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    I did 8 weeks at 60mg/day. Honestly. Waste of money. I gained a few pounds and lost 3% body fat while sticking to my bulking diet. Should have added test enth at least. For the money I spent the results did not compare. Sex drive took a big hit. That being said everyone is different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrJuice
    I'm new to this forum, but not to AAS use. I plan on using this as a log for an Anavar only cycle. Please no flaming, its not needed here. I'm doing this to inform newbies, or anyone else interested, on the results and possible sides of Anavar (oxandrolone). I should be getting my gear sometime this week.

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    B/F 14% (14.6 but I'm being nice to myself haha)
    Weight training since 16 on and off, serious for last 7 months. May be too soon to cycle, but I'm doing it anyways.

    My plan is to drop bf % and maintain strength and hopefully add some good quality lean mass. Im not expecting to get huge, just a little more toned.

    I have to possible options to cycle this:

    OPTION 1
    Week 1-8 50mg ED split into 2 doses (25mg morning, 25 mg night)

    OPTION 2
    Week 1-6 75mg ED split into 3 doses (25mg morning, 25mg pre workout, 25mg night)

    Sups while on cycle:
    Creatine Monohydrate
    Whey protein
    Cassein Protein
    Multi V
    Fish Oils

    Planned Workout: (all sets are 15, 12, 10 reps)

    Monday: Chest and Biceps

    Flat Barbell Bench, 3 sets
    Incline Barbell bench, 2 sets
    Decline Barbell Bench, 3 sets
    Flys (Flat, Incline, Decline alternating every week) 3 sets
    Barbell Curls, 3 sets
    21s, 3 sets
    Hammer Curl, 3 sets
    Wheel Curl, 3 sets
    Cardio 15 mins (maybe longer if the var shin pumps arent that bad)
    Abs Machine, 3 sets
    Hanging leg raises, 3 sets

    Tuesday: Quads
    Leg extensions, 3 sets
    Lunges
    Squats, 3 sets
    Calf Raises, 3 sets
    Abs (same)

    Wednesday: Back

    Pulldowns, 3 sets
    Pulldown Behind Neck, 3 sets
    Seated Rows, 3 sets (Will try and alternate with bent over rows)
    Hyperextensions, 3 sets of 15 reps with 25lb plate
    Dumbell rows, 3 sets
    Dead Lifts, 3 sets
    Cardio 15 mins
    Abs

    Thursday: Shoulders and Triceps

    Seated Military Press, 3 sets
    lateral Raises, 3 sets
    Front Raises, 3 sets
    Reversed Flys, 3 sets
    Cable Shoulder Press, 3 sets
    Cable Laterals, 3 sets
    Tri Pulldowns, 3 sets
    Overhead Extensions, 3 sets
    Dips, 3 sets

    Friday: Hamstrings

    Lying leg curls, 3 sets
    Leg Press, 3 sets
    Single leg curl, 3 sets
    Calf Raises, 3 sets
    Seated Calf raises, 3 sets
    Abs

    SAT OFF

    SUN OFF

    I did it this way so i can train everything 2x a week without being too fatigued and i hate missing gym days, thats why theres no break.

    I will do before and after pics and hopefully update with a pic every week.

    My journey will begin by Friday hopefully!

    Thanks

    What about pct? Tell me your going to do a pct?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigShadow

    What about pct? Tell me your going to do a pct?
    U could probably go otc with this. But y take the chance
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    Quote Originally Posted by murk01

    U could probably go otc with this. But y take the chance
    Well he said earlier var won't shut u down. Which I think is bull. After 8 weeks even running only 50mg he will be shut down. A serm will be needed and he has nothing listed for pct. May want to look into clomid 100/50/50. May not need to start at 100 not sure on oral only cycles. But I'm sure the little mass you gain your going to want to keep as much as you can.
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    I have read the same. Anavar doesn't require pct. I don't believe. It ether
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigShadow

