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    Another first cycle of SDROL Thread


    Looking for advice, here's my current plan:

    Precycle:
    CEL Assist - boost liver


    On Cycle:
    SDROL: 10/20/20mg ED
    CEL Assist ED
    Liv.52 ED


    Postcycle:
    CEL Assist ED
    Liv.52 ED
    Nolva 40/20/20/10mg ED

    Any advise is appreciated

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    Stats? experience with PH/DS/AAS?
    other than that, not too bad. i did SD @ 30mg/day for 4 weeks my first time, so a little more than you, and sides were minimal. what i did notice, however, is: 1) heavy-ass back/delt pumps that were not fun at all; 2) its a carb-hog, so eat the hell outta carbs 3) will shut you down. with "3", i did nolvadex and my libido fell harder than bricks. i prefer clomid, but that's your call. for the pumps, grab taurine, it does help a good amount. you wont notice much first week, but week 2, and especially week 3 you will go up like crazy.
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    I'm 6'3, 270ish with no PH/DS/AAS experience
    some stats
    flat bench: 250 20 reps
    incline: 225 20 reps
    Decline: 275 20 reps

    i've never maxed as I'm a loner in the gym. But i do have a partner jumping in the PH-experience with me.

    i've currently plateaued and i'm looking to get that extra jump PH can give me. I'm a fairly big guy, so i was thinking starting at 20mg but because of my experience, or lack of, should i stick with 10mg?

    From what i've researched, one should feel the effects the first day but the alpha or gym rat demeaner comes in around 3weeks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by James6911 View Post
    I'm 6'3, 270ish with no PH/DS/AAS experience
    some stats
    flat bench: 250 20 reps
    incline: 225 20 reps
    Decline: 275 20 reps

    i've never maxed as I'm a loner in the gym. But i do have a partner jumping in the PH-experience with me.

    i've currently plateaued and i'm looking to get that extra jump PH can give me. I'm a fairly big guy, so i was thinking starting at 20mg but because of my experience, or lack of, should i stick with 10mg?

    From what i've researched, one should feel the effects the first day but the alpha or gym rat demeaner comes in around 3weeks?
    With no previous PH exp i suggest you start with another PH and save this for down the road

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    Yes i've read SDrol is one of the more "potent" PH's out there, however i do not want to incorporate cycles into my routine at all. I am looking to take 1 cycle/year at most. Maybe i'm mistaken, but why skimp out on the superdrol? I've seen a few guys put on nearly 40lbs on this stuff, i've never asked what they started at/on as it's a sensitive subject.
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    You might wanna run an aromatase inhibitor during the sd and for pct. I know sd doesn't aromatize very much but you never know how your body will react. Better to have it on hand than not at all!

    I like aromasin.
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    Do you have any experience with Anastrozole? Sorry, i'm not to familiar with AI's as most of my research regarding SDrol has little mention of it. What dosage/symptoms would trigger AIs?

    Thank you
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    Quote Originally Posted by James6911 View Post
    Yes i've read SDrol is one of the more "potent" PH's out there, however i do not want to incorporate cycles into my routine at all. I am looking to take 1 cycle/year at most. Maybe i'm mistaken, but why skimp out on the superdrol? I've seen a few guys put on nearly 40lbs on this stuff, i've never asked what they started at/on as it's a sensitive subject.
    People on the boards will always, always be conservative when it comes to PH/AAS use, but for good reason. i started at 30/day for 33 days, you could do that too, which i'd recommend. but have your CEL cycle assist and liv care on hand. like Zero said, it may be a good idea, some people have had rebound gyno 6 months down the road. i myself have had gyno naturally since i was 12, and 9 years later stillhave it but enhancing has not made it worse. but again, to be conservative/safer, keep an AI like arimidex/aromasin on hand.

    arimidex: i do have some exp with it. i did it along with eq/test/deca, .33mg ED by doing 1mg E3D along side my shots. works well, i used liquid.
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    Awesome, my Nolva supplier does carry it so i'll pick up 30 grams. Were you using the CEL assist and Liv care on cycle or just post-cycle? I think my cycle's going to end on day 21 as many have said Superdrol is really only effective until then before gains start to plateau.
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    It would be wise to run your liver support products at least one week before the cycle and at least one week after pct.

    Usually I can tell if an oral is rocking my liver by the whites of my eyes. If they are slightly yellow it is a sign that your liver is taxed.

