Most potent Pro Hormone--Going to do an experiment!

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by BPjohn123 View Post
    Rat poison.

    Go with PmS Black Liver
    Well he asked for the most potent, and m1t is it...


    My instinct was to win, eliminate anyone who is in competion. Destroy my enemy, and move on without any kind of hesataion at all.
    ~Arnold~
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by Jawbreaker24 View Post
    Brother it's legit, trust me...


    My instinct was to win, eliminate anyone who is in competion. Destroy my enemy, and move on without any kind of hesataion at all.
    ~Arnold~
    I've heard so many bad things about online purchasing from overseas sources though.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by VinD View Post
    You Mean Methyl 1-D? I found a good deal on that. I think it may be the winner cus it's readily available. Researched some of the ingredients and they seem solid too.
    M1T and Superdrol which are both strong and both have their own nasty sides, and are both illegal.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jawbreaker24 View Post
    Well he asked for the most potent, and m1t is it...
    He also asked for legal which he reiterated a few times.
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by kingjameskjf View Post
    M1T and Superdrol which are both strong and both have their own nasty sides, and are both illegal. He also asked for legal which he reiterated a few times.


    Thank you! Yeah guys, I just want to know what product has some solid science behind it that would be available at a normal U.S. online retailer. Like I said, best one i found online researching is Methyl 1-D. Whatever I decide to experiment with I'm going to use a pretty high dose. The whole idea I wanna test out is: how ridiculously high of a dose do you have to take of a PH to see steroid like results. And like I said, I plan to take PES erase to keep any possible gyno, etc. at bay.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by VinD View Post
    Thank you! Yeah guys, I just want to know what product has some solid science behind it that would be available at a normal U.S. online retailer. Like I said, best one i found online researching is Methyl 1-D. Whatever I decide to experiment with I'm going to use a pretty high dose. The whole idea I wanna test out is: how ridiculously high of a dose do you have to take of a PH to see steroid like results. And like I said, I plan to take PES erase to keep any possible gyno, etc. at bay.
    Just remember that higher doses doesn't always mean that it'll make it more effective. For example, I loved epistane at 30 mg but whenever I went much more over that I would have a compounding increase in nasty side effects that negated the worth of any minimal extra gains. Two PH's that I still love and think are great with very little sides are P-Mag and Protodrol, both run at 100 mg for optimal dosing scheme for myself. Another good option is M-LMG.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by kingjameskjf View Post
    Just remember that higher doses doesn't always mean that it'll make it more effective. For example, I loved epistane at 30 mg but whenever I went much more over that I would have a compounding increase in nasty side effects that negated the worth of any minimal extra gains. Two PH's that I still love and think are great with very little sides are P-Mag and Protodrol, both run at 100 mg for optimal dosing scheme for myself. Another good option is M-LMG.
    Of those three, which would you say is the most effective as a stand alone?

  7. Guys. Is noone really gonna explain this? The bioavailability of 100mg is irrelavent. Thats a really weird way to measure strength. 100g of protein is one REALLY big meal. 100g of caffeine, would kill you. See my point? 100mg halodrol is a high but reasonably safe dose if worked up to. 100 mg superdrol, well, whens the funeral again? Its really foolish to look for the biggest baddest strongest thing u can get just to "try it out". THIS is why steroids are illegal. This right here.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by VinD

    Thank you! Yeah guys, I just want to know what product has some solid science behind it that would be available at a normal U.S. online retailer. Like I said, best one i found online researching is Methyl 1-D. Whatever I decide to experiment with I'm going to use a pretty high dose. The whole idea I wanna test out is: how ridiculously high of a dose do you have to take of a PH to see steroid like results. And like I said, I plan to take PES erase to keep any possible gyno, etc. at bay.
    Seriously? Freakin erase for a super harsh intentionally high dosed cycle?! Am i the only one seeing this?!?!?! Erase is a GREAT product dont get me wrong. But dude. Youre insane for doing this. More insane for thinking you have the knowledge needed. 5 minutes and google would tell you (other than dont be this stupid) that you deff need nolva and letro/arimidex on hand. The way youre talking, id go with the former. As its far stronger.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by grandroid828
    Guys. Is noone really gonna explain this? The bioavailability of 100mg is irrelavent. Thats a really weird way to measure strength. 100g of protein is one REALLY big meal. 100g of caffeine, would kill you. See my point? 100mg halodrol is a high but reasonably safe dose if worked up to. 100 mg superdrol, well, whens the funeral again? Its really foolish to look for the biggest baddest strongest thing u can get just to "try it out". THIS is why steroids are illegal. This right here.
    actually this isnt why steroids are illegal. theyre illegal because athletes use them as unfair performance enhancements and they are listed under class III controlled drugs.
    HOWEVER, this right here is exactly the reason every prohormone on the market is getting banned next year. good job op, youre fukin smart