    What about pct? Tell me your going to do a pct?
    Sorry I didn't mention it. Yes I am doing a PCT. I have nolva and im doing 40/20/20 which should be good especially since var DOESN'T hit you as hard. It will suppress your natty levels but won't completely shut you down. Everyone is different but I've never heard of anyone's natty test being 100% suppressed on a var only cycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoadMapFire
    I did 8 weeks at 60mg/day. Honestly. Waste of money. I gained a few pounds and lost 3% body fat while sticking to my bulking diet. Should have added test enth at least. For the money I spent the results did not compare. Sex drive took a big hit. That being said everyone is different.
    I'll be satisfied with my results if I can drop 3% body fat. I'm just looking to be more toned and increase my strength. With my strength increase, I'll be able to build muscle even after the cycle is over. Anavar gains are supposed to be permanent so if that's true, increased strength=increased mass. That's just my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sae2110
    Also, been looking at compounds for a first trip to the dark side, hear good things about anavar, will be following thus. And by good things, i meant minimal water gain, but good strength gains, which is my primary interest.
    I'm not sure there is any water gain haha. Everything is lean solid muscle. It doesn't come quickly though as var is a slow acting compound. But if it's your first cycle ever, you should run a Test only cycle.
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    I'm in. Looking to try var come spring
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    I'm in. Looking to try var come spring
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    subb'd hope you get shredded mate! if i was gonna cut with aas id go with test e/primo/anavar, but since im the epitome of ectomorph i just get on the ol' albuterol + ostarine train and im under 10%, id be interested in seeing just how effective a var only cycle works though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkubaSteve89
    subb'd hope you get shredded mate! if i was gonna cut with aas id go with test e/primo/anavar, but since im the epitome of ectomorph i just get on the ol' albuterol + ostarine train and im under 10%, id be interested in seeing just how effective a var only cycle works though.
    Test/primo/var would make you absolutely shredded!! I'll probably do that sometime next year for my next cutting cycle. Im just looking for strength and dropping some bf. im at 14.6 so hopefully I can be around 11-12% by the end of this cycle. Thanks for joining me bro
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    Quote Originally Posted by halfhuman
    I'm in. Looking to try var come spring
    Thanks for joining bro!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrJuice View Post
    Test/primo/var would make you absolutely shredded!! I'll probably do that sometime next year for my next cutting cycle. Im just looking for strength and dropping some bf. im at 14.6 so hopefully I can be around 11-12% by the end of this cycle. Thanks for joining me bro
    yeah dude a mate of mine got contest ready with the following cycle:
    Test E: 500mg p/wk week 1-12
    Primo: 500mg p/wk week 1-12
    Anavar: 50mg p/wk week 7-14
    A-Bombs: 50mg ED week 1-4

    he also had hcg and arimidex, and then for pct did torem nolva clen and S4 - pricey + id imagine his liver would be a bit hurt but he got down to 4% bf, he came first at the 2010 Junior Nationals in Australia and he looked like he gained a bit of beef as well, so maybe for ur next cycle u could do something like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkubaSteve89 View Post
    yeah dude a mate of mine got contest ready with the following cycle:
    Test E: 500mg p/wk week 1-12
    Primo: 500mg p/wk week 1-12
    Anavar: 50mg p/wk week 7-14
    A-Bombs: 50mg ED week 1-4

    he also had hcg and arimidex, and then for pct did torem nolva clen and S4 - pricey + id imagine his liver would be a bit hurt but he got down to 4% bf, he came first at the 2010 Junior Nationals in Australia and he looked like he gained a bit of beef as well, so maybe for ur next cycle u could do something like that.
    4% is insane bro! Ill definitely look into that
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrJuice

    I'm not sure there is any water gain haha. Everything is lean solid muscle. It doesn't come quickly though as var is a slow acting compound. But if it's your first cycle ever, you should run a Test only cycle.
    True true... Test is best! (from what I read on here)
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrJuice

