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    Quote Originally Posted by LiveToLift
    From a look at your diet, I would assume lack of protein could be an issue. You should be getting 225 at least a day at your body weight to add size.... Drinking at least a gallon-2 gallons of water a day? Carbs are pretty low if you are trying to bulk also. Eat. Eat. Eat.
    For real? I thought my protein was decent and my carbs were good too. But that was on a weekend where I normally eat more during a weekday. I could track tomorrow too as well.

    But regardless of that, wouldn't you agree that I should absolutely be seeing results? Like I said I've always been a little bit more immune to things that go into my body than my friends, whether it's pills, alcohol, medication, etc. I'm really eager to bump it to 100. It's totally killing my motivation.

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    On a side note, my log is intended to be more of a before and after type of thing. Just so everyone knows. I know most people log every workout and stuff (and I do, on my phone) but that's not what my intentions are.

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    solid cycle man
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    I agree with the others. Eat more. Force feed if you gotta. Bulking is alot harder then cutting. Especially for smaller dude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NewYorkGiants View Post
    For real? I thought my protein was decent and my carbs were good too. But that was on a weekend where I normally eat more during a weekday. I could track tomorrow too as well.

    But regardless of that, wouldn't you agree that I should absolutely be seeing results? Like I said I've always been a little bit more immune to things that go into my body than my friends, whether it's pills, alcohol, medication, etc. I'm really eager to bump it to 100. It's totally killing my motivation.

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    On a side note, my log is intended to be more of a before and after type of thing. Just so everyone knows. I know most people log every workout and stuff (and I do, on my phone) but that's not what my intentions are.
    The golden rule for body building is 1.5 g protein per body weight pound. For you it would be over 240 every day. Carbs on a bulk easily go over 300, cant remember are you flat out bulking or what is your main objective?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LiveToLift

    The golden rule for body building is 1.5 g protein per body weight pound. For you it would be over 240 every day. Carbs on a bulk easily go over 300, cant remember are you flat out bulking or what is your main objective?
    1.5+++++ don't you think that's on the low end Lift... I've read in the numbers of 2 to 2.5 depending on body type, etc...
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    I've always heard 1.5+, I forgot to add "at least" in that statement. Point was taken either way I'm sure. In any case you are not eating enough protein bud!! Was there a seal on your bottles when you got them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LiveToLift

    The golden rule for body building is 1.5 g protein per body weight pound. For you it would be over 240 every day. Carbs on a bulk easily go over 300, cant remember are you flat out bulking or what is your main objective?
    My goal was to bulk, but without putting on too much fat, because summers coming up. So I guess you can say bulk/recomp. But again, wouldn't I feel sides? I don't feel shut down one bit, I feel normally horny lol. I have not been getting any cramps, and pumps, or any increased strength in the gym.

    Today I bumped up to 100. No other choice really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NewYorkGiants View Post
    My goal was to bulk, but without putting on too much fat, because summers coming up. So I guess you can say bulk/recomp. But again, wouldn't I feel sides? I don't feel shut down one bit, I feel normally horny lol. I have not been getting any cramps, and pumps, or any increased strength in the gym.

    Today I bumped up to 100. No other choice really.
    Some people don't get shutdown too bad from hdrol. I usually feel shutdown pretty quick on anything though. How many days total have you been on? Definitely up your diet though man. Just because you up your protein doesn't mean you up your calories or fat. Look at the nutritional on tuna, it is nearly all protein with no fat or carbs. I eat it straight out of the can or bag to make up protein deficit. I am surprised you don't feel anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LiveToLift
    I've always hear 1.5+, I forgot to add "at least" in that statement. Point was taken either way I'm sure. In any case you are not eating enough protein bud!! Was there a seal on your bottles when you got them?
    I'll start eating a few cans of tuna a day. And yea the seal was legit, the stamp was legit, the seller was legit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NewYorkGiants

    I'll start eating a few cans of tuna a day. And yea the seal was legit, the stamp was legit, the seller was legit.
    Eat eat eat bro lots of people think they will get big n strong by getting on gear but it wont do anything unless u eat big chicken beef fish and carbs will be your friend along with fats
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    Quote Originally Posted by NewYorkGiants

    My goal was to bulk, but without putting on too much fat, because summers coming up. So I guess you can say bulk/recomp. But again, wouldn't I feel sides? I don't feel shut down one bit, I feel normally horny lol. I have not been getting any cramps, and pumps, or any increased strength in the gym.

    Today I bumped up to 100. No other choice really.
    Bulking and recomp are 2 totally different things. Recomp is eating basically maintenance calories while bulking is high protein and high carbs with several cheat meals during the week. If you are recomping your gains will be slower.

