Most Detailed Epistane Log -SH*T JUST GOT REAL!

[loafy777]

Nothing to go have a heart attack over, but considering I was just 3 weeks in.......it was pretty gay.

Your scientific analysis of things is what keeps me coming back to this thread.

I have pretty gnarly genetics in the kidney/liver arena, so hopefully I'll be able to give you some decent info when I finally start my cycle. Going to do initial screens and such, and had already ordered the Liv.52. You have me debating the Tudca for good measure.

Regardless, keep us posted and I'll do my best at reciprocating.

[threeFs]

You guys, why WOULDN'T you run Tudca & Liv52? Surely it can't be a money thing because Aegis is like $45 and liv52 is like less than $10. So for $50 you can have so much protection goodness.
There's a thread written by Brad Antaeus (the owner of Antiques labs, who makes Aegis tudca ) and though its a glorified advertisement for his product, it has studies that show liver values with and without tudca(not necessarily his Aegis, but tudca in general)
There should be no doubt in your minds after researching more about liver protection. Methylated compounds are designed with the addition of the Methyl to withstand being broken by the liver. Because of this however, the liver suffers while trying to tackle the methyl.
Don't fk around. Get tudca and liv52. Even nutraplanet has their tudca back (finally) and theirs is only like $30

[epstaneman]

You guys, why WOULDN'T you run Tudca & Liv52? Surely it can't be a money thing because Aegis is like $45 and liv52 is like less than $10. So for $50 you can have so much protection goodness.
There's a thread written by Brad Antaeus (the owner of Antiques labs, who makes Aegis tudca ) and though its a glorified advertisement for his product, it has studies that show liver values with and without tudca(not necessarily his Aegis, but tudca in general)
There should be no doubt in your minds after researching more about liver protection. Methylated compounds are designed with the addition of the Methyl to withstand being broken by the liver. Because of this however, the liver suffers while trying to tackle the methyl.
Don't fk around. Get tudca and liv52. Even nutraplanet has their tudca back (finally) and theirs is only like $30

..................YUP.

[epstaneman]

PCT WEEK 2: Well the last 2 days of week 2 my swollen lymph node came back. Left one under ear near jaw. So I was concerned about my liver. This mornings blood work show's my liver is doing GREAT! In fact....its recovered! LIV.52 IS THE SH*T!!! Highly recommend it. I always use it. Don't know why I didn't use it this time. Tsk tsk. You live...you learn...then you get mono from a cheating woman.


Been taking my cycle assist every day at rec dose along with 4 caps of liv.52. Starting this new week I will be lowering my Nolvadex from 20mg to 10mg. I will also introduce my AI 'Erase' at 3 caps a day. Going to get bloods done again in 2 weeks and see how the hormones are doing.


So far estrogen is now up to a healthy level but test levels are lagging behind. The DAA will improve that over time. In the mean time I'll be controlling my Estrogen and resting easy knowing my liver is doing fantastic. Almost makes me want to jump back on....o well...soon as my hormones are recovered though I'm back on! lol Might do the actual real sh*t next time.


On a side note....my swollen gland can be from ANY bacteria infection. Steroids weaken your immune system so it can be just about anything. One thought that crossed my mind is I have a cheating a*s woman who gave me mono. Hopefully it's not that though. Suppose I'm just bipolar and FUC*D in the head hahaha




Laterz guys. Here are the bloods.....

[threeFs]

Good to know your #'s are getting back to where they should be. Also good to see that Liv 52 is helping.

Were you fasting for your blood tests? If so, how long? I see your glucose is 89 which is why I asked

[epstaneman]

Good to know your #'s are getting back to where they should be. Also good to see that Liv 52 is helping.

Were you fasting for your blood tests? If so, how long? I see your glucose is 89 which is why I asked

Yes. A hormone panel requires a 12 hour fast. I was fasted.

[threeFs]

Hmmm my draw is at like 330 in the afternoon. Might be tough to workout fasted then go to work still fasted. Looks like I need to research more about how protein shakes affect hormonal blood tests. I thought fasting or not would only change glucose levels

[epstaneman]

Hmmm my draw is at like 330 in the afternoon. Might be tough to workout fasted then go to work still fasted. Looks like I need to research more about how protein shakes affect hormonal blood tests. I thought fasting or not would only change glucose levels

I don't know all too much about why or what changes effect blood taken in a fasted state. Because of that, I do it as directed to rule out all possible misreadings. That and I don't want to blow 50 bucks.


Just take a packed lunch to work or hit up a value menu. Eat while your driving to work.

