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  1. Have you ran any of those compounds other than test?


  2. Yes i have i have ran, dbol, deca, eq, and drol before.
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  3. First of all 600 mg of EQ a week dosage too low? I think not. And i know deca should be ran minimum 10 to 12 weeks optimum 16. I'm splitting it into two 8 week parts, due to it being a long ester generally you do run it for longer, so maybe i should adjust that but i am curious how splitting it the way i am will work. The reason I'm switching from test to sust is this little thing called diminishing returns. Running 1g test a week beyond 16 weeks is pointless. I'm keeping the low dose if test as TRT and switching to sust to switch esters and compounds and blast for 8 more weeks instead of cruising. Considering adding dbol again in last part of cycle will depend in condition of my body. And yes I'm running var and dbol together. I know what the two compounds are meant to do and I'm trying something.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by ddrose21 View Post
    First of all 600 mg of EQ a week dosage too low? I think not. And i know deca should be ran minimum 10 to 12 weeks optimum 16. I'm splitting it into two 8 week parts, due to it being a long ester generally you do run it for longer, so maybe i should adjust that but i am curious how splitting it the way i am will work. The reason I'm switching from test to sust is this little thing called diminishing returns. Running 1g test a week beyond 16 weeks is pointless. I'm keeping the low dose if test as TRT and switching to sust to switch esters and compounds and blast for 8 more weeks instead of cruising. Considering adding dbol again in last part of cycle will depend in condition of my body. And yes I'm running var and dbol together. I know what the two compounds are meant to do and I'm trying something.
    Is that what your vast experience has taught you about testosterone usage and I don't understand the purpose/point of switching esters and dropping the dose at that point in the cycle? Out of curiosity, how many times have you run test for 16 weeks at any dose much less 1g/week?
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  5. Quote Originally Posted by ddrose21 View Post
    First of all 600 mg of EQ a week dosage too low? I think not. And i know deca should be ran minimum 10 to 12 weeks optimum 16. I'm splitting it into two 8 week parts, due to it being a long ester generally you do run it for longer, so maybe i should adjust that but i am curious how splitting it the way i am will work. The reason I'm switching from test to sust is this little thing called diminishing returns. Running 1g test a week beyond 16 weeks is pointless. I'm keeping the low dose if test as TRT and switching to sust to switch esters and compounds and blast for 8 more weeks instead of cruising. Considering adding dbol again in last part of cycle will depend in condition of my body. And yes I'm running var and dbol together. I know what the two compounds are meant to do and I'm trying something.
    This post makes my head hurt.
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/223429-abscent-minded-log.html
    Quote Originally Posted by csa2179 View Post
    Pin the kittens with the tren, then attack the judges with the kittens, uppity bastards
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  6. Not my balls not my problem or liver for thar matter

  7. Well for those of you who had constructive criticism i am going to do this cycle and for those of you who just decided to flame without any direction. F*ck you. If you think the cycle needs adjustment offer advice not bash me or flame. Your just condescending assh*les. Enough said. Some people deserved to be banned for flaming or just being idiotic. I hope you've ruined your reproductive system through steroids because God knows you don't need to reproduce. Flame on rodja and gerbil.

  8. The mixing of sus and test does not make alot of sense, unless you flipped it. Sus being a mixture of esters would be better off at the begining of the cycle then switching to test e at the end of the cycle. The deca if you want to run it run it for 12 weeks at a logical dosage. Those are my opinions the whole long ester to blend makes no sense. If you want to run NPP for a shorter amount of time by all means but deca is different.


    Quote Originally Posted by ddrose21 View Post
    Well for those of you who had constructive criticism i am going to do this cycle and for those of you who just decided to flame without any direction. F*ck you. If you think the cycle needs adjustment offer advice not bash me or flame. Your just condescending assh*les. Enough said. Some people deserved to be banned for flaming or just being idiotic. I hope you've ruined your reproductive system through steroids because God knows you don't need to reproduce. Flame on rodja and gerbil.
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/223429-abscent-minded-log.html
    Quote Originally Posted by csa2179 View Post
    Pin the kittens with the tren, then attack the judges with the kittens, uppity bastards

  9. Quote Originally Posted by ddrose21 View Post
    Well for those of you who had constructive criticism i am going to do this cycle and for those of you who just decided to flame without any direction. F*ck you. If you think the cycle needs adjustment offer advice not bash me or flame. Your just condescending assh*les. Enough said. Some people deserved to be banned for flaming or just being idiotic. I hope you've ruined your reproductive system through steroids because God knows you don't need to reproduce. Flame on rodja and gerbil.
    You have yet to state why you think this cycle is a good idea for someone of your size and experience. IMO, you could get everything you need out of a 14-16 week E cycle with a Dbol kicker instead of shotgunning this cycle and hoping for the best.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  10. I think i will just run deca for 16 straight weeks. As far as switching from test base to sust base i have no real reason other than hoping the transition to a different compound at the 16 week mark will promote easier gains as opposed to upping test intake. Maybe it won't work, but I'm going to give it a go.

