My First PH Cycle, Cutting with Epistane

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  1. Week 3 Day 15 9/5
    Rest Day Weight:?

    Today, All I did was sleep. Went to bed the previous night at 2am, woke up at 2pm, went and ate, fell asleep at 5pm, woke up at 8pm.

    This screwed up my dosing but I got all 4 pills in with equal space between them. I had no negative side effects except my aggression is definitely elevated ALOT. I find myself getting pretty pissed off when I get into an argument with someone. Thank God I have a decent amount of self control because I felt like going psycho on their azzes.

    Another thing I noticed was while just sitting on the couch I got a random pump in my forearm. I thought it was pretty badass.


  2. Alright back up to current day again.

    Today, I didn't have a muscle group in mind that I for sure wanted to do. I knew I needed to work out the bis but that is a secondary workout for me so I decide to throw in chest as well.

    I had done chest 3 days earlier but before this workout. But before that chest workout (the one on sept. 3rd) I had done chest 4 days before doing chest again (aug. 30th). So I decided 3 days may have been enough and I experimented again.

    Started with decline dumbbells as usual and got up to 80lbs each hand. on the 6th rep my arms just gave out. So lesson learned, chest needs more recovery time. On barbell bench though I pumped out more reps with more weight than usual so that was cool.

    Biceps, like triceps, I am not going for a certain amount of reps or weight, I changed up my routine and am simply going for the pump.
    I did 3 supersets incorporating straight bar, cable curls, preacher curls, incline dumbbells, and incline bar. I'm keeping reps between 12 and 15 and really squeezing at the top. My best advice on getting a monster pump in your bis would be to lower the weight, say on cable curls, and lean a little bit forward, keep arms straight and shoulder length apart, then have arms not right by your side but a little bit back. When you curl, try as hard as you can to flex and pinch the muscle at the top of the curl. I'll do about 5 sets of 12 reps on these and after my forearms are rock hard and Its difficult to even move my fingers. I would definitely recommend giving them a try!
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  3. Btw, weight was 185 when I hit the scale at the gym. Guessing about a pound was from the protein shake I drank 30 minutes before.

    Either way, I'm losing burning fat like a monster and am keeping my weight the same (even going slightly up) so this stuff is working like a charm.

  4. 1. 4 weeks is a waste.
    2. forma is pointless as Epi does NOT aromatize. dont misunderstand, I like forma, but I personally would save it for a cycle with something that DOES aromatize...
    Log of EPIC by FRL - http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/202576-should-epic-frl.html

  5. Quote Originally Posted by StangBanger View Post
    1. 4 weeks is a waste.
    2. forma is pointless as Epi does NOT aromatize. dont misunderstand, I like forma, but I personally would save it for a cycle with something that DOES aromatize...
    I posted that I changed my cycle length to a minimum of 6 weeks.
    I also posted that I am using the Forma in PCT
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  6. Here are some before and after lift stats 2 weeks into cycle


    Decline DB Press

    Start: 70x8

    2 Weeks: 90x8


    DB Incline Press

    Start: 65x8

    2 Weeks: 75x8


    Squat

    Start: 230x6

    2 Weeks: 270x6


    DB SkullCrusher

    Start: 75x8

    2 Weeks: 85x8


    Tricep Cable Pulldown

    Start: 80x12

    2 Weeks: 130x12




    Strength is reaping the benefits of using a steroid, go figure.

    As for size, my chest is the most obvious place of visual improvement. As anyone who has been on a cycle, you will hear the recurring cliche "hey, you look bigger" and it is true in my case as well. Quads are also growing exponentially.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by STLJones View Post
    Here are some before and after lift stats 2 weeks into cycle


    Decline DB Press

    Start: 70x8

    2 Weeks: 90x8


    DB Incline Press

    Start: 65x8

    2 Weeks: 75x8


    Squat

    Start: 230x6

    2 Weeks: 270x6


    DB SkullCrusher

    Start: 75x8

    2 Weeks: 85x8


    Tricep Cable Pulldown

    Start: 80x12

    2 Weeks: 130x12




    Strength is reaping the benefits of using a steroid, go figure.

    As for size, my chest is the most obvious place of visual improvement. As anyone who has been on a cycle, you will hear the recurring cliche "hey, you look bigger" and it is true in my case as well. Quads are also growing exponentially.


    Sweet man...keep it up. I know what you mean ....chest is the first thing I noticed that started looking more 'full' so to speak ....and It seemed yesterday my forearm seemed pumped....like it was sort of difficult to bend my arm to brush my teeth and sh*t. Keep kicking a*s.