    go run 100mg superdrol stacked with 100mg dmz for 8 weeks and review how you feel. no oral will give you better gains. but complete irreversible shutdown, or complete liver ailure is completely possible

    btw, apologies for being a smartass grandroid, all flame to op intended

  10. Quote Originally Posted by ThunderHumper

    actually this isnt why steroids are illegal. theyre illegal because athletes use them as unfair performance enhancements and they are listed under class III controlled drugs.
    HOWEVER, this right here is exactly the reason every prohormone on the market is getting banned next year. good job op, youre fukin smart

    go run 100mg superdrol stacked with 100mg dmz for 8 weeks and review how you feel. no oral will give you better gains. but complete irreversible shutdown, or complete liver ailure is completely possible

    btw, apologies for being a smartass grandroid, all flame to op intended
    No apology necessary. You said what i was trying to say just smarter lol. Its rediculous is it not? I mean damn run the things if you wanna but you sound like a 16 yr old that just got a bowflex for xmas and doesnt wanna learn about anything, just wants to get big as fast as possible with no consideration for the rammifications of strong, overdosed prohormone use.

  11. You guys have it all wrong. I'M NOT LOOKING FOR AN ORAL STEROID. I'm looking to see what anabolic power can be yielded with a 100% legal PH!! No superdrol, no nolvadex... Nothing I have to buy overseas. I'm not going to kill myself? I'm not an idiot. Whatever product I decide on I'm going to start with the maximum reccomended dose, then possibly bump it up just a bit. Jeez you guys blow stuff way out of proportion sometimes. I've done my fair share of research. Obviously any REAL AAS would be much better. This is just for fun while I'm not on any AAS.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by VinD View Post
    You guys have it all wrong. I'M NOT LOOKING FOR AN ORAL STEROID. I'm looking to see what anabolic power can be yielded with a 100% legal PH!! No superdrol, no nolvadex... Nothing I have to buy overseas. I'm not going to kill myself? I'm not an idiot. Whatever product I decide on I'm going to start with the maximum reccomended dose, then possibly bump it up just a bit. Jeez you guys blow stuff way out of proportion sometimes. I've done my fair share of research. Obviously any REAL AAS would be much better. This is just for fun while I'm not on any AAS.
    bro. ph's ARE ORAL STEROIDS. where have you been?

    just because its legal doesnt mean it isnt an oral steroid. and DEFINITELY doesnt mean its safe. cmon now. for the sake of all us others who do our research and do things responsibly, please stop before you die, get put on the news, and we have another batch of banned substances that are reasonably safe if used correctly. what youre doing it NOT correct use.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by VinD View Post
    You guys have it all wrong. I'M NOT LOOKING FOR AN ORAL STEROID. I'm looking to see what anabolic power can be yielded with a 100% legal PH!! No superdrol, no nolvadex... Nothing I have to buy overseas. I'm not going to kill myself? I'm not an idiot. Whatever product I decide on I'm going to start with the maximum reccomended dose, then possibly bump it up just a bit. Jeez you guys blow stuff way out of proportion sometimes. I've done my fair share of research. Obviously any REAL AAS would be much better. This is just for fun while I'm not on any AAS.
    youve done your research? yet youre against nolva? lol. you havent done any legitimate research.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by grandroid828 View Post
    bro. ph's ARE ORAL STEROIDS. where have you been?

    just because its legal doesnt mean it isnt an oral steroid. and DEFINITELY doesnt mean its safe. cmon now. for the sake of all us others who do our research and do things responsibly, please stop before you die, get put on the news, and we have another batch of banned substances that are reasonably safe if used correctly. what youre doing it NOT correct use.
    It converts to an active steroid, doesn't start out as one. I'm not against nolva. SERM just like clomid. I know what it's purpose is. The whole point of this is to see what legal, easily accessible product can give good results. That's all.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by VinD
    You guys have it all wrong. I'M NOT LOOKING FOR AN ORAL STEROID. I'm looking to see what anabolic power can be yielded with a 100% legal PH!! No superdrol, no nolvadex... Nothing I have to buy overseas. I'm not going to kill myself? I'm not an idiot. Whatever product I decide on I'm going to start with the maximum reccomended dose, then possibly bump it up just a bit. Jeez you guys blow stuff way out of proportion sometimes. I've done my fair share of research. Obviously any REAL AAS would be much better. This is just for fun while I'm not on any AAS.
    Dumb post is dumb.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by grandroid828 View Post
    bro. ph's ARE ORAL STEROIDS. where have you been?

