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  1. Quote Originally Posted by grandroid828

    yes i know (assumed) you werent THAT dumb. but its misleading. because yeah its a baseline. but 100 mg clomid and 100mg nolva. both serms. but 100 mg nolva is STUPID high dose. very problematic. whereas 100mg Clomid is a middle, baseline dose. same thing with halodrol and superdrol. 10 mg halo wouldnt do ****. 10 mg superdrol is low, but still plenty powerful to have gains, as well as sides. see what i mean? i get your baseline theory, but its misleading. because you cant base most of these things on a mg to mg basis.
    100mg of clomid is not middle or baseline, that's like the top end that you could go without guaranteeing vision problems.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by VinD

    Actually I started lifting in 8th grade for football. After HS I started bodybuilding for fun. Have been doing so for 2 years. Uneducated? I hold an ACE certification for personal training (even though I disagree with some of their info). Never touched a steroid until 2 months ago when I did my first very short cycle to see what it was all about. I gained about 5-7 lb of lean muscle. That's my (very very shortened) story. But nice trying to undermine me. AND ALSO, I don't intend to take 100mg a day! The first post was a HYPOTHETICAL dose. Obviously 100mg a day to start is insane! It is simple to give ratios out of 100. Like out of 100mg of PH taken, 40mg will convert to steroid.
    on a side note, im nasm certified and i also disagree with half the book, these certifications suck

    now back onto main topic. if you want to experiment, get dmz or m sten like i suggested earlier. these are the legal comparable orals to superdrol. if you want something more mild, try epi, hdrol, or pmag. if you want an actual prohormone, well youre out of luck cuz all the good ones are kind of gone. you can try a stack of 4-dhea, 1-dhea, and nordhea, but you prbly wont like the gains too much compared to a harsher oral or aas. thr arnt too many prohormones anymore
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  3. I apologize for the confusion. Thanks for being patient with me.

  4. Pro-steroids are not prohormones. I said this in the beginning. He is looking for compounds that have to convert in the body once consumed. If he wants active compounds id try epistane or halodrol. If he wants a ph id try the PP line or products like theres. Dont call active compounds prohormones. It makes you look like you dont know what your talking about.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post
    100mg of clomid is not middle or baseline, that's like the top end that you could go without guaranteeing vision problems.
    deff true without vision. but i was under the impression a 4 week 100/100/50/50 clomid was very similar to a 40/40/20/20 nolva pct, which is, relatively safe? no?
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by grandroid828 View Post
    well. my apologies. didnt mean to come off that way. but on a real note, am i really the one out of all the talk in this forum that need be corrected over a trivial debatable subject? lol.
    I didnt even read all of the thread to be honest but you were getting all uppity with the OP yet giving false advice yourself, so i had to correct it.

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  7. Quote Originally Posted by ThunderHumper View Post
    on a side note, im nasm certified and i also disagree with half the book, these certifications suck

    now back onto main topic. if you want to experiment, get dmz or m sten like i suggested earlier. these are the legal comparable orals to superdrol. if you want something more mild, try epi, hdrol, or pmag. if you want an actual prohormone, well youre out of luck cuz all the good ones are kind of gone. you can try a stack of 4-dhea, 1-dhea, and nordhea, but you prbly wont like the gains too much compared to a harsher oral or aas. thr arnt too many prohormones anymore
    SD and DMZ arnt legal anymore. There was a ban.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by grandroid828

    deff true without vision. but i was under the impression a 4 week 100/100/50/50 clomid was very similar to a 40/40/20/20 nolva pct, which is, relatively safe? no?
    No. Most people don't go higher than 75 and I don't think I've ever seen someone do higher than 100

  9. Quote Originally Posted by VinD View Post
    I apologize for the confusion. Thanks for being patient with me.
    no problem. like i said. we're here to all help each other. i was correcting your stuff. couple guys corrected some of the stuff i said. thats how it works lol

  10. Quote Originally Posted by SweetLou321

    SD and DMZ arnt legal anymore. There was a ban.
    DMZ wasn't on that ban that I know of. Just SD and furuza-A(I think)

  11. Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post
    No. Most people don't go higher than 75 and I don't think I've ever seen someone do higher than 100
    interesting. might read up here on a couple of hdrol and such logs. ive seen SEVERAL that actually start at 150. some even would do 300 for one day, then 150/100/50/50 for the rest. crazy. im much fonder of nolva. its not methylated, but is still somewhat hepatoxic, but i still find it nicer as far as sides go.

