about it. I may pull it until week 3 of PcT. May just run MK.

    The Trib is for libido man. And the LJ DOES help with bringing boys back. If you get 200:1 standardization it causes tissue swelling. May be only while you take it, but I experienced it first hand. Any less than 200:1 is bunk. I see 40:1 everywhere. Same with Trib 40% saponins. Finding 90% saponins is so hard. But it's a world of difference.

  4. As a grunt, I think SOI instructor is awesome. Better than when I did marksmanship or mcmap instructor. Check out bulbine for getting the boys back in shape. I really just don't believe any research on trib or long jack. My .02 cents
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by PalmFist View Post
    As a grunt, I think SOI instructor is awesome. Better than when I did marksmanship or mcmap instructor. Check out bulbine for getting the boys back in shape. I really just don't believe any research on trib or long jack. My .02 cents
    But you believe research on a relatively new herb (to the supplement industry at least)? Bulbine is weight correspondent.. so its hard to get write.

    Shock stick with your serm+ai+tbooster.

    Torem
    Aromasin
    And whatever tbooster you respond to well
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by tyga tyga View Post

    But you believe research on a relatively new herb (to the supplement industry at least)? Bulbine is weight correspondent.. so its hard to get write.

    Shock stick with your serm+ai+tbooster.

    Torem
    Aromasin
    And whatever tbooster you respond to well
    No. First off I said IMO, not fact. I also believe in what works and doesn't work based on personal experience and what my brothers in iron recommend. When we look at studies on humans not rats, bulbine is the only one of these three ingredients that raise test levels significantly. Tribulus had zero effect on humans. Long jack raised strength 7% and the placebo group was raised 3%, certainly not significant. As for bulbine, test levels in humans were raised roughly 300%, highly significant.

    There is a huge difference between increased libido due to herbal supplementation and actual increases in testosterone. One is not necessarily causative of the other, mere correlation.
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by PalmFist View Post

    No. First off I said IMO, not fact. I also believe in what works and doesn't work based on personal experience and what my brothers in iron recommend. When we look at studies on humans not rats, bulbine is the only one of these three ingredients that raise test levels significantly. Tribulus had zero effect on humans. Long jack raised strength 7% and the placebo group was raised 3%, certainly not significant. As for bulbine, test levels in humans were raised roughly 300%, highly significant.
    Did you just compare the strength gained from long jack to the test increase of bulbine?

    Some of the animal studies have indicated that increases in serum testosterone levels with Eurycoma supplementation can range from 300% to nearly 500%! Plus, the extract, added in vitro to human testicular tissue, causes an increase of over 400% in testosterone production. Apparently Eurycoma increases the activity of steroidogenic (testosterone-producing) enzymes, as well as increasing cyclic AMP, which also has a favorable effect on steroid synthesis (among other benefits, including fat loss).

    Bibliography Ang HH, Cheang HS, Yusof AP. Effects of Eurycoma longifolia Jack (Tongkat Ali) on the initiation of sexual performance of inexperienced castrated male rats. Exp Anim. 2000 Jan;49(1):35-8.Ang HH, Cheang HS. Effects of Eurycoma longifolia jack on laevator ani muscle in both uncastrated and testosterone-stimulated castrated intact male rats. Arch Pharm Res. 2001 Oct;24(5):437-40.

    Ang HH, Cheang HS. Studies on the anxiolytic activity of Eurycoma longifolia Jack roots in mice. Jpn J Pharmacol. 1999 Apr;79(4):497-500.

    Ang HH, Lee KL. Kiyoshi M. Eurycoma longifolia Jack enhances sexual motivation in middle-aged male mice. J Basic Clin Physiol Pharmacol. 2003;14(3):301-8.

    Ang HH, Lee KL. Effect of Eurycoma longifolia Jack on libido in middle-aged male rats. J Basic Clin Physiol Pharmacol. 2002;13(3):249-54

    Ang HH, Lee KL. Effect of Eurycoma longifolia Jack on orientation activities in middle-aged male rats. Fundam Clin Pharmacol. 2002 Dec;16(6):479-83.

    Bedir E, et al. Eurycomaoside: a new quassinoid-type glycoside from the roots of Eurycoma longifolia. Chem Pharm Bull (Tokyo). 2003 Nov;51(11):1301-3.

