My First PH Cycle, Cutting with Epistane

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  1. WEIGHT 182

    Decline Dumbbell BP:
    60x14
    70x10
    80x8
    90x6 (PR)
    90x6

    Incline/Cable Crossover SS:
    60x12/50x12
    70x7/50x10
    Had to stop here. Shoulder started acting up.

    Incline Cable Flys: 50x12, 50x12, 50x12, 50x12

    FINALLY, today I actually felt like I had something extra pumping through my veins. I woke up feeling great and aggressive. Today should have been legs but I tracked my days wrong and did chest. I looked back after my workout to see my previous numbers and it turns out I had done chest just 3 days prior to today. In that 3 days rest I recovered and pumped out 2 more reps and 5 more pounds on decline. On incline I know I could have gone so much heavier but my shoulder really started giving me trouble so I made the decision to stop. More than likely I will be doing chest twice a week instead of once.

    No side effects today. I felt irritated for about 3 hours after my workout but that's it. After this week I am considering bumping up dosage to 50mg. I want to make the most out of this cycle and my nuts aren't peanuts yet and I haven't had any acne problems.


  2. You said your already dropping fat?!?
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by j05441 View Post
    You said your already dropping fat?!?
    Well yea, I've been on a restricted calorie diet for about 3 weeks now and I lose body fat quickly anyways. The epistane is just putting everything into overdrive. If youre considering a PH I would highly recommend this stuff for cutting atleast.

  4. Fuuuaark the back pumps have started!!!! Damn they are seriously a bitch and to have them really start on leg day blocks cawk. Gonna start taking the taurine. Anyways, I still managed to have a decent leg workout. Was gonna go for 300 on squat those pumps just demolished my confidence. Stayed at 270 though.. I can seriously tell a difference in my workouts now. I'm recovering quicker between sets and exercises and even between workouts.

    I never made it clear when I was dosing the epistane. Once again, it is the IBE Epistane (white top, original stuff), and the dosing goes like so. 10mg right when I wake up, 10 mg ~3 hours later, 10mg post workout (around 6pm) 10mg before bed. I can not stress this enough, if you decide to take it before bed, drink about 50g of protein with the pill. For WHATEVER reason, I personally sleep so much deeper and wake up feeling stronger. So try it out and let me know what you think.

    So far only only sides are BaCk PuMpS ...............and feeling alpha as phuck. But onto the workout.

    Week 2 Day 14 9/3
    Legs/Tris Weight:182

    Squat:
    180x15
    180x15
    230x8
    250x8
    270x6
    270x6

    Straight Leg Deadlifts:
    45x10
    95x10
    135x8
    185x6
    185x6

    Leg Press:
    180x17
    360x12
    540x8
    540x8

    Joints started acting up on leg press so I decided to play it safe and not up the weight.

    Now with tris, I recently watched a Jay Cutler video about his theory on tris and it made sense to me. He doesnt really have a set amount of reps or exercise he does, he goes for feel and it helps him get a better pump. He does try to keep the reps between 12 and 15. I tried it out and it felt pretty good just going close to failure every set. I didnt keep up with the weight or reps but here are the exercises.

    Close Grip BP

    DB Skull crushers

    Straight bar underhand pull down

    V-grip pushdown

    I got a great pump very quickly then called it quits. I sweated my ass off today as well and loved every second of it

  5. Quote Originally Posted by STLJones View Post
    Fuuuaark the back pumps have started!!!! Damn they are seriously a bitch and to have them really start on leg day blocks cawk. Gonna start taking the taurine. Anyways, I still managed to have a decent leg workout. Was gonna go for 300 on squat those pumps just demolished my confidence. Stayed at 270 though.. I can seriously tell a difference in my workouts now. I'm recovering quicker between sets and exercises and even between workouts.

    I never made it clear when I was dosing the epistane. Once again, it is the IBE Epistane (white top, original stuff), and the dosing goes like so. 10mg right when I wake up, 10 mg ~3 hours later, 10mg post workout (around 6pm) 10mg before bed. I can not stress this enough, if you decide to take it before bed, drink about 50g of protein with the pill. For WHATEVER reason, I personally sleep so much deeper and wake up feeling stronger. So try it out and let me know what you think.

    So far only only sides are BaCk PuMpS ...............and feeling alpha as phuck. But onto the workout.