  12. M Sten appears to be illegal. There's a product called Super M sten though.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by grandroid828

    interesting. might read up here on a couple of hdrol and such logs. ive seen SEVERAL that actually start at 150. some even would do 300 for one day, then 150/100/50/50 for the rest. crazy. im much fonder of nolva. its not methylated, but is still somewhat hepatoxic, but i still find it nicer as far as sides go.
    I don't follow AAS logs usually but 300 is stupid high for clomid and I would really like to see the literature that suggested more than 100.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by SweetLou321

    SD and DMZ arnt legal anymore. There was a ban.
    the ban was sd and pstanz, not dmz. m sten = methylstenbolone, aka ultradrol. which is also not banned. i said dmz and ultradrol were the two comparabke compounds to superdrol that are still legal

  15. Quote Originally Posted by VinD
    M Sten appears to be illegal. There's a product called Super M sten though.
    Methyl stenbolone shouldn't be illegal, I don't believe I saw it on the last ban list.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by ThunderHumper

    the ban was sd and pstanz, not dmz. m sten = methylstenbolone, aka ultradrol. which is also not banned. i said dmz and ultradrol were the two comparabke compounds to superdrol that are still legal
    and to op, bfn mass trauma is a ultradrol clone

  17. Quote Originally Posted by SweetLou321 View Post
    SD and DMZ arnt legal anymore. There was a ban.
    DMZ is still legal and so is M-Sten, but because some SD will still contaminate the M-Sten no matter how pure. So therefor most bigger.companies stopped producing it.
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by ThunderHumper View Post
    the ban was sd and pstanz, not dmz. m sten = methylstenbolone, aka ultradrol. which is also not banned. i said dmz and ultradrol were the two comparabke compounds to superdrol that are still legal
    this reminded me of something very very irrelevant lol. does anyone else find the names of these things silly? i mean its like a 12 year old punk kid name em all. superdrol, ultradrol, beastdrol, insert generic powerful adjective here drol

  19. I'm just going to go buy some bomb-drol and stack it with rage-drol

  20. Quote Originally Posted by VinD View Post
    Yes because it's not modified in a way such as Dbol to be so harsh on the liver.
    lol, many PH/DS are very harsh on the liver!

    Quote Originally Posted by grandroid828 View Post
    AND ANOTHER THING. A good ph (superdrol or m1t or the others listed here) ellicit BETTER than steroid like gains. a good but safe (relatively) run of SD would ellicit probably 20 lbs easy in 4-5 weeks. steroids arent that good. steroids are mostly safer and the gains are easier to keep tho. its not hard to get steroid gains. its hard to get them safely and keep them. why not just do 2 or 3 legit, safe, cycles over the next year and see where it gets you? might i suggest halodrol at 50/75/75/75/75/100 with nolva 20/20/10/10 (and of course support supps)??? or epistane? or p stanz? you have options. it doesnt really make a difference to me whether you do it or not. i just dont wanna see your thread in a month in all caps saying "help gyno and limp dick and no libido and no energy and all my gains are gone blah blah".... its gonna happen. these arent toys. they arent dangerous IF USED PROPERLY. anything in this world can be abused.
    Are you really trying to say that prohormones are better then actually steroids? So you think a dhea compound will yield greater results then something like oxymetholone? That's just silly. There are relatively strong and weak PH's and oral AAS both, however, most of the stronger PH/DS/AAS, and thus more frequently abused and in the public eye, have become illegal. That certainly doesn't classify them as to their potency but you can always look up the A/A ratio. Of course it's also user dependent as well, I hate SD and saw nothing but sides from it. I do agree with a lot of what you're saying here though.