    Hamzah, SH, Yusof, A. The Anabolic Effects of LJ100. Department of Exercise Physiology, Sports Centre, University of Malaya, Kuala Lumpur. Kuo PC, et al. Cytotoxic and antimalarial beta-carboline alkaloids from the roots of Eurycoma longifolia. J Nat Prod. 2003 Oct;66(10):1324-7.

    Kuo PC, Damu AG, Lee KH, Wu TS. Cytotoxic and antimalarial constituents from the roots of Eurycoma longifolia. Bioorg Med Chem. 2004 Feb 1;12(3):537-44.

    Jiwajinda S, et al. In vitro anti-tumor promoting and anti-parasitic activities of the quassinoids from Eurycoma longifolia, a medicinal plant in Southeast Asia. J Ethnopharmacol. 2002 Sep;82(1):55-8.

    Satayavivad J, et al. Toxicological and antimalarial activity of eurycomalactone and Eurycoma longifolia Jack extracts in mice. Thai J Phytopharmacy. 1998 Dec; 5(2):14-27.

    M.I.M Tambi, S. Othman, and J.M. Saad "Water-soluble extract of LJ100(TM) as a potential natural energizer for healthy aging men" Specialist Reproductive Research Center, National Population & Family Development Board,Ministry of Women and Family Development, Malaysia. Department of Biochemistry, Faculty of Medicine, University of Malaya, Malaysia.

    Courtesy of Source-1-Global product literature for LJ-100(TM)

    My fault shock dont mean to clog your thread up.

    Palm, bulbine has the potential to increase test up to 300% again, if you get the correct mg for YOUR weight. If you go over, E raises and test drops. I could pull literature on trib to if you want. Every shrub/herb is extract dependent.. throwing Longjack and trib into a "non effective and or garbage" category is silly.
    Psalms 62:1-62:2

  8. Quote Originally Posted by tyga tyga View Post

    Did you just compare the strength gained from long jack to the test increase of bulbine?

    Some of the animal studies have indicated that increases in serum testosterone levels with Eurycoma supplementation can range from 300% to nearly 500%! Plus, the extract, added in vitro to human testicular tissue, causes an increase of over 400% in testosterone production. Apparently Eurycoma increases the activity of steroidogenic (testosterone-producing) enzymes, as well as increasing cyclic AMP, which also has a favorable effect on steroid synthesis (among other benefits, including fat loss).

    Bibliography Ang HH, Cheang HS, Yusof AP. Effects of Eurycoma longifolia Jack (Tongkat Ali) on the initiation of sexual performance of inexperienced castrated male rats. Exp Anim. 2000 Jan;49(1):35-8.Ang HH, Cheang HS. Effects of Eurycoma longifolia jack on laevator ani muscle in both uncastrated and testosterone-stimulated castrated intact male rats. Arch Pharm Res. 2001 Oct;24(5):437-40.

    Ang HH, Cheang HS. Studies on the anxiolytic activity of Eurycoma longifolia Jack roots in mice. Jpn J Pharmacol. 1999 Apr;79(4):497-500.

    Ang HH, Lee KL. Kiyoshi M. Eurycoma longifolia Jack enhances sexual motivation in middle-aged male mice. J Basic Clin Physiol Pharmacol. 2003;14(3):301-8.

    Ang HH, Lee KL. Effect of Eurycoma longifolia Jack on libido in middle-aged male rats. J Basic Clin Physiol Pharmacol. 2002;13(3):249-54

    Ang HH, Lee KL. Effect of Eurycoma longifolia Jack on orientation activities in middle-aged male rats. Fundam Clin Pharmacol. 2002 Dec;16(6):479-83.

    Bedir E, et al. Eurycomaoside: a new quassinoid-type glycoside from the roots of Eurycoma longifolia. Chem Pharm Bull (Tokyo). 2003 Nov;51(11):1301-3.

    Hamzah, SH, Yusof, A. The Anabolic Effects of LJ100. Department of Exercise Physiology, Sports Centre, University of Malaya, Kuala Lumpur. Kuo PC, et al. Cytotoxic and antimalarial beta-carboline alkaloids from the roots of Eurycoma longifolia. J Nat Prod. 2003 Oct;66(10):1324-7.

    Kuo PC, Damu AG, Lee KH, Wu TS. Cytotoxic and antimalarial constituents from the roots of Eurycoma longifolia. Bioorg Med Chem. 2004 Feb 1;12(3):537-44.