    I also drink a mana potion for my liver 3x a day. Regardless off or on cycle.
    2ounces apple cider vinegar with "mother"
    1ounce lemon juice
    Stevia if I want it sweet

    Put all that in a tall glass and add clean water. Drink 3x a day and your body will love you even more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by James6911 View Post
    Awesome, my Nolva supplier does carry it so i'll pick up 30 grams. Were you using the CEL assist and Liv care on cycle or just post-cycle? I think my cycle's going to end on day 21 as many have said Superdrol is really only effective until then before gains start to plateau.
    I strongly advise you to do a lot more research before you decide to run SD. A quick search will tell you that you should run CA during the cycle , as well as taurine for back pumps.

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    I'm not planning on running this cycle until i've fully researched the topic, so yes, you're right and i agree. Forgive my ignorance but what is CA?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zeroshens View Post
    It would be wise to run your liver support products at least one week before the cycle and at least one week after pct.

    Usually I can tell if an oral is rocking my liver by the whites of my eyes. If they are slightly yellow it is a sign that your liver is taxed.

    I also drink a mana potion for my liver 3x a day. Regardless off or on cycle.
    2ounces apple cider vinegar with "mother"
    1ounce lemon juice
    Stevia if I want it sweet

    Put all that in a tall glass and add clean water. Drink 3x a day and your body will love you even more.
    Mana potion, as in the energy drink google brings me with addition of apple vinegar and lemon juice? Or are you calling that apple vinegar and lime juice mixture "mana juice"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by James6911 View Post
    I'm not planning on running this cycle until i've fully researched the topic, so yes, you're right and i agree. Forgive my ignorance but what is CA?
    Cycle Assist- which will be your ON cycle supporting supps. Liver Assist XT would be good for post cycle liver support

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    No I call it a mana potion haha

    If you go to a health food store like whole foods they sell some apple cider vinegar by braggs. On the bottle is the same basic recipe.
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    1.) PH's or Pre-Hormone are synthetic chemical compounds that binds with active enzymes in your body to form a synthetic compound that will interact with the same receptors in the body that your natural test interacts with.

    2.) DS' or Designer Steroids are fully active compounds that interact with your test receptors without any reliance on your natural enzymes

    SD or Superdrol is a Designer Steroid, more specifically it is orally available Masteron. DHT based steroids will typically crush estrogen which can cause your estrogen receptors to increase sensitivity as they search for more E. Durring PCT as your natural T production comes back up some of that T will be converted to E and your over sensitive receptors will bind bind bind, potentially causing rebound gyno. A.I's are used to prevent this by binding to the free E in your body so that it cannot bind to the receptor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tansui
    1.) PH's or Pre-Hormone are synthetic chemical compounds that binds with active enzymes in your body to form a synthetic compound that will interact with the same receptors in the body that your natural test interacts with.

    2.) DS' or Designer Steroids are fully active compounds that interact with your test receptors without any reliance on your natural enzymes

    SD or Superdrol is a Designer Steroid, more specifically it is orally available Masteron. DHT based steroids will typically crush estrogen which can cause your estrogen receptors to increase sensitivity as they search for more E. Durring PCT as your natural T production comes back up some of that T will be converted to E and your over sensitive receptors will bind bind bind, potentially causing rebound gyno. A.I's are used to prevent this by binding to the free E in your body so that it cannot bind to the receptor.
    Would a natty t booster be warranted for this pct? Or any t booster at all? Forgive the Noob question
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    Quote Originally Posted by uvawahoowa View Post
    Would a natty t booster be warranted for this pct? Or any t booster at all? Forgive the Noob question
    just a natty for post? hell no, not by a long shot. you could do clomid and say D-aspartic acid, or clomid with say A-HD, but not just a natty by itself for this one, for halodrol, maybe yea, not superdrol.
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    SD is probably the most potent oral steroid on the market and you cannot expect to healthily recover without a SERM at minimum I would use an AI, and t booster also but weather you use a SERM is not optional.
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    ?? i have a serm on there, nolva...
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    Quote Originally Posted by James6911
    ?? i have a serm on there, nolva...
    Sorry I misunderstood, I thought you were asking if you could just run a T booster.

    I would absolutely run a natty t booster in conjunction with the SERM
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tansui

    Sorry I misunderstood, I thought you were asking if you could just run a T booster.