  8. Jesus bro. Thats pretty good strength for 2 weeks. Keep it up and keep on busting ass. Cant wait to start!

  9. Quote Originally Posted by STLJones View Post
    I posted that I changed my cycle length to a minimum of 6 weeks.
    I also posted that I am using the Forma in PCT
    forma in PCT - Mistake!!! Forma is suppresive there bud... its not for PCT use.
    Log of EPIC by FRL - http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/202576-should-epic-frl.html

  10. Quote Originally Posted by j05441 View Post
    Jesus bro. Thats pretty good strength for 2 weeks. Keep it up and keep on busting ass. Cant wait to start!
    Looking at his numbers he can claim to have been training for a long time but his weights proves he has NOT. These increases are NEWB Gains...

    what a waste.

    not hating just calling out the facts.
    Log of EPIC by FRL - http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/202576-should-epic-frl.html

  11. Quote Originally Posted by StangBanger View Post
    Looking at his numbers he can claim to have been training for a long time but his weights proves he has NOT. These increases are NEWB Gains...

    what a waste.

    not hating just calling out the facts.


    Your pretty annoying. Definitely a let down in a log. You should chime your 2 cents on posts with people asking questions rather then sharing their experiences.


    Not talking sh*t.....just stating the facts.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by epstaneman View Post
    Your pretty annoying. Definitely a let down in a log. You should chime your 2 cents on posts with people asking questions rather then sharing their experiences.


    Not talking sh*t.....just stating the facts.
    I was being helpful... re-read. but you are entitled to your opinion... good luck!
    Log of EPIC by FRL - http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/202576-should-epic-frl.html

  13. Quote Originally Posted by StangBanger View Post
    Looking at his numbers he can claim to have been training for a long time but his weights proves he has NOT. These increases are NEWB Gains...

    what a waste.

    not hating just calling out the facts.
    Yea bro, you got me all figured out. I'm sure you go to the same gym as I so you know all about my routine and how long I've lifted,

    Get real. I work my ass off in the gym on nearly a daily basis. Yea some of them may be "newb" gains, I'm doing new exercises and reaping the benefits, both strength and physique wise. I see you squat 315, Watch, I'll make a vid and match that on my next leg day for ya.

    If you want to view my log and comment, don't come here and say it's a waste. This isn't one of those "come in and talk ****" threads, Come here, critique (don't say 'this is a waste'), and gain knowledge from someone who is experimenting and trying out new things.

    Happy Friday to ya

  14. Quote Originally Posted by StangBanger View Post
    forma in PCT - Mistake!!! Forma is suppresive there bud... its not for PCT use.
    Here's the thing. Forma is an AI. I dont want my new awesome natural testosterone to be converted to estrogen. So throwing it in there isn't going to hurt.

    If it's not going to hurt, don't get on my case, AiiiiiGGGHT brahhh?

  15. Quote Originally Posted by STLJones View Post
    Yea bro, you got me all figured out. I'm sure you go to the same gym as I so you know all about my routine and how long I've lifted,

    Get real. I work my ass off in the gym on nearly a daily basis. Yea some of them may be "newb" gains, I'm doing new exercises and reaping the benefits, both strength and physique wise. I see you squat 315, Watch, I'll make a vid and match that on my next leg day for ya.

    If you want to view my log and comment, don't come here and say it's a waste. This isn't one of those "come in and talk ****" threads, Come here, critique (don't say 'this is a waste'), and gain knowledge from someone who is experimenting and trying out new things.

    Happy Friday to ya
    I squat more than 315... anyway... check out EPSTANEMAN's log... he is doing it right.

    new awesome natural testosterone? wtf are you talking about - further proving you dont know jack! sorry... really not trying to be negative but you keep proving you didnt do your homework here brah!

    Ultimately the goal is to make sure you do this right and dont screw yourself up, or waste money/product for no reason - thats all.
    Log of EPIC by FRL - http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/202576-should-epic-frl.html

  16. Quote Originally Posted by StangBanger View Post
    I squat more than 315... anyway... check out EPSTANEMAN's log... he is doing it right.

    new awesome natural testosterone? wtf are you talking about - further proving you dont know jack! sorry... really not trying to be negative but you keep proving you didnt do your homework here brah!

    Ultimately the goal is to make sure you do this right and dont screw yourself up, or waste money/product for no reason - thats all.
    Natural test, the test not being introduced to my body in pill form. When I'm off of the PH? Get it?

    Estrogen=No bueno, Forma Stanzol=keeps estrogen away (don't make me go into detail)

    I've been keeping up with his log, it's very good.

  17. Allllllright back day today. Back has always been tough for myself. I find it tough to really get a solid pump. But with a little research and googling, that quickly came to an end. I wanted a good back routine so why not copy one of the greatest, Jay Cutler.

    Here the video, I simply went through every exercise doing the same amount of sets, reps, and time between sets

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jeq2PJpawsI

    The whole workout took about 60 minutes and it's pretty insane. This was my second time to follow it and it definitely works. Lats got an amazing pump, back was bulging, and I felt big.