    IMO your physique is very lean to begin with and i suspect that you are young since you wouldn't disclose your age. So why worry about a little fat? You have the physique that could put on a lot of lean muscle but you are not eating nearly enough. Also IMO everyone talks protein but carbs IMO are just as important. Eat clean but eat big if you start to see yourself spilling over then cut out some carbs. Your protein should be around 300 grams a day. You can over eat on protein as well and extras do get stored as fat but if you train hard eat like a horse and grow baby grow you should get very good results. We have a very similar physique I looked almost exactly the same size as you and it took me a long time to figure out I wasn't eating nearly enough good carbs and pro. Throw in some cheat meals eat till your sick then eat some more. I promise u this is your problem!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigShadow

    Bulking and recomp are 2 totally different things. Recomp is eating basically maintenance calories while bulking is high protein and high carbs with several cheat meals during the week. If you are recomping your gains will be slower.

    IMO your physique is very lean to begin with and i suspect that you are young since you wouldn't disclose your age. So why worry about a little fat? You have the physique that could put on a lot of lean muscle but you are not eating nearly enough. Also IMO everyone talks protein but carbs IMO are just as important. Eat clean but eat big if you start to see yourself spilling over then cut out some carbs. Your protein should be around 300 grams a day. You can over eat on protein as well and extras do get stored as fat but if you train hard eat like a horse and grow baby grow you should get very good results. We have a very similar physique I looked almost exactly the same size as you and it took me a long time to figure out I wasn't eating nearly enough good carbs and pro. Throw in some cheat meals eat till your sick then eat some more. I promise u this is your problem!
    If i could, i wouls rep this but im on phone app.

    Everyone talks worlds about protein and how u need x amount to gain muscle. But they forget carbs are equally important at least. If u dont eat sufficient carbs; guess wut. Your brain and organs are more important than muscles, so all that protein gets turned into glucose for energy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThunderHumper View Post
    If i could, i wouls rep this but im on phone app.

    Everyone talks worlds about protein and how u need x amount to gain muscle. But they forget carbs are equally important at least. If u dont eat sufficient carbs; guess wut. Your brain and organs are more important than muscles, so all that protein gets turned into glucose for energy.
    Carbs are very necessary to put on a lot of weight quick and can be used good in bulks. As long as you don't mind adding some dirty weight while doing so. After cycling dirty for a few cycles I finally realized its much more fun to gain less weight on cycle and have a way better chance of keeping it and being shredded. Not dogging carbs one bit as it helped me through a two year bulk, just don't get the idea that its okay to run huge amounts of carbs every day of the week, much better to do carb cycling. Just my two cents, I never had abs until I learned this lesson though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThunderHumper

    If i could, i wouls rep this but im on phone app.

    Everyone talks worlds about protein and how u need x amount to gain muscle. But they forget carbs are equally important at least. If u dont eat sufficient carbs; guess wut. Your brain and organs are more important than muscles, so all that protein gets turned into glucose for energy.
    Thanks for rep. And we are def on the same page. If pro was king carbs would be queen! Haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by LiveToLift

    Carbs are very necessary to put on a lot of weight quick and can be used good in bulks. As long as you don't mind adding some dirty weight while doing so. After cycling dirty for a few cycles I finally realized its much more fun to gain less weight on cycle and have a way better chance of keeping it and being shredded. Not dogging carbs one bit as it helped me through a two year bulk, just don't get the idea that its okay to run huge amounts of carbs every day of the week, much better to do carb cycling. Just my two cents, I never had abs until I learned this lesson though.
    I get what your saying but on the same token if you know your body you should be able to adjust accordingly. IMO the time table on ingesting large amount of carbs is more of a key point then necessarily amount of intake. When u say cycle carbs are u talking a drastic dip day to day ie off days less carbs? Or are u talking timetable as I've stated. Early morning to stop cortisol post workout etc?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LiveToLift

    Carbs are very necessary to put on a lot of weight quick and can be used good in bulks. As long as you don't mind adding some dirty weight while doing so. After cycling dirty for a few cycles I finally realized its much more fun to gain less weight on cycle and have a way better chance of keeping it and being shredded. Not dogging carbs one bit as it helped me through a two year bulk, just don't get the idea that its okay to run huge amounts of carbs every day of the week, much better to do carb cycling. Just my two cents, I never had abs until I learned this lesson though.
    I didnt mean carbs are important so dirty bulk. I was going more for needing carbs in order to grow. U wont get far with no carb, high protein diets unless youre aiming for a cut. But a lot of people make this mistake their first time and only care about protein and completel disregard carbs.