    I would absolutely run a natty t booster in conjunction with the SERM
    So SERM + natty t booster + natty ai + liver support = good pct for SD? Anything I'm missing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by James6911
    I'm 6'3, 270ish with no PH/DS/AAS experience
    some stats
    flat bench: 250 20 reps
    incline: 225 20 reps
    Decline: 275 20 reps
    Man you are a strong big guy!
    Just out of curiosity why are you using sd ? As u stated ur lifts, I don' t think you hit a plateau cause u said u don,t max out. And 270 is a lot of ****in weight? What is ur bf% ? I hope you are not trying to gain weight! Do you compete ? If you are trying to get lean than you would be better off not using sd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by uvawahoowa View Post
    So SERM + natty t booster + natty ai + liver support = good pct for SD? Anything I'm missing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tansui

    an anti catibolic/cortisol control
    Would erase/erase pro cover that? Or something stronger?
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    I'm at 12-10% bf, i don't compete but i photoshoot for various companies. I enjoy change in my workouts and lately that hasn't been happening. I'm going to start maxing within a few weeks, just had to get a gym partner in. I've seen plenty of people hurt themselves maxing so i've always avoided it.
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    Hey guys, i appreciate the feedback, however could you help me out on these abbreviations/acronyms? Like i said, i'm not quite familiar with the PH or AAS scene and just want to order/get my information correct.

    Natty T Booster i am assuming is Natural Testosterone Booster?
    What is Natty AI?
    And for liver boost i am assuming Liver 52 will work well?

    Precycle:
    Liver 52
    CEL Assist (4 Pills/day)

    On Cycle:
    CEL Assist (8 Pills/day)
    Liver 52
    SD 10/20/30 maybe a few days additional at 30 depending on BP/Gains
    Taurine Pills ED

    Post Cycle:
    Nolva 40/30/20/10
    Liver 52
    Anastrozole - on standby
    Creatine + Protein
    DAA - Test. Boost
    CEL Assist (4 Pills/day)

    Just curious, when you guys are on-cycle, how does your workout routine change? I'm reading people spending 4+ hours there with protein shake at the halfway mark, but what exactly are you guys doing in addition? For me, i generally do
    Day 1: Back, Legs
    Day 3: Bicep, Tricep
    Day 5: Chest, Shoulders

    And run and smaller workouts in between days. I generally spend 5-6 days at the gym with each session running close to 2.5 hours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by James6911 View Post
    Hey guys, i appreciate the feedback, however could you help me out on these abbreviations/acronyms? Like i said, i'm not quite familiar with the PH or AAS scene and just want to order/get my information correct.

    Natty T Booster i am assuming is Natural Testosterone Booster?
    What is Natty AI?
    And for liver boost i am assuming Liver 52 will work well?

    Precycle:
    Liver 52
    CEL Assist (4 Pills/day)

    On Cycle:
    CEL Assist (8 Pills/day)
    Liver 52
    SD 10/20/30 maybe a few days additional at 30 depending on BP/Gains
    Taurine Pills ED

    Post Cycle:
    Nolva 40/30/20/10
    Liver 52
    Anastrozole - on standby
    Creatine + Protein
    DAA - Test. Boost
    CEL Assist (4 Pills/day)

    Just curious, when you guys are on-cycle, how does your workout routine change? I'm reading people spending 4+ hours there with protein shake at the halfway mark, but what exactly are you guys doing in addition? For me, i generally do
    Day 1: Back, Legs
    Day 3: Bicep, Tricep
    Day 5: Chest, Shoulders

    And run and smaller workouts in between days. I generally spend 5-6 days at the gym with each session running close to 2.5 hours.
    do
    day 1: legs
    day 2: chest/back
    day 4: shoulders/traps
    day 5: arms
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    Fish oil for the joints 5g-10g/ed and I like to take 50mg of Zinc just before bed during pre-cycle and post cycle.


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    Ordered the following:
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    whole cycle's going to run me around 120... not bad considering i'm fully prepared.
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    I'm also about to run an SD cycle, for my second cycle though, and I'm wanting to use anastrozole in PCT for an AI(using nolva for SERM already have on hand). I have a source I can get 1mg caps from, just not sure how I should run it. Planning on running the nolva 40ed/20ed/20ed/20eod since I have 20mg caps. I'm guessing for anastrozole something like 1/1/2/2/2/1?
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    Yeah, from what i read, very low doses considering it is potent stuff.
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    Question, would a suicidal AI be better or worse for eliminating rebound gyno? Logically, it seems to be that a suicidal AI like ERASE would be better than a traditional AI like arimidex. Is this true or am I missing something?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mandime
    Question, would a suicidal AI be better or worse for eliminating rebound gyno? Logically, it seems to be that a suicidal AI like ERASE would be better than a traditional AI like arimidex. Is this true or am I missing something?
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    Just to further my knowledge, can you explain why that would be better? I am a novice and am trying to learn as much as possible on the subject.
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    Just completed single-rep maxes for bench,

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    Incline: 325*
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    *Yeah, my shoulder needs some working, i havn't seen much gain in them in a while so i'm going to go heavy when i start the cycle.
  

  
 

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