    Again, back pumps were there but not nearly as bad when doing legs. I'll try to put up some numbers when I find my damn log journal.

    Still at 40mg, but really considering bumping it up to 50mg on week 4. If anyone has any input on 50mg it would be appreciated (As long as its not "don't do it, bc idk why, just don't")

  18. Oh, and weight was at 184. Really starting to lean out, definitely losing alot of water weight as well.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by STLJones View Post
    Allllllright back day today. Back has always been tough for myself. I find it tough to really get a solid pump. But with a little research and googling, that quickly came to an end. I wanted a good back routine so why not copy one of the greatest, Jay Cutler.

    Here the video, I simply went through every exercise doing the same amount of sets, reps, and time between sets

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jeq2PJpawsI

    The whole workout took about 60 minutes and it's pretty insane. This was my second time to follow it and it definitely works. Lats got an amazing pump, back was bulging, and I felt big.

    Again, back pumps were there but not nearly as bad when doing legs. I'll try to put up some numbers when I find my damn log journal.

    Still at 40mg, but really considering bumping it up to 50mg on week 4. If anyone has any input on 50mg it would be appreciated (As long as its not "don't do it, bc idk why, just don't")



    Don't do it.




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    .just don't.

  20. Welp, been out of commission for a minute because FOOTBALL SEASON HAS BEGUN! ....and i run a sports bar so spare time this weekend has been scarce.... Anywho, I DESTROYED chest yesterday and hit ANOTHER PR. Also did a quick tricep session composed of nothing but supersets. I've been trying out this style for minute and it works very well. Weight has gone up to 186 now.... and this cycle is supposed to assist my cutting cycle.... So idk what the phuck is going on but I'm putting on some mean lean muscle. Quads are noticeably bigger and my girl is always like "show them your muscles baby" when her friends come around. I dont they can just admire through my clothes.

    Have had ABSOLUTELY ZERO sides (minus back pumps but wgaf), so starting week 4 I'm bumping it up to 50mg.

    On the eighth, I did legs but felt like **** and half assed them.



    Week 3, day 19 9/9

    Chest/Tris Weight:186

    Decline DB BP: 75x12, 90x7, 95x2(PR), 80x7

    Flat Bench: 135x12, 185x4, 155x8

    Incline DB BP/Incline Cable Flys: 60x10/30x10, 60x10/30x10, 60x10/30x8

    Another awesome pump in chest, probably one of the biggest so this stuff is definitely intensifying my workout. I've never had a spotter while working out and I felt as if I didnt, but now that im really getting up in weight on the decline db its a bitch just to carry them and get into place on the bench. I felt I could have easily gotten 4 more reps if I had a spot.

    Triceps went by great, I finished that muscle group in 30 minutes. This time around I supersetted straight bar pulldowns with the V bar pushdowns and overhead cable extensions with skullcrushers. I did 5 sets of each and ended things with a straight bar pushdown dropset. I was very strict with keeping rest periods between 30-45 seconds and this is what makes the workout a successful one

  21. Week 3, Day 20 9/10

    Shoulders/Traps Weight 184

    Shoulders

    DB Press:50x10, 50x10, 55x8, 55x10, (Dropset) 55x8/40x12/25x15

    Front DB Raises: 25x10 25x10 30x10 30x10

    Upright Rows: 75x10 75x10 85x10 85x8


    Traps

    DB Shrugs: 60x20 65x15 70x12

    Barbell Shrugs: 135x20 205x10 225x10 225x8



    Sides: None, no back pumps, still no acne, balls arent smaller, just massive gains in strength. Maybe some lethargy but its not a problem.




    I'm loving this stuff more every day. I'm increasing in size but more noticeably my strength is going thru the roof. I have heard people love and hate on IBE Epistane but I personally love the stuff and it was well worth the money.

    A common (and I mean nearly everyone) side effect from epistane is dry joints. Estrogen helps lubricate joints. Epistane does not aromatize into estrogen but natural test does. So here's my thing using a little bit of bro science- if my joints are still nice and lubed up, I still have a good amount of natural test in my body being converted into estrogen. We don't like estrogen. So starting week 4 (tomorrow) for the sake of this fun little experimental cycle, I'll be bumping it up to 50mg and let you fellas know how this goes.

    Only worries are that I will be out of IBE midway through week 4 and will have to switch over to RPN Havoc which is still epistane but has a different molecular structure. So..... I'll let you guys know how that turns out...........

  22. That's cool man. Your bro-science theory is full of it though. Epistane crushes estrogen. Your going to have some trace amounts of estrogen but it won't mean you'll have no dry joints because you have natural test being produced. It'll actually be shut down due to the artificial test your taking (epistane). Glad your not getting any bad sides. I'm loving the stuff too.



    Any pics so far on your cut?