    Moral : u need carbs to grow, but u dont need to dirty bulk with massive amounts of carbs
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThunderHumper

    I didnt mean carbs are important so dirty bulk. I was going more for needing carbs in order to grow. U wont get far with no carb, high protein diets unless youre aiming for a cut. But a lot of people make this mistake their first time and only care about protein and completel disregard carbs.

    Moral : u need carbs to grow, but u dont need to dirty bulk with massive amounts of carbs
    Well said. Is an entire large pizza with 200 gr of carbs 110 gr of pro and 35 gr of fat (1840 calories) considered a dirty bulk? Lol I eat that post workout once a week and my body seems to just eat it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigShadow

    Well said. Is an entire large pizza with 200 gr of carbs 110 gr of pro and 35 gr of fat (1840 calories) considered a dirty bulk? Lol I eat that post workout once a week and my body seems to just eat it up.
    I really consider a dirty bulk as eating way above maintenance to gain weight fast. So i guess thats not dirty till u eat 2 with half a gallon of milk lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by NewYorkGiants View Post
    My goal was to bulk, but without putting on too much fat, because summers coming up. So I guess you can say bulk/recomp. But again, wouldn't I feel sides? I don't feel shut down one bit, I feel normally horny lol. I have not been getting any cramps, and pumps, or any increased strength in the gym.

    Today I bumped up to 100. No other choice really.
    Carbs are looking better. Up the protein some. This is where protein shakes may help out with increasing your intake. You need to be eating about a 1 1/2 of meat a day and two 50 gram protein shakes a day. You need to break 200 grams of protein for sure 250 is better.

    Bottom Line: You can increase your dose to 300 if you wanted. Not recommended. Testosterone (Hdrol) is only the messager telling the body what to do, build muscle. If you don't have the materials (protein, carbs, fats) you cant build new cells out of nothing. Its impossible. The diet is the foundation of your cycle not the Hdrol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush_XIII

    If you don't have the materials (protein, carbs, fats) you cant build new cells out of nothing. Its impossible. The diet is the foundation of your cycle not the Hdrol.
    Well yes and no... Only protein builds body tissue
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    Quote Originally Posted by threeFs

    Well yes and no... Only protein builds body tissue
    Not if theres not enough energy. Brain and organs come before muscle ,so that protein goes bye by if caloies arnt met
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThunderHumper

    Not if theres not enough energy. Brain and organs come before muscle ,so that protein goes bye by if caloies arnt met
    Well you're correct, however I wasn't talking about calorie surplus or deficiency. I was just stating that carbs and fat do not build body tissues, only protein does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush_XIII

    Carbs are looking better. Up the protein some. This is where protein shakes may help out with increasing your intake. You need to be eating about a 1 1/2 of meat a day and two 50 gram protein shakes a day. You need to break 200 grams of protein for sure 250 is better.

    Bottom Line: You can increase your dose to 300 if you wanted. Not recommended. Testosterone (Hdrol) is only the messager telling the body what to do, build muscle. If you don't have the materials (protein, carbs, fats) you cant build new cells out of nothing. Its impossible. The diet is the foundation of your cycle not the Hdrol.
    Well basically my diet is based off my maintenance. Basically my maintenance is (or was, at some point) probably about 2000 calories or less (serious). With that said, I'm talking about maybe 50 grams of protein on a good day. Therefore, the way I see it, I should see gains as long as my calories are above that. But this is not exactly true, and it's not how I base my diet, just how I look at it.

    Anyway, I got two bottles of Halovar for free to compensate for the Hdrol that had 0 effect on me. So once I figure out the correct dosage tonight, I should be starting tomorrow. I WILL get 200 grams of protein a day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by threeFs View Post
    Well yes and no... Only protein builds body tissue
    Yes however if you do not consume enough carbs, the protein will be used as a source of energy before cell repair/building. For example let say I consume 50g carbs/350g protein/25g fat, I would burn through all my carbs very quickly then move on to protein as a source of energy. You wouldn't want that. You would want all 350g of protein to go toward building new cells. So you need to increase your carbs to a point where you feel confident that your body wont dip into your intake of protein that day. Fats are important in the regulation of your hormones.
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    I am also finishing up a cycle. Im on some weak **** though. Its called Steel Crushers. Its a four week cycle of Hdrol clone. I am done in 5 days. I did my research and the effects kicked in right on time, week 3. Since week 3 I have been eating big. Around 3000 calories. During week 3 I gained 10lbs. My macros can be seen below.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush_XIII
    I am also finishing up a cycle. Im on some weak **** though. Its called Steel Crushers. Its a four week cycle of Hdrol clone. I am done in 5 days. I did my research and the effects kicked in right on time, week 3. Since week 3 I have been eating big. Around 3000 calories. During week 3 I gained 10lbs. My macros can be seen below.