    Week 2 Day 14 9/3
    Legs/Tris Weight:182

    Squat:
    180x15
    180x15
    230x8
    250x8
    270x6
    270x6

    Straight Leg Deadlifts:
    45x10
    95x10
    135x8
    185x6
    185x6

    Leg Press:
    180x17
    360x12
    540x8
    540x8

    Joints started acting up on leg press so I decided to play it safe and not up the weight.

    Now with tris, I recently watched a Jay Cutler video about his theory on tris and it made sense to me. He doesnt really have a set amount of reps or exercise he does, he goes for feel and it helps him get a better pump. He does try to keep the reps between 12 and 15. I tried it out and it felt pretty good just going close to failure every set. I didnt keep up with the weight or reps but here are the exercises.

    Close Grip BP

    DB Skull crushers

    Straight bar underhand pull down

    V-grip pushdown

    I got a great pump very quickly then called it quits. I sweated my ass off today as well and loved every second of it


    Sounds like my tricep workout except I don't do straight bar underhand pull downs. I do a couple of other things too. I go pretty high volume.

    GO HARD OR GO HOME BABY!!!
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  6. Week 3 Day 15 9/5
    Rest Day Weight:?

    Today, All I did was sleep. Went to bed the previous night at 2am, woke up at 2pm, went and ate, fell asleep at 5pm, woke up at 8pm.

    This screwed up my dosing but I got all 4 pills in with equal space between them. I had no negative side effects except my aggression is definitely elevated ALOT. I find myself getting pretty pissed off when I get into an argument with someone. Thank God I have a decent amount of self control because I felt like going psycho on their azzes.

    Another thing I noticed was while just sitting on the couch I got a random pump in my forearm. I thought it was pretty badass.

  7. Alright back up to current day again.

    Today, I didn't have a muscle group in mind that I for sure wanted to do. I knew I needed to work out the bis but that is a secondary workout for me so I decide to throw in chest as well.

    I had done chest 3 days earlier but before this workout. But before that chest workout (the one on sept. 3rd) I had done chest 4 days before doing chest again (aug. 30th). So I decided 3 days may have been enough and I experimented again.

    Started with decline dumbbells as usual and got up to 80lbs each hand. on the 6th rep my arms just gave out. So lesson learned, chest needs more recovery time. On barbell bench though I pumped out more reps with more weight than usual so that was cool.

    Biceps, like triceps, I am not going for a certain amount of reps or weight, I changed up my routine and am simply going for the pump.
    I did 3 supersets incorporating straight bar, cable curls, preacher curls, incline dumbbells, and incline bar. I'm keeping reps between 12 and 15 and really squeezing at the top. My best advice on getting a monster pump in your bis would be to lower the weight, say on cable curls, and lean a little bit forward, keep arms straight and shoulder length apart, then have arms not right by your side but a little bit back. When you curl, try as hard as you can to flex and pinch the muscle at the top of the curl. I'll do about 5 sets of 12 reps on these and after my forearms are rock hard and Its difficult to even move my fingers. I would definitely recommend giving them a try!

  8. Btw, weight was 185 when I hit the scale at the gym. Guessing about a pound was from the protein shake I drank 30 minutes before.

    Either way, I'm losing burning fat like a monster and am keeping my weight the same (even going slightly up) so this stuff is working like a charm.

  9. 1. 4 weeks is a waste.
    2. forma is pointless as Epi does NOT aromatize. dont misunderstand, I like forma, but I personally would save it for a cycle with something that DOES aromatize...
    Log of EPIC by FRL - http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/202576-should-epic-frl.html

  10. Quote Originally Posted by StangBanger View Post
    1. 4 weeks is a waste.
    2. forma is pointless as Epi does NOT aromatize. dont misunderstand, I like forma, but I personally would save it for a cycle with something that DOES aromatize...
    I posted that I changed my cycle length to a minimum of 6 weeks.
    I also posted that I am using the Forma in PCT

  11. Here are some before and after lift stats 2 weeks into cycle


    Decline DB Press

    Start: 70x8

    2 Weeks: 90x8


    DB Incline Press

    Start: 65x8

    2 Weeks: 75x8


    Squat

    Start: 230x6

    2 Weeks: 270x6


    DB SkullCrusher

    Start: 75x8

    2 Weeks: 85x8


    Tricep Cable Pulldown

    Start: 80x12

    2 Weeks: 130x12




    Strength is reaping the benefits of using a steroid, go figure.