  23. HAHAHAHA.... STL you just keep proving you dont know SH*T!!!! My natural test, estrogen cuz I dont haha. have dry hahaha joints... hahahaha...

    you sir are RETARDED.
    Log of EPIC by FRL - http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/202576-should-epic-frl.html

  24. Quote Originally Posted by StangBanger View Post
    HAHAHAHA.... STL you just keep proving you dont know SH*T!!!! My natural test, estrogen cuz I dont haha. have dry hahaha joints... hahahaha...

    you sir are RETARDED.


    tsk tsk tsk.......

  25. Quote Originally Posted by epstaneman View Post
    the artificial test your taking (epistane).
    epistane is NOT test in any way!! not artificial, not even a little bit!!! it crushes your natural test production but its NOT test in ANY way.

    man... the misinformation and lack of knowledge in this thread is overwhelming!

    I know I am a d*ck.... ya know, posting corrections and facts about PH's makes me a complete d*ck.... coolstorybro.
    Log of EPIC by FRL - http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/202576-should-epic-frl.html

  26. Quote Originally Posted by StangBanger View Post
    epistane is NOT test in any way!! not artificial, not even a little bit!!! it crushes your natural test production but its NOT test in ANY way.

    man... the misinformation and lack of knowledge in this thread is overwhelming!

    I know I am a d*ck.... ya know, posting corrections and facts about PH's makes me a complete d*ck.... coolstorybro.


    Epistane shuts down your test. It is NOT test. Actual test would be better. I WISH my epistane caps had test in them. Then I'd make even SWEETER gains.

  27. Quote Originally Posted by StangBanger View Post
    HAHAHAHA.... STL you just keep proving you dont know SH*T!!!! My natural test, estrogen cuz I dont haha. have dry hahaha joints... hahahaha...

    you sir are RETARDED.
    damn, lol, I'm deeply sorry I pissed you off at some point throughout my thread. I am glad that you feel the need to check up on me throughout your day though




    more importantly,



    http://www.myfacewhen.net/uploads/71...u-mad-thou.jpg




    How about some explaining how I'm wrong by assuming if estrogen assists in lubricating joints, and epistane gets rid of estrogen, why I shouldn't be skeptical that I could up my dosage to get rid of the possible estrogen that I have floating around my body?

    now now, try not to have another temper tantrum homie. ITS JUST THE INTERNET

  28. ANYWHO..............

    Yesterday was back day. I did the same routine as before only upping the weight on almost every exercise.

    Week 4 Day 22 50mg 9/12

    Weight: 183

    Lat Pull Down: 120x12 130x12 140x12 150x10

    Hammer Strength Rows: 60x12 90x12 90x10 90x12

    Cable Rows: 140x12 150x12 160x12 180x10

    Barbell Rows: 115x12 115x12 135x10

    T Bar Row: 100x12 110x12 120x10 120x10

    One Arm DB Rows: 75x10 85x10 90x10

    Incline DB Rows: 20x12 25x10 15x12 15x12

    5 Sets Low/High Cable Row superset

    St Leg Deadlift: 135x8 185x6 185x6 225x6 155x8 155x8

    Didn't feel anything different during this workout except my aggression is up along with the weight. 50mg does feel like a sweet spot. I feel like I'm 'on' something throughout the whole day now. I definitely get irritated easier.

  29. and AGAIN back up to date. Today was an unplanned rest date as I had too much **** on my plate to get to the gym.

    Tomorrow is legs.....

    Stangbanger: come back and creep on my numbers brah, you can bitch and moan about 'a retard' throwing up more weight.

  30. Allllllllright, leg day. I woke up feeling great, got my 8 hours, and was ready for a long session. I woke up with a few pimples on my face which is unusual because my face stays pretty consistently clear. My guess is 50mg is right sides start for myself. I had some coffee and a couple of Morning Star sausage patties. If you guys dont know about these pick some up at the store, they're great. Made from soy, no meat, and have 10g of protein, 3g of fat, 3g of carbs and only 80 cals per patty plus they taste awesome.

    Week 4 day 24 9/14

    Weight:182.5 50mg


    Squat: 185x6, 225x4, 225x4, 225x5, 285x4, 305x2, 185x8

    Deadlift: 185x10, 225x8, 265x6

    Decided to try out the FST-7 program for my last exercise. I hopped on the leg raise machine and pumped out 2 warm up sets of 15 then 7 sets of 12 with 30 seconds of rest between each set and good God did that induce a pump like no other. My legs were wrecked afterwards. I set the weight to where I would be right near failure after the 12th rep of each set and it worked wonders. I will definitely be trying this out again in future exercises.

    During dead lifts I got BAD back pumps. I called it quits on the 3rd set. After I was done I was dripping in sweat. This stuff is definitely turning my body into a water park. Its awesome.
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