My 1T/4AD/4OHT Phlojel Trans Cycle

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    My 1T/4AD/4OHT Phlojel Trans Cycle


    Edit: This is a official log for this originating thread 1-t/4ad Transdermal Question

    Made two batches of each. Enough to fill two 60ml syringes for a 6 week cycle.

    Edit: My daily dosage will be 150mg:300mg:150mg of 1T/4AD/4OHT split into two applications

    Here's how I broke down the formula for mixing.

    1T@75mg/ml 120ml total
    9gms of 1T + 10ml ethyl + 101gms Phlojel

    *4AD@139mg/ml 130ml total
    18gms of 4AD + 20ml ethyl + 92gms Phlojel

    *4OHT@69mg/ml 130ml total
    9gms of 4OHT + 20ml ethyl + 101gms Phlojel

    *=Had to make adjustments

    This is my first time homebrewing, so I don't have anything else to reference it to. Phlojel is THICK. It has a 1:1 ratio so 1ml = 1gm. I bought the 450gm jar.

    Since I'm using syringes so I can properly measure the "servings". I first used ethyl to make a paste of each powder.

    1T was easy to work with.

    4AD was a little more troublesome. I realized I had not account for enough Phlojel in the inital mix and it was extremely stiff added more Phlojel to compensate and went over by 10gms

    For some reason, I had to use extra ethyl for the 4OHT in order to get it to a nice paste (It turned out a bit runny compared to the other two).

    Then I worked in the Phlojel a little at a time to ensure that it was mixed well. Then I fed the final mixture into the rear of each syringe.

    Did my first app this morning 1.5 hours before my quad/calves and I felt warmer than I usually do and sweated more.
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    Day #1 11/30/04


    Workout this morning:
    QUADS
    Step Ups (dumbells)- warmup 2x10@35lbs, 3x8@80lb
    Leg Xtensions-3x10@180lbs
    Hack Squats-3x10@200lbs

    CALVES
    Seated raises warmup 2x10@90lbs, 3x8@180 (slow)
    Standing raises 3x100@300lbs (slow)
    Donkey raises 3x10@350lbs (slow)

    Didn't have time for HIIT cardio, late for work.

    Got home and did second app of the trans. Haven't experience any itching with the 1T yet. Places where apply trans (top of feet and collarbone) get warm after 30min and stay like that for 4-5 hours

    Ate clean today. (medium)

    Walked with girlfriend for 20min just got home.

    Not sleepy, gonna lay down awhile.
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    Day #2 12/01/04


    Morning,

    Need to get a new scale. weighed myself last night and was 233lbs this morning 239.6lbs

    Woke up, did my morning multi/ECY/zinc w/ 1tbs of Flax

    Preworkout and post workout shake: 30gms whey protien/15gms PowerAde (gatorade clone)/10gms glutamine

    Today is Hams/Shoulders/HIIT day
    HAMS
    Lying Leg Curls: 2x12@100 (warm up), 3x8@150 (slow)
    Seated Leg Curls: 3x8@180 (slow)
    Standing Leg Curls: 3x8@60 (slow)

    SHOULDERS
    Seated Db Millitary Press: 2x12@50 (warm up), 3x8@90
    Superset of Front and Side Db raises: 3x10@20

    (Note: If my workout weights seem a bit light, I change it every month and I just started a new one)

    HIIT:
    10min on Stairmaster
    1 min warmup
    9 intervals: 25sec high 35sec low

    Ate clean (heavy day)

    I find it hard to go to sleep still. Full of energy!
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    Day #3 12/02/04


    Weight: 240.4lbs

    Off day

    eating clean (light day)

    Will get measurements done today and post later.
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    Day #4 12/03/04


    Back in the gym:

    Weight-241

    Chest/Bis
    Chest:
    Hammer Inclines: 2x12@180 (warmup) ,3x8@360
    Db Bench: 3x10@100
    Db Flyes: 3x10@65

    Biceps:
    Straight Bb curls: 2x12@50 (warmup), 3x10@100 (slow)
    Standing Db curls: 3x10@50 (slow)
    Standing Db Hammer curls: 3x8@40 (slow)

    Felt an pump that I've never experience before when working chest and bi's and legs and shoulders are only minimally sore.