    Jiwajinda S, et al. In vitro anti-tumor promoting and anti-parasitic activities of the quassinoids from Eurycoma longifolia, a medicinal plant in Southeast Asia. J Ethnopharmacol. 2002 Sep;82(1):55-8.

    Satayavivad J, et al. Toxicological and antimalarial activity of eurycomalactone and Eurycoma longifolia Jack extracts in mice. Thai J Phytopharmacy. 1998 Dec; 5(2):14-27.

    M.I.M Tambi, S. Othman, and J.M. Saad "Water-soluble extract of LJ100(TM) as a potential natural energizer for healthy aging men" Specialist Reproductive Research Center, National Population & Family Development Board,Ministry of Women and Family Development, Malaysia. Department of Biochemistry, Faculty of Medicine, University of Malaya, Malaysia.

    Courtesy of Source-1-Global product literature for LJ-100(TM)

    My fault shock dont mean to clog your thread up.

    Palm, bulbine has the potential to increase test up to 300% again, if you get the correct mg for YOUR weight. If you go over, E raises and test drops. I could pull literature on trib to if you want. Every shrub/herb is extract dependent.. throwing Longjack and trib into a "non effective and or garbage" category is silly.
    Wow calm down hard charger. It's not as big a deal as you're making it. To each their own. Lol...

    For every source you cite stating positive results another can be found showing negligible or negative results. IMO stick with what works for you based on experience.
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by PalmFist View Post
    Trib and long jack are worthless IMO.
    Quote Originally Posted by PalmFist View Post
    I really just don't believe any research on trib or long jack. My .02 cents
    Your words. All i did was provide validity to anyone else subbd to this thread on effectiveness of Longjack and test increase, in humans (in vitro) not rats.

    /rant
    Psalms 62:1-62:2

  10. Quote Originally Posted by tyga tyga View Post

    Your words. All i did was provide validity to anyone else subbd to this thread on effectiveness of Longjack and test increase, in humans (in vitro) not rats.

    /rant
    Very well then. I personally still do not care for either of those two supps. Moving on...

    If the 677 raises igf levels to +60% during long term how does igf-1 lr3 stack against it in a similar fashion over time? I have not found anything on this. Perhaps Tyga would like to comment?
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  11. Guessing Tyga isn't going to comment. Lol.


    Apologies AGAIN on the long wait for a post. I've been super busy. The new CO is weird about the program I'm in, and I'm starting back to college and crap.

    But for an update:

    I was eating a deficit and still maintaining my weight while dropping Bf. I dropped another 200 Cals a day and I think I've found my sweet spot. Cardio is getting more intense and since I started the SARMS run on this recomp, I'm down 4 lbs.
    Start: 240
    Now: 236 (-4)

    I haven't checked my body fat, but I know it's lower. I have a vein on my hip bone that I never noticed. It's money.
    I've Been KILLING it in the gym. This stuff is PERFECT for endurance and strength. I would love to see what it would do on a bulk...

    As for me, I'm riding these boys until Monday, then the beast begins..

    1-10 Test P 70MG ED
    1-3 SuperDrol 20/20/20
    6-10 Epistane 40/40/40/40
    1-10 HCG 500 iu/Week
    1-10 Aromasin 12.5 EOD
    10-14 Torem 120/90/60/60
    10-14 Universal Sterol Complex
    10-14 SNS DAA
    10-14 PES ErasePRO
    10-14 MK677

    Supports: (PreLoad)
    0-14 NAC
    Milk Thistle
    SAM-e
    CoQ-10
    Red Yeast Rice
    Hawthorne
    Fish Oil
    Animal Pak

  12. I am subscribing to this log again. Keep up the solid work bro. Sorry for jacking your thread...
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by PalmFist View Post
    I am subscribing to this log again. Keep up the solid work bro. Sorry for jacking your thread...
    Welcome back mane. Nah, no big deal brother. I'm down for some thread jack age.
    I will say, I've got another pull up on this 4 lb drop. I attribute it mainly to the strength increase. The muscle/mind of this stuff is intense.

    How do you think the Test will treat me doing a crossfit style workout twice a week, with strength training 3 times. Absolute shreddage/endurance? Or what?..

  14. Quote Originally Posted by PalmFist View Post

    Very well then. I personally still do not care for either of those two supps. Moving on...