    As for size, my chest is the most obvious place of visual improvement. As anyone who has been on a cycle, you will hear the recurring cliche "hey, you look bigger" and it is true in my case as well. Quads are also growing exponentially.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by STLJones View Post
    Here are some before and after lift stats 2 weeks into cycle


    Decline DB Press

    Start: 70x8

    2 Weeks: 90x8


    DB Incline Press

    Start: 65x8

    2 Weeks: 75x8


    Squat

    Start: 230x6

    2 Weeks: 270x6


    DB SkullCrusher

    Start: 75x8

    2 Weeks: 85x8


    Tricep Cable Pulldown

    Start: 80x12

    2 Weeks: 130x12




    Strength is reaping the benefits of using a steroid, go figure.

    As for size, my chest is the most obvious place of visual improvement. As anyone who has been on a cycle, you will hear the recurring cliche "hey, you look bigger" and it is true in my case as well. Quads are also growing exponentially.


    Sweet man...keep it up. I know what you mean ....chest is the first thing I noticed that started looking more 'full' so to speak ....and It seemed yesterday my forearm seemed pumped....like it was sort of difficult to bend my arm to brush my teeth and sh*t. Keep kicking a*s.

  13. Jesus bro. Thats pretty good strength for 2 weeks. Keep it up and keep on busting ass. Cant wait to start!

  14. Quote Originally Posted by STLJones View Post
    I posted that I changed my cycle length to a minimum of 6 weeks.
    I also posted that I am using the Forma in PCT
    forma in PCT - Mistake!!! Forma is suppresive there bud... its not for PCT use.
    Log of EPIC by FRL - http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/202576-should-epic-frl.html

  15. Quote Originally Posted by j05441 View Post
    Jesus bro. Thats pretty good strength for 2 weeks. Keep it up and keep on busting ass. Cant wait to start!
    Looking at his numbers he can claim to have been training for a long time but his weights proves he has NOT. These increases are NEWB Gains...

    what a waste.

    not hating just calling out the facts.
    Log of EPIC by FRL - http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/202576-should-epic-frl.html

  16. Quote Originally Posted by StangBanger View Post
    Looking at his numbers he can claim to have been training for a long time but his weights proves he has NOT. These increases are NEWB Gains...

    what a waste.

    not hating just calling out the facts.


    Your pretty annoying. Definitely a let down in a log. You should chime your 2 cents on posts with people asking questions rather then sharing their experiences.


    Not talking sh*t.....just stating the facts.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by epstaneman View Post
    Your pretty annoying. Definitely a let down in a log. You should chime your 2 cents on posts with people asking questions rather then sharing their experiences.


    Not talking sh*t.....just stating the facts.
    I was being helpful... re-read. but you are entitled to your opinion... good luck!
    Log of EPIC by FRL - http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/202576-should-epic-frl.html

  18. Quote Originally Posted by StangBanger View Post
    Looking at his numbers he can claim to have been training for a long time but his weights proves he has NOT. These increases are NEWB Gains...

    what a waste.

    not hating just calling out the facts.
    Yea bro, you got me all figured out. I'm sure you go to the same gym as I so you know all about my routine and how long I've lifted,

    Get real. I work my ass off in the gym on nearly a daily basis. Yea some of them may be "newb" gains, I'm doing new exercises and reaping the benefits, both strength and physique wise. I see you squat 315, Watch, I'll make a vid and match that on my next leg day for ya.

    If you want to view my log and comment, don't come here and say it's a waste. This isn't one of those "come in and talk ****" threads, Come here, critique (don't say 'this is a waste'), and gain knowledge from someone who is experimenting and trying out new things.

    Happy Friday to ya

  19. Quote Originally Posted by StangBanger View Post
    forma in PCT - Mistake!!! Forma is suppresive there bud... its not for PCT use.
    Here's the thing. Forma is an AI. I dont want my new awesome natural testosterone to be converted to estrogen. So throwing it in there isn't going to hurt.

    If it's not going to hurt, don't get on my case, AiiiiiGGGHT brahhh?

  20. Quote Originally Posted by STLJones View Post
    Yea bro, you got me all figured out. I'm sure you go to the same gym as I so you know all about my routine and how long I've lifted,

    Get real. I work my ass off in the gym on nearly a daily basis. Yea some of them may be "newb" gains, I'm doing new exercises and reaping the benefits, both strength and physique wise. I see you squat 315, Watch, I'll make a vid and match that on my next leg day for ya.

    If you want to view my log and comment, don't come here and say it's a waste. This isn't one of those "come in and talk ****" threads, Come here, critique (don't say 'this is a waste'), and gain knowledge from someone who is experimenting and trying out new things.