    Sorry I didn't mention it. Yes I am doing a PCT. I have nolva and im doing 40/20/20 which should be good especially since var DOESN'T hit you as hard. It will suppress your natty levels but won't completely shut you down. Everyone is different but I've never heard of anyone's natty test being 100% suppressed on a var only cycle.
    Hate to tell you but it's an anabolic steroid. There is mild suppression and there's shutdown. An 8 week cycle even at 50mg will shut u down completely. Look at this study if you want. This study was done for only 5 days with a dose of only 15mg. There free test levels were at 490 I think if I remember right after 5 days 98.
    8 weeks =shutdown.

    http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/84/8/2705


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    [QUOTE="BigShadow"]

    Hate to tell you but it's an anabolic steroid. There is mild suppression and there's shutdown. An 8 week cycle even at 50mg will shut u down completely. Look at this study if you want. This study was done for only 5 days with a dose of only 15mg. There free test levels were at 490 I think if I remember right after 5 days 98.
    8 weeks =shutdown.


    I'm not going to argue with you. I know it's an AAS. But everyone is different. What's for sure is that it doesn't hit as hard as other anabolics so depending on the person, it will not FULLY suppress natty test. I'm using this thread for a log, not a debate. Plus I'm taking a PCT so it doesn't matter.
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    Today's weight: 191.7

    Missed the gym because I had to babysit my nephew. The bowel related sides are gone along with the tiredness. I'm seeing veins a lot more now but they aren't bulging. It's as if my skin is thinning or something. The veins that pop out while I work out are starting to bulge just because. Muscles feel a little bit harder. So far do good I guess. I'll see if I can hit the gym later and update.
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    Not trying to argue with you bro, hope your cycle goes good!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigShadow
    Not trying to argue with you bro, hope your cycle goes good!
    Thanks bro! I hope so too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrJuice View Post
    4% is insane bro! Ill definitely look into that
    yeah especially at his 118kg's 4% bf is a bit on the impressive side :P
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    Okay guys, today is the day I might or might not join the dark side and here is the lowdown:

    -I JUST want to reach 5-8% BF after doing a var only cycle. I don't care about LBM gains, I'm already loaded with muscles all natty.
    -I'm gona start at 20mg/day and bump that to 30mg/day for 6 weeks.
    -For PCT, I'm following mrjuice's 40/20/20 on nolvadex.

    My questions are:
    -Will I hit my target bodyfat% (5-8%) on this ?
    -Will I get that vascularity and muscle hardness people claim they've gotten ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BTBBC
    Okay guys, today is the day I might or might not join the dark side and here is the lowdown:

    -I JUST want to reach 5-8% BF after doing a var only cycle. I don't care about LBM gains, I'm already loaded with muscles all natty.
    -I'm gona start at 20mg/day and bump that to 30mg/day for 6 weeks.
    -For PCT, I'm following mrjuice's 40/20/20 on nolvadex.

    My questions are:
    -Will I hit my target bodyfat% (5-8%) on this ?
    -Will I get that vascularity and muscle hardness people claim they've gotten ?
    Personally I'd do 60mg. I'm only doing 50mg because I have 50mg caps. From 30mg, I wouldn't know what you'd get. Maybe vascularity but I don't know about hardness or getting to your bf goal.
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    Okay guys week one is complete! Typo the other day when I said day 6....

    Today's weight: 192.7

    Workout went great! I'm continuing to see strength gains. But I'm questioning if my var is really var because strength gains usually come around week 2? I don't know. Machines were all backed up so I stuck with free weights today.