    Ate clean (medium)
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    Day #5 12/04/04


    Weight-242

    Back and Tris
    Back
    One arm Db rows: 2x12@50 (warmup), 3x10@100
    Pulldowns (Palms in): 2X12@120 (warmup), 3x8@230
    Tbar rows: 3x10@150
    Hammer High Rows: 3x8@180

    Tris
    Overhead Two hand Db ext: 2x12@50 (warmup), 3x10@100
    Palm up Tri ext: 3x8@85

    HIIT: Stairmaster 10min 1min warmup/30sec low/30sec hi

    Ate clean: (medium)

    Good pumps, don't feel bad in anyway.
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    Excellent. I will be following this log closely. I want to see how effective Phlojel is. Thanks for sharing your experience with us.

    You should probably edit your top post to let people know that you are using 150mg:300mg:150mg/day. So they don't have to look for that information themselves.

    Also, you are using 36g/294ml. I was under the impression that 60g would be achievable (200mg/ml) using ethanol on the powders before mixing. Or to put it otherwise, you are using 120mg/ml. 200 is just out of reach?

    Are you using DMSO, niacin, and what is your application procedure?
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    I have no experience with 1T so I'm not usre that ethyl is a good solvent. I have a Merk Index so if you can tell me of a pharmacutical that is close to 1T in composition I can look up the suitable solvents. 4OHT and 4AD do well with ethyl, however, the 4OHT I have used in the past was a bit granular. Much more so than the 4AD so you may have to work the 4OHT a bit more to get it to break down. If you are going to use a solvent in an effort to get the highest concentration possible, I would work with the 4OHT first to be sure that all the little chunks are broken down, then add the 4AD. Just MHO. Thanks for posting your log.

    Quote Originally Posted by Strateg0s
    Also, you are using 36g/294ml. I was under the impression that 60g would be achievable (200mg/ml) using ethanol on the powders before mixing. Or to put it otherwise, you are using 120mg/ml. 200 is just out of reach?

    Are you using DMSO, niacin, and what is your application procedure?
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    Day #6 12/5/04


    Weight-238lbs

    Pre run shake = 30gms whey/10gms Poweade/5gms Glutamine
    Ran 2.5 miles in 28min

    Ate clean (light)

    Will take measurements tomorrow morning and starting new eating program.
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    Day #7 12/6/04


    Weight-239.8

    Pre run shake = 30gms whey/10gms Poweade/5gms Glutamine
    Ran 2.5 miles for 27 minutes

    Measurements
    Hieght - 5'7''
    Chest - 50'
    Thigh - 29''
    Calves - 19''
    Arms - 18''
    Waist - 40'' (my problem area, where I carry most of my fat)

    Starting a detox program made for me by my nutrionist so I will be listing that when I get home each day this week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strateg0s
    Excellent. I will be following this log closely. I want to see how effective Phlojel is. Thanks for sharing your experience with us.

    You should probably edit your top post to let people know that you are using 150mg:300mg:150mg/day. So they don't have to look for that information themselves.

    Also, you are using 36g/294ml. I was under the impression that 60g would be achievable (200mg/ml) using ethanol on the powders before mixing. Or to put it otherwise, you are using 120mg/ml. 200 is just out of reach?

    Are you using DMSO, niacin, and what is your application procedure?
    I'm not sure what you're asking.

    Each syringe holds 60ml and I was trying to work it out so 1ml would have the dosage I required (75mg:150mg:75mg/ml per application).
    I made seperate batches of each, I didn't mix them together. I am sure that it could hold more, but this is my first time doing this and I didn't want to chance messing it up.

    I'm not using any of the above that you mentioned. After I take a shower, I apply to places where skin is the thinnest (top of feet, back of calf, collarbone, hip)

    The phlojel dissolves very quickly with very little residue.
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    Day #8 12/7/04


    Weight 236.2 (detox diet)

    Woke up, did my morning multi/ECY/zinc w/ 1tbs of Flax

    Preworkout and post workout shake: 30gms whey protien/15gms PowerAde (gatorade clone)/10gms glutamine

    QUADS
    Step Ups (dumbells)- warmup 2x12@40lbs, 3x8@80lb (1.5 min rest b/t)
    Leg Xtensions-1x15@100lbs, 3x10@200lbs (1.5 min rest b/t)
    Hack Squats-3x10@230lbs (1.5 min rest b/t)

    CALVES
    Seated raises warmup 2x10@90lbs, 3x8@180 (slow) (1.5 min rest b/t)
    Standing raises 3x10@300lbs (slow) (1.5 min rest b/t)
    Donkey raises 3x10@350lbs (slow) (1.5 min rest b/t)
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    Day #8 12/8/04