    <img src="http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=58 585"/>
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    But today is day 2 of my new cycle. Slacking on my cals this weekend because of lack of time. And I need to order a new protein powder tonight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NewYorkGiants View Post
    Well basically my diet is based off my maintenance. Basically my maintenance is (or was, at some point) probably about 2000 calories or less (serious). With that said, I'm talking about maybe 50 grams of protein on a good day. Therefore, the way I see it, I should see gains as long as my calories are above that. But this is not exactly true, and it's not how I base my diet, just how I look at it.

    Anyway, I got two bottles of Halovar for free to compensate for the Hdrol that had 0 effect on me. So once I figure out the correct dosage tonight, I should be starting tomorrow. I WILL get 200 grams of protein a day.
    There's no way that your maintenance is actually 2000 calories.

    I weigh about 20 pounds more than you, and my maintenance is approximately 3000 calories.

    You did 4 weeks of H-Drol, and now you're doing a whole new cycle of Halovar? You sure that's a good idea? Just because you didn't see the effects in muscle growth doesn't mean your liver/test/etc wasn't affected. Be careful bro.
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    OP, you and I have very similar stats and i was thinking of running Hdrol later this summer as a first cycle. i hope you get some good results man!
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    Thanks guys, and to the poster two posts above me, it might not be the greatest idea. But I'm a risk taker. So until I notice anything, I'm not too concerned. I'm treating it like I never ran that cycle.

    So today was my 7th day on Halovar. I'm up four pounds, not sure how, but now I'm 164. I upped the dosage to 75mg today. Hoping to see some amazing results in the coming weeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NewYorkGiants View Post
    Thanks guys, and to the poster two posts above me, it might not be the greatest idea. But I'm a risk taker. So until I notice anything, I'm not too concerned. I'm treating it like I never ran that cycle.

    So today was my 7th day on Halovar. I'm up four pounds, not sure how, but now I'm 164. I upped the dosage to 75mg today. Hoping to see some amazing results in the coming weeks.

    Did you get bloods done to confirm the bunkage of the Hdrol pills?
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    Have a question for the op when u took the 100 mgs how'd u take or if anyone else could answer would appreciate
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    Quote Originally Posted by stubbs481
    Have a question for the op when u took the 100 mgs how'd u take or if anyone else could answer would appreciate
    I'm doing 100 now and I dose 2 Hdrol upon waking which is 4pm for me, take cycle assist at 8 pm another Hdrol at 12 am cycle assist 330am and final Hdrol At 730am.
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    Thanks brotha
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    Quote Originally Posted by stubbs481
    Thanks brotha
    No prob, just try to keep the c/a and Hdrol dosed 4 hours apart.
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    So when u take it before u go to sleep it doesn't mess with u. When I first started to take I took right before bed and I would wake up multiple times n it was hard to go back to sleep
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    Quote Originally Posted by stubbs481
    So when u take it before u go to sleep it doesn't mess with u. When I first started to take I took right before bed and I would wake up multiple times n it was hard to go back to sleep
    Doesn't bother me at all if I do but the way that structure is I take mine at 730-8 and sleep at 9-930
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    Quote Originally Posted by silentgrimm1 View Post
    Everyone is different, but it isn't recommended to take before bed for that reason. Also everywehre I've read many people spread out there dosage throughout the day and never take multiple pills at once. This is why when you get up too 100mg it's kinda hard to space out all your dosages.

    -Hdrol does have a fairly long half-life at 12 hours and I dont take CA so I like to spread it apart by 4 hours. If I take more than one pill at once I feel like Im wasting kinda......thats just me thouu
    Not sure what you are talking about with the noone takes multiple at once.... Thats a new one by me, its actually standard when you get to 100 to take two pre workout.... Also the its not recommended to take right before bed is a pretty open statement. Where is it not recommended? I've read some reviews where people have trouble sleeping after dosing but most people have no issue. Strong first post though.
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    Drop that sodium buddy otherwise you'll be looking like the Michelin man near the end of your cycle! Otherwise good! Sub'd
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    Quote Originally Posted by LiveToLift

    Not sure what you are talking about with the noone takes multiple at once.... Thats a new one by me, its actually standard when you get to 100 to take two pre workout.... Also the its not recommended to take right before bed is a pretty open statement. Where is it not recommended? I've read some reviews where people have trouble sleeping after dosing but most people have no issue. Strong first post though.
    What kinds of "hard post" issues have you heard
  

  
 

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