    If the 677 raises igf levels to +60% during long term how does igf-1 lr3 stack against it in a similar fashion over time? I have not found anything on this. Perhaps Tyga would like to comment?
    I missed this. Although, i dont have a definitive anwser, though mk 677 is an oral peptide. I havent dived to deep into peptides. Im sure you could easily google literature and studies on lr3.
    Psalms 62:1-62:2

  15. Quote Originally Posted by ShockTroop View Post

    Welcome back mane. Nah, no big deal brother. I'm down for some thread jack age.
    I will say, I've got another pull up on this 4 lb drop. I attribute it mainly to the strength increase. The muscle/mind of this stuff is intense.

    How do you think the Test will treat me doing a crossfit style workout twice a week, with strength training 3 times. Absolute shreddage/endurance? Or what?..
    If your after size, id leave crossfit out.
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by tyga tyga View Post

    If your after size, id leave crossfit out.
    I'm going to introduce crossfit after the SD is out of my system. I need INTENSE cardio to train for my PFT, without just running nonstop.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by ShockTroop View Post

    I'm going to introduce crossfit after the SD is out of my system. I need INTENSE cardio to train for my PFT, without just running nonstop.
    HIIT. 15-20mins.. i equate crossfit to: injuries waiting to happen/central
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by tyga tyga View Post

    HIIT. 15-20mins.. i equate crossfit to: injuries waiting to happen/central
    Hm. Good point. I dont think we're exactly in sync with exactly what kind of cross fit I thinking about either. I'm not going to be doing the crazy 100 reps of clean and press then 50 reps deadlift followed by running your dog in the park across a log or whatever those chicks on Anavar do.
    More like, high rep body weight strength work, high intensity, etc. like the SEAL who invented it intended for the program to be done.
    Thanks for the continued input man.

  19. Yeah HIIT does wonders for cardio bro. And a PFT is only 3 miles. If you've never ran sub 20:00 I think you'll find it hard train yourself to get to 18:00. And as far as that goes, since it is only 3 miles the way I would recommend training for it is with sprints. Sprinting is proven to improve short distance runs more so than running 5 miles everyday. You could even make a HIIT workout based on sprinting.
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by PalmFist View Post
    Yeah HIIT does wonders for cardio bro. And a PFT is only 3 miles. If you've never ran sub 20:00 I think you'll find it hard train yourself to get to 18:00. And as far as that goes, since it is only 3 miles the way I would recommend training for it is with sprints. Sprinting is proven to improve short distance runs more so than running 5 miles everyday. You could even make a HIIT workout based on sprinting.
    I HAVE read that. Sound like a plan. I'm going to hit 3.5 miles once a week, and HIIT sprints 3 times a week. Then closer to the actual event, I'll try to hit 3.5 twice a week.
    And man, I ran a 1930 at boot and I haven't beat that ever. I want to. But as long as I'm on the upside of 270 my OSO doesn't talk too much crap. I've put on 40 pounds since last PFT though. I'm nervous bro.

  21. Lol. You're f*cked! Just kidding. But really that 40 lbs is gonna hurt your time drastically. You are tall though so your frame may support the gain better. You should do a mock PFT and go all out to find where you stand. Then reassess. And it's not hard to get a 270. That's what, a 23:00 run with hundreds on pulls and crunches. Something like that. Never been below 280 myself.
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  22. Don't feel bad I got zeroed out on my CFT a few months ago. I did the half mile sprint all out then hyperventilated, pretty much blacked out for a minute. Then I couldn't get back up because my legs had cramped to shyt and were full of lactic acid buildup, literally could not stand on my own. Went past the 5 min rest time and was zeroed out. I was on a harsh anabolic at the time though
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by PalmFist View Post
    Don't feel bad I got zeroed out on my CFT a few months ago. I did the half mile sprint all out then hyperventilated, pretty much blacked out for a minute. Then I couldn't get back up because my legs had cramped to shyt and were full of lactic acid buildup, literally could not stand on my own. Went past the 5 min rest time and was zeroed out. I was on a harsh anabolic at the time though
    Ouch. I always put up sick numbers on CFT. Feel sorry for whoever carries me though. Haha.
    Today was my last day of Osta and MK.
    Tomorrow, it's GOING DOWN. Get in that thread too Palm. I'll link it up.

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