[threeFs]

Its looking like i will only fast for about 8.5 hours. Think i will be OK with that? I will only have whey protein which gets processed pretty fast so I'm confident it should be OK. But again, could be totally wrong. Also, appt pushed back until tomorrow but I will let ya know

[epstaneman]

G'luck....

[ironwiz]

Which one is your estrogen levels mate?

[epstaneman]

Which one is your estrogen levels mate?

Estradiol. The whole hormone panel I have above consists of test, lh, fsh, and estradiol.

[epstaneman]

PCT WEEK 3:


At the end of week 2 during pct I started breaking out pretty bad. I had lots of acne on my face, and some on my back. It even broke out at spots I've never had acne at before like my forearms. I still have decent high levels of acne on my shoulders, arms, and face. It doesn't look like I got stung by a swarm of wasps or anything....just something I've noticed. It seems to have leveled out. It's still there but just hasn't gotten worse. I'm guessing it's from my estrogen coming back much quicker then my test. Either the case it's surely hormonal.
At the start of this new week, week 3, I have been taking a anti-biotic for whatever infection I may have. My swollen node was responding to SOMETHING, so hopefully this knocks it out. Taking 'Cephalexin 500mg' twice a day. We'll see how that go's. So far there hasn't been any other flare ups.

For this new week I'm now bringing my erase down from 3 caps a day to 2 caps a day. Going to get blood work done at the end of this week to see where everything's at. Everything else is still continued. Liv.52, AI Life Support, Nolvadex, and DAA.

[epstaneman]

PCT WEEK 4: Still have tiny pimples all on my shoulders, arms, and back. Nothing too crazy but I never had acne like this before. From what I've gathered reading it seems to be due to an influx of estrogen. On cycle it would be due to the skin producing more oil. The acne problem only came afterward though. Judging from my bloods my estrogen has been coming back quicker then my test so It makes seance. Finished 10 days of the anti biotics and no swollen lymph node. To be honest I don't even think it's a bacteria infection....I just think somethings stuck in my ear. The other day I felt some pain in the node area so it has to be non-bacteria related.
After week 3 I stopped taking the liv52. After week 4 (as its week 4 and 4 days into week 5 now) I have stopped taking the AI cycle support. I have not taken any creatine or pre-workout as planned during this pct. Nor have I taken a sh*t ton of fish oil as planned either. I haven't mentioned strength and size in any pct updates.....so far I have kept all my size and strength gains.

Here are my bloods after 4 weeks and 2 days of pct.





So everything is good and test levels are back to pre-cycle .....ALMOST ready to cycle again but my estrogen continued to increase. week 3 pct I used 3 caps of erase a day and week 4 I have used 2 caps a day. As you can see my estrogen is VERY high. I'm still going to continue dosing Nolva at 10mg a day to keep gyno at bay while bringing my estrogen back down.

Plans now are to discontinue the DAA and bring the erase back up to 3 caps a day. May even use some bit of formestanzol I have laying around as I'm starting to question the effectiveness of Erase. We'll see how it go's. In exactly one week from now I will be starting a 4 week cut to pre-pare for my next cycle so hopefully this estrogen can get in check by then.

[loafy777]

Good update. Keep the info coming. Glad to see that things are mostly in order.

[threeFs]

Updates, awesome
I'm wondering why the erase isn't doing its job. Look into arimidex because your estradiol is too high. Your body is converting lots of your test to estradiol. If you could block that with adex, your test would be even higher.
Do you have any high estradiol effects like mood swings, headache, hot flashes?

[epstaneman]

Updates, awesome
I'm wondering why the erase isn't doing its job. Look into arimidex because your estradiol is too high. Your body is converting lots of your test to estradiol. If you could block that with adex, your test would be even higher.
Do you have any high estradiol effects like mood swings, headache, hot flashes?

No. No estrogen side effects like mood swings and so forth. I guess you can count the acne a side effect from the estrogen but that's about it. I also think taking out the DAA will help bring down the estrogen on top of taking an AI. My chain of thought was thinking...well...maybe I'm producing TOO much test now and my body is converting allot of it to estrogen. Though I would need literature to back this up.....either the case my test levels are back to how they were BEFORE the cycle so I see no need to continue the DAA now.

Only thing I'm focused on now is bringing my estrogen down to a healthy level. I got both formestane AND formestaonzol lying around to use on top of the ERASE. Going to use that till my research chem gets in. Just ordered some arimadex.

[threeFs]

Good call. Your rats will do well on adex

[epstaneman]

heh.......rats.

[j05441]

Good update bro

Glad things are going well
Hows the workouts?