    just because its legal doesnt mean it isnt an oral steroid. and DEFINITELY doesnt mean its safe. cmon now. for the sake of all us others who do our research and do things responsibly, please stop before you die, get put on the news, and we have another batch of banned substances that are reasonably safe if used correctly. what youre doing it NOT correct use.
    Phs arent oral steroids. Oral steroids are oral steroids.
    E-Pharm Rep... PM me with any questions or concerns

  17. Quote Originally Posted by VinD

    It converts to an active steroid, doesn't start out as one. I'm not against nolva. SERM just like clomid. I know what it's purpose is. The whole point of this is to see what legal, easily accessible product can give good results. That's all.
    So in your mind a trivial step in between it being ingested and then becoming active makes it any less of a steroid than if it had been ingested as an active steroid?

  18. Yes because it's not modified in a way such as Dbol to be so harsh on the liver.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by VinD View Post
    Thank you! Yeah guys, I just want to know what product has some solid science behind it that would be available at a normal U.S. online retailer. Like I said, best one i found online researching is Methyl 1-D. Whatever I decide to experiment with I'm going to use a pretty high dose. The whole idea I wanna test out is: how ridiculously high of a dose do you have to take of a PH to see steroid like results. And like I said, I plan to take PES erase to keep any possible gyno, etc. at bay.
    AND ANOTHER THING. A good ph (superdrol or m1t or the others listed here) ellicit BETTER than steroid like gains. a good but safe (relatively) run of SD would ellicit probably 20 lbs easy in 4-5 weeks. steroids arent that good. steroids are mostly safer and the gains are easier to keep tho. its not hard to get steroid gains. its hard to get them safely and keep them. why not just do 2 or 3 legit, safe, cycles over the next year and see where it gets you? might i suggest halodrol at 50/75/75/75/75/100 with nolva 20/20/10/10 (and of course support supps)??? or epistane? or p stanz? you have options. it doesnt really make a difference to me whether you do it or not. i just dont wanna see your thread in a month in all caps saying "help gyno and limp dick and no libido and no energy and all my gains are gone blah blah".... its gonna happen. these arent toys. they arent dangerous IF USED PROPERLY. anything in this world can be abused.

  20. omfg SD and m1t are HARSHER than dbol. wheres this research youre doing?

  21. Quote Originally Posted by VinD
    Yes because it's not modified in a way such as Dbol to be so harsh on the liver.
    Yep you're right. Methylated PH's aren't harsh on the liver at all and none of them cause any shutdown that you would want a full PCT to recover from.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by 3clipseGT View Post
    Phs arent oral steroids. Oral steroids are oral steroids.
    an oral pill, that converts to a steroidal hormone, is an oral steroid. very simple. it may not be classified in the same way as say, dbol and such, but it IS an oral steroid.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post
    Yep you're right. Methylated PH's aren't harsh on the liver at all and none of them cause any shutdown that you would want a full PCT to recover from.
    we're fighting a losing battle bro. pretty soon all you and me will have is tribulus to try and make gains with. people like this are gonna get everything taken off the shelves

  24. Quote Originally Posted by VinD View Post
    It converts to an active steroid, doesn't start out as one. I'm not against nolva. SERM just like clomid. I know what it's purpose is. The whole point of this is to see what legal, easily accessible product can give good results. That's all.
    i never said it did start out as one. but if it converts to a steroidal hormone it is a steroid. "steroid" isnt a synonym for illegal. progesterone cream is a steroid. cortisone shots are steroids. pro hormones ARE STEROIDS. and dude i get it. but what if i was asking " hey guys, lets see what the highest bridge i can jump off of without dying is? im thinking start out at 100 ft to pavement."..... what the hell is the point in that? we already have an answer to your question. TONS of legal easily accessible products give good results. how bout protein? creatine? nahh man dont neeed that, lets hype up on some methylated hormones and tear that liver apart!

  25. I'll run Adex on cycle and do Nova after the cycle.... I'm not being stubborn right now. The thing is, I don't currently have a real AAS source so I figured I'd try some legal PH and legal anti-e (stuff you can get at a ***.com-like website) to see how it compares to the real stuff. That is all I wanted to do. My intention is not to abuse anything or destroy my health for fun.
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