    BICEPS:
    Ez Bar preacher curls
    -65 lbs x 10 (easy)
    -75 lbs x 10 (easy)
    -85 lbs x 10 (moderate)

    Hammer curl
    -25 lbs x 10
    -2 sets 40 lbs x 10

    Wheel Curl
    -25 lbs x 10
    -40 lbs x 10 (2 sets)

    21s (cables)
    -37.5 lbs x 21
    -50 lbs x 21

    Isolation incline bis
    -70 lbs x 10
    -80 lbs x 10
    -90 lbs x 6


    TRICEPS:
    Dumbell Extension (never done these before)
    -70 lbs x 10 (easy-moderate)
    -75 lbs x 10 (moderate-hard)
    -90 lbs x 5 (hard)

    Single Tricep extension
    -40 lbs x 10 (2 sets, easy)

    Rope pulldowns
    -50 lbs x 10
    -65 lbs x 10

    Overhead rope extension
    -50 lbs x 10
    -57.5 lbs x 10
    -65 lbs x 10

    Bar pulldowns
    -50 lbs x 10
    -57 lbs x 10

    Dips
    -body weight x 10


    Not much of a workout because my partner rushed me -_-

    Notes-
    Vascularity is pretty good! Bicep veins were bigger and bulging more than usual. Some new forearm veins bulged during the workout. Not tired after dosage. I'm starting to like this cycle. Hope to see even more in the next 7 weeks. Try and update tomorrows workout
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    Anavar from my understanding is a straight cutter. Not meant for high strength gain or muscle mass. Maybe a few lbs but nothing drastic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by halfhuman
    Anavar from my understanding is a straight cutter. Not meant for high strength gain or muscle mass. Maybe a few lbs but nothing drastic.
    It is a cutter but you still get good strength gains. People can add 40-60lbs to their bench press which is pretty good. Anything you gain is solid lean mass but yeah, only a few pounds. If you would've read my previous posts, my goals are to tone up and add some extra strength.
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    How about pumps? Does var do anything to increase pumps?
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    MrJuice bro, can you explain to me what exactly nolvadex is used for ?

    I mean, how does take away the "shutdown" caused by var ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BTBBC
    MrJuice bro, can you explain to me what exactly nolvadex is used for ?

    I mean, how does take away the "shutdown" caused by var ?
    Chemical athletes use SERMs because they raise the testosterone level. One of the ways that the body monitors its own production of sex hormones is by keeping an eye on the concentration of estradiol in the blood. If it gets too high then sex hormone production is reduced - including the production of testosterone. Because the control mechanisms make use of estradiol receptors, SERMs crank up testosterone production. That's why chemical athletes use substances like tamoxifen after taking a course of steroids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by murk01
    How about pumps? Does var do anything to increase pumps?
    Yes! Sorry I forgot to mention that earlier in my notes and my Internet went out when I tried posting. Great pump today! My arms felt great! Nothing beats a great pump and vascular arms haha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by howwedo107

    Chemical athletes use SERMs because they raise the testosterone level. One of the ways that the body monitors its own production of sex hormones is by keeping an eye on the concentration of estradiol in the blood. If it gets too high then sex hormone production is reduced - including the production of testosterone. Because the control mechanisms make use of estradiol receptors, SERMs crank up testosterone production. That's why chemical athletes use substances like tamoxifen after taking a course of steroids.
    This^ Great post bro. I was just gonna say it helps raise test levels after shutdown haha. You got all fancy haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by howwedo107 View Post
    Chemical athletes use SERMs because they raise the testosterone level. One of the ways that the body monitors its own production of sex hormones is by keeping an eye on the concentration of estradiol in the blood. If it gets too high then sex hormone production is reduced - including the production of testosterone. Because the control mechanisms make use of estradiol receptors, SERMs crank up testosterone production. That's why chemical athletes use substances like tamoxifen after taking a course of steroids.
    So nolvadex is considered to be a SERM ?

    EDIT: nolvadex = tamoxifen. Thanks for the elaborate answer!
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    Well I cut today's leg workout super short due to possible hernia. I'm seeing the doctor tomorrow and will let you guys know.
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    Ohhh man that sucks
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    Quote Originally Posted by halfhuman
    Ohhh man that sucks
    Hell yeah it does! If I do then I'm gonna cut out leg days and dead lifts. Everything else is fine
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    Quote Originally Posted by packers6211
    Oh no bro I hope it's nothing like that get it check and give us updates!! Good workout btw.
    I'm at the doctors right now waiting to be called. I'll let you guys know!!
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