    Rodja, i want to start by saying i find you to be a very abrasive person, your communication skills hasn't left me desiring intelligence. My experience and stats are as follows: i have done several oral cycles, with blood test, i have done a 24 week cycle of test and deca before, found the gains in the first 16 weeks to be far superior to the last 8, which has a lot to do with why I'm switching compounds. My stats are deceiving, my stats where once 5'9" 130 lbs. I was super skinny. I did the natural thing and got up to around 165. Them did orals and hit 180 or so. Then did my 24 week cycle and got up to 215; then tore my labrum. I am currently at 175 a year out of gym with 6 months of it basically doing nothing but being in a sling. Then started running a ton because i couldn't lift... Unfortunately running = muscle loss (long distance running). So outside my penis size you need anything else?

  11. You obviously made this thread for input, so don't get your panties in a wad if someone disagrees or thinks your cycle is asinine, especially when you have no real reasoning as to why you think this cycle is a good idea for someone who is just getting back into the gym. What is the greatest fail is your switching from enanthate to sustanon thinking it's a different compound. While the esters are the same, they are still bound to testosterone and not some other anabolic. The ester has no intrinsic anabolic activity.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  12. Dude the reason people are flaming you is because your putting your body through a lot of abuse. Far more than is needed for the results you are looking for. You could honestly achieve your goals with half of the gear you are looking to take.
    But it's your choice and if you do run it run a log with it so we can see how it turns out for you.

  13. I will run a log with pictures before and every two weeks, blood results every 8 weeks, nutrition log, and workout log. I noticed a mistake in my inital posting my SUST pinning will be EOD for a week total of 750 mg so, 250 mg M/W/F. I have a question if the results im looking for could be achieved with half the gear I am taking; then I guess I will have no problems reaching my goal and then some, I have everything planned and accounted for as far as PCT and supports no one has argued that.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by ddrose21
    I will run a log with pictures before and every two weeks, blood results every 8 weeks, nutrition log, and workout log. I noticed a mistake in my inital posting my SUST pinning will be EOD for a week total of 750 mg so, 250 mg M/W/F. I have a question if the results im looking for could be achieved with half the gear I am taking; then I guess I will have no problems reaching my goal and then some, I have everything planned and accounted for as far as PCT and supports no one has argued that.
    With the sus you'll actually have to run it EOD not just M W F. By the time Monday comes around again the prop ester will be out of your system. Try Mon wed fri sun tues thurs sat then repeat.

  15. Yeah i know EOD just seemed simpler to abbreviate... Thought about ED not 100 percent sure yet.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by ddrose21
    Yeah i know EOD just seemed simpler to abbreviate... Thought about ED not 100 percent sure yet.
    ED would be better but that's a lot of pins man.

  17. Yeah i know I'm going to be sticking myself a hell of a lot

  18. Quote Originally Posted by ddrose21 View Post
    I will run a log with pictures before and every two weeks, blood results every 8 weeks, nutrition log, and workout log. I noticed a mistake in my inital posting my SUST pinning will be EOD for a week total of 750 mg so, 250 mg M/W/F. I have a question if the results im looking for could be achieved with half the gear I am taking; then I guess I will have no problems reaching my goal and then some, I have everything planned and accounted for as far as PCT and supports no one has argued that.
    There's no way to give a definitive yes or no to that since gains are never linear and it's more likely that you'll incur more side effects as a result of running that much gear. One thing that can be said is that it will not all be muscle and it'll take a hell of a toll on your body.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  19. I'm shooting for 60 pound gain, 40 plus keepable and muscle mass after pct. I'm okay with the fat gain I'll just cut after cycle. Should be exciting for everyone.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by ddrose21 View Post
    I'm shooting for 60 pound gain, 40 plus keepable and muscle mass after pct. I'm okay with the fat gain I'll just cut after cycle. Should be exciting for everyone.
    That's not going to happen. You brought up diminishing returns, so you have some idea of the concept, but to think you're going to build 40lbs of LBM in 24 weeks is far from realistic. Even 20-25 is pushing it as you will have a considerable increase in BP from the extra mass on your frame and your connective tissues will have problems keeping up. You've already torn a labrum, so you should know best that shooting too high too quickly can have catastrophic results.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  21. We will see, i will be training my connective tissue 3 times a week. HGH has been my friend . I think 30+ lbs lbm is extremely reasonable I'm posing it for for a little more.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by ddrose21 View Post
    We will see, i will be training my connective tissue 3 times a week. HGH has been my friend . I think 30+ lbs lbm is extremely reasonable I'm posing it for for a little more.
    The thing is that you can't train connective tissue. You can train the supporting/stabilizer muscle, but not the connective tissue itself.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys

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