    Quote Originally Posted by grandroid828 View Post
    deff true without vision. but i was under the impression a 4 week 100/100/50/50 clomid was very similar to a 40/40/20/20 nolva pct, which is, relatively safe? no?
    That's high for clomid. 30 mg is a good effective dose of clomid. The higher doses like that would be for Toremifene Citrate, which I actual prefer of Tamoxifene.

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post
    DMZ wasn't on that ban that I know of. Just SD and furuza-A(I think)
    You are correct.
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by kingjameskjf View Post
    lol, many PH/DS are very harsh on the liver!



    Are you really trying to say that prohormones are better then actually steroids? So you think a dhea compound will yield greater results then something like oxymetholone? That's just silly. There are relatively strong and weak PH's and oral AAS both, however, most of the stronger PH/DS/AAS, and thus more frequently abused and in the public eye, have become illegal. That certainly doesn't classify them as to their potency but you can always look up the A/A ratio. Of course it's also user dependent as well, I hate SD and saw nothing but sides from it. I do agree with a lot of what you're saying here though.



    That's high for clomid. 30 mg is a good effective dose of clomid. The higher doses like that would be for Toremifene Citrate, which I actual prefer of Tamoxifene.



    You are correct.
    i was trying to say that some orals/ph. such as superdrol (for most) can ellicit steroid like gains when you account for the time frame. take a first time cycle. 500 mg test E. 12 weeks. provided all went well, 20 lbs would not be unusual at all, correct? some would have more. and then take superdrol. even a 4 week cycle at 10/20/20/20 would probably elicit 20 lbs (provided the guy got lucky and made it thru scott free ). i was saying that you can come fairly close to steroid gains. not 700 mg test E + deca +dbol gains. but. nonetheless, i was just trying to say orals and ph deff are powerful on there own, and not to be taken lightly just because they arent controlled substances or illegal or banned.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by grandroid828 View Post
    i was trying to say that some orals/ph. such as superdrol (for most) can ellicit steroid like gains when you account for the time frame. take a first time cycle. 500 mg test E. 12 weeks. provided all went well, 20 lbs would not be unusual at all, correct? some would have more. and then take superdrol. even a 4 week cycle at 10/20/20/20 would probably elicit 20 lbs (provided the guy got lucky and made it thru scott free ). i was saying that you can come fairly close to steroid gains. not 700 mg test E + deca +dbol gains. but. nonetheless, i was just trying to say orals and ph deff are powerful on there own, and not to be taken lightly just because they arent controlled substances or illegal or banned.
    ah gotcha and agreed!
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  23. What do you guys think about a Ultradrol/Mechabol Stack Cycle?

  24. Quote Originally Posted by VinD
    What do you guys think about a Ultradrol/Mechabol Stack Cycle?
    Dont know enough about mecha to say. Ultradrol is the shizzzz tho. Very good product. I thought it was banned tho?

  25. Quote Originally Posted by grandroid828

    Dont know enough about mecha to say. Ultradrol is the shizzzz tho. Very good product. I thought it was banned tho?
    No its not. As has been said already (more than once) only SD and Furuza-A caught the ban hammer.

  26. mechadrol is a 4chloro coumpound: 4-chloro-17α-methyl-androst-4-en-17β-ol-3-one


    recommended dose is 50-75mg/day. Says it doesn't aromatize so I figured it could be supplemented nicely with the Ultradrol.

  27. Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post
    No its not. As has been said already (more than once) only SD and Furuza-A caught the ban hammer.
    I think it was SD and Prostanz, i dont think furaza was in it was it?
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  28. Quote Originally Posted by 3clipseGT

    I think it was SD and Prostanz, i dont think furaza was in it was it?
    I didn't think prostanz was. I'm pretty sure furuza was because katanadrol got banned.

  29. Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post
    I didn't think prostanz was. I'm pretty sure furuza was because katanadrol got banned.
    Yea prostanz definitely was included in the ban. Not so sure about furaza though. Cant find anything on it.
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  30. Quote Originally Posted by 3clipseGT View Post
    Yea prostanz definitely was included in the ban. Not so sure about furaza though. Cant find anything on it.
    Furaza was not caught in the ban net...


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