    Happy Friday to ya
    I squat more than 315... anyway... check out EPSTANEMAN's log... he is doing it right.

    new awesome natural testosterone? wtf are you talking about - further proving you dont know jack! sorry... really not trying to be negative but you keep proving you didnt do your homework here brah!

    Ultimately the goal is to make sure you do this right and dont screw yourself up, or waste money/product for no reason - thats all.
    Log of EPIC by FRL - http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/202576-should-epic-frl.html

  21. Quote Originally Posted by StangBanger View Post
    I squat more than 315... anyway... check out EPSTANEMAN's log... he is doing it right.

    new awesome natural testosterone? wtf are you talking about - further proving you dont know jack! sorry... really not trying to be negative but you keep proving you didnt do your homework here brah!

    Ultimately the goal is to make sure you do this right and dont screw yourself up, or waste money/product for no reason - thats all.
    Natural test, the test not being introduced to my body in pill form. When I'm off of the PH? Get it?

    Estrogen=No bueno, Forma Stanzol=keeps estrogen away (don't make me go into detail)

    I've been keeping up with his log, it's very good.

  22. Allllllright back day today. Back has always been tough for myself. I find it tough to really get a solid pump. But with a little research and googling, that quickly came to an end. I wanted a good back routine so why not copy one of the greatest, Jay Cutler.

    Here the video, I simply went through every exercise doing the same amount of sets, reps, and time between sets

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jeq2PJpawsI

    The whole workout took about 60 minutes and it's pretty insane. This was my second time to follow it and it definitely works. Lats got an amazing pump, back was bulging, and I felt big.

    Again, back pumps were there but not nearly as bad when doing legs. I'll try to put up some numbers when I find my damn log journal.

    Still at 40mg, but really considering bumping it up to 50mg on week 4. If anyone has any input on 50mg it would be appreciated (As long as its not "don't do it, bc idk why, just don't")

  23. Oh, and weight was at 184. Really starting to lean out, definitely losing alot of water weight as well.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by STLJones View Post
    Allllllright back day today. Back has always been tough for myself. I find it tough to really get a solid pump. But with a little research and googling, that quickly came to an end. I wanted a good back routine so why not copy one of the greatest, Jay Cutler.

    Here the video, I simply went through every exercise doing the same amount of sets, reps, and time between sets

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jeq2PJpawsI

    The whole workout took about 60 minutes and it's pretty insane. This was my second time to follow it and it definitely works. Lats got an amazing pump, back was bulging, and I felt big.

    Again, back pumps were there but not nearly as bad when doing legs. I'll try to put up some numbers when I find my damn log journal.

    Still at 40mg, but really considering bumping it up to 50mg on week 4. If anyone has any input on 50mg it would be appreciated (As long as its not "don't do it, bc idk why, just don't")



    Don't do it.




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    .just don't.

  25. Welp, been out of commission for a minute because FOOTBALL SEASON HAS BEGUN! ....and i run a sports bar so spare time this weekend has been scarce.... Anywho, I DESTROYED chest yesterday and hit ANOTHER PR. Also did a quick tricep session composed of nothing but supersets. I've been trying out this style for minute and it works very well. Weight has gone up to 186 now.... and this cycle is supposed to assist my cutting cycle.... So idk what the phuck is going on but I'm putting on some mean lean muscle. Quads are noticeably bigger and my girl is always like "show them your muscles baby" when her friends come around. I dont they can just admire through my clothes.

    Have had ABSOLUTELY ZERO sides (minus back pumps but wgaf), so starting week 4 I'm bumping it up to 50mg.

    On the eighth, I did legs but felt like **** and half assed them.



    Week 3, day 19 9/9

    Chest/Tris Weight:186

    Decline DB BP: 75x12, 90x7, 95x2(PR), 80x7

    Flat Bench: 135x12, 185x4, 155x8

    Incline DB BP/Incline Cable Flys: 60x10/30x10, 60x10/30x10, 60x10/30x8

    Another awesome pump in chest, probably one of the biggest so this stuff is definitely intensifying my workout. I've never had a spotter while working out and I felt as if I didnt, but now that im really getting up in weight on the decline db its a bitch just to carry them and get into place on the bench. I felt I could have easily gotten 4 more reps if I had a spot.

    Triceps went by great, I finished that muscle group in 30 minutes. This time around I supersetted straight bar pulldowns with the V bar pushdowns and overhead cable extensions with skullcrushers. I did 5 sets of each and ended things with a straight bar pushdown dropset. I was very strict with keeping rest periods between 30-45 seconds and this is what makes the workout a successful one
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