    Weight 236.8

    Woke up, did my morning multi/ECY/zinc w/ 1tbs of Flax

    Preworkout and post workout shake: 30gms whey protien/15gms PowerAde (gatorade clone)/10gms glutamine

    Today is Hams/Shoulders/HIIT day
    HAMS
    Lying Leg Curls: 2x15@100 (warm up), 3x10@150
    Seated Leg Curls: 3x10@180
    Standing Leg Curls: 3x10@60

    SHOULDERS
    Seated Db Millitary Press: 2x15@50 (warm up), 3x10@95
    Superset of Front and Side Db raises: 3x10@25



    HIIT:
    11min on Stairmaster
    1 min warmup
    10 intervals: 30sec high 30sec low
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    Day #9 12/9/04


    Weight 234.0

    Woke up, did my morning multi/ECY/zinc w/ 1tbs of Flax

    Preworkout and post workout shake: 30gms whey protien/15gms PowerAde (gatorade clone)/10gms glutamine

    HIIT:
    11min on Cycle
    1 min warmup
    10 intervals: 30sec high 30sec low

    Feeling pretty good, the soreness I usually have after working legs has changed to a dull ache.
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    Day #10 12/10/04


    Weight 233.8
    Woke up, did my morning multi/ECY/zinc w/ 1tbs of Flax

    Preworkout and post workout shake: 30gms whey protien/15gms PowerAde (gatorade clone)/10gms glutamine

    Chest/Bis
    Chest:
    Hammer Inclines: 2x15@90 (warmup) ,3x10@320
    Db Bench: 3x10@105
    Db Flyes: 3x10@65

    Biceps:
    Straight Bb curls: 2x12@50 (warmup), 3x10@100 (slow)
    Standing Db Hammer curls: 3x8@50 (slow)
    Preacher EZ-bar curls: 2x10@60 (slow) (Dumbell hogs were running amok and didn't feel like waiting)

    HIIT:
    11min on Stairmaster
    1 min warmup
    10 intervals: 30sec high 30sec low
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    Quote Originally Posted by triceptor
    I have no experience with 1T so I'm not usre that ethyl is a good solvent. I have a Merk Index so if you can tell me of a pharmacutical that is close to 1T in composition I can look up the suitable solvents. 4OHT and 4AD do well with ethyl, however, the 4OHT I have used in the past was a bit granular. Much more so than the 4AD so you may have to work the 4OHT a bit more to get it to break down. If you are going to use a solvent in an effort to get the highest concentration possible, I would work with the 4OHT first to be sure that all the little chunks are broken down, then add the 4AD. Just MHO. Thanks for posting your log.
    I would appreciate that. if you could list the solvents, Tri.
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    Quote Originally Posted by triceptor
    I have no experience with 1T so I'm not usre that ethyl is a good solvent. I have a Merk Index so if you can tell me of a pharmacutical that is close to 1T in composition I can look up the suitable solvents. 4OHT and 4AD do well with ethyl, however, the 4OHT I have used in the past was a bit granular. Much more so than the 4AD so you may have to work the 4OHT a bit more to get it to break down. If you are going to use a solvent in an effort to get the highest concentration possible, I would work with the 4OHT first to be sure that all the little chunks are broken down, then add the 4AD. Just MHO. Thanks for posting your log.
    I would appreciate that. if you could list the solvents, Tri.
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    update???


    Hows the cycle going?

    Quote Originally Posted by RUREADY4ME
    I would appreciate that. if you could list the solvents, Tri.
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    Final Tally


    Sorry I've haven't been as detailed as I was in the begining, was getting annoyed with the weight fluctionations.

    After a 4 week cycle (ended yesterday)

    Measurements
    Hieght - 5'7''
    Chest - 48'
    Thigh - 28''
    Calves - 18''
    Arms - 18''
    Waist - 37.5''
    Weight=239lbs

    I am satasfied with the results. I've lost inches yet my weight didn't change and strength and endurance went up.

    No sides to report whatsoever, maybe the 4OHT was the reason.

    I'm PCT now with Nolvo/Clomid with the following schedule (total ripoff from Beelzebub)

    week 1: clomid 100mg, nolva 80mg
    week 2: clomid 80mg, nolva 60mg
    week 3: clomid 60mg, nolva 40mg
    week 4: clomid 50mg, nolva 20mg

    Also starting a clen cycle today as well

    Thanks for the help from eveyone who did.
  

  
 

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