are you staying pretty lean on this stack? give us an update on your weight.
Strength still going up. Narrow grip bench press is up from 230 to 250. Seems to be easier on the elbows than wide grip for some reason. Still working legs back into the routine slowly, started leg press today at 540 lbs. Knee feels ok now, we'll see how it is tomorrow. With the way the 4OHT is keeping bloat down by working as an anti-e I'm thinking about upping the 4AD to 2300 mg a week.
are you staying pretty lean on this stack? give us an update on your weight.
Yeah staying pretty lean on this cycle so far thats why I'm upping the 4AD to 2300 mg/week, dropping the 4OHT to 250 mg/week and keeping the 1-Test and 5AA where they were. The 4OHT at 1200 mg a week trandermal or 400 mg actual absorbed plus the 5AA cyp was keeping me too dry in my opinion as it seemed to be hindering my gains. I've had a great deal of body recomposition so far this cycle and excellent strength gains, but I'm just now getting back to 190 lbs following the knee injury and kidney infection. I believe the antibiotics were interfering with my gains as well. I was taking cipro and telkesis if I recall correctly. I do know that some antibiotics interfere with gains more than others. Body fat is still around 11% - 12%. Typically I run around 15 to 17 percent while on a bulking cycle then drop to about 13 to 14 percent. The way this cycle was originally planned it would be a great lbm cycle or could even be used as a cutting cycle running maintenance calories.
Last edited by uridium245; 11-02-2004 at 02:28 PM.
Had a great workout last night. Elbow pain was almost non-existent, MSM plus glucosamine seems to work everytime. I've decided to keep mid grip bench press at 270 and just increase reps for a while until the elbow pain is completly gone. Shrugs are up to 410 lbs for 2 sets of 8 reps. Pumps are starting to get painfull. Skin gets so tight it feels like its gonna rip and veins are popping out all over the place. I swear my biceps looked like a friggin road map while doing curls last night. Pumps are also staying longer, its been 12 hours since I was at the gym and my arms, chest and shoulders are still pumped. Made a few changes to my bicep routine last week that seem to be stimulating more growth. I typically follow a combination MaxOT/Dogcrap type work out, heavy weights two to three sets depending on wether its a compound movement or not and 6 to 8 reps. Strength has been what I have been most interested in to this point as too much bulk interferes with my martial arts. I've chage the routine by starting with 110 lb curl bar for 8 reps followed by 2 sets of bumbell curls 55 lbs for 8 reps, followed by 45 lbs for 12 reps and finally 40 lbs to failure. Another exercise (BP, flys, cable press etc..) is done between the first 3 exercise but not the last two. I typically alternate exercises bicep/tricep/bicep/chest/tricep etc. I've put a 1/4 inch on the old mini-guns in one week. I have no idea what the hell you would call this routine, but it seems to be working.
Five weeks in and everthing seems to running smoothly. Strength continues to show steady increases. Body recomp has been fantastic so far. I'm getting alot of compliments plus it seems everywhere I go the ladies just stare... damn I love that. Weighed in at 191 (yeah now were making progress), BF holding solid at 11%, arms are just a red c@nt hair under 17 inches cold. I have no clue what they are after a workout cause I'm not sure I could reach my other arm across with a tape measure.
Start of cycle
190 lbs 15% BF
161.5 lbs LBM
28.5 lbd FAT
5 Week mark
191 lbs 11% BF
170 lbs LBM
21 lbs FAT
So unless my math is AFU I'm half way into this cycle not including PCT and I've gained 8.5 lbs of lbm AND lost 7.5 lbs of fat. Not to shabby so far considering the problems early on. Did I mention "Damn I love cycles".
I've stayed away from cell volumizers and NO2 boosters so far to evaluate this particular combo and I gotta say I have liked it so far. I will now be adding Citrulline Malate 3 grams a day, AAKG 5 grams a day and CEE HCL 2 grams a day to see how far a medium dose PH stack can be pushed. Hope I can still wipe my butt after going to gym. If not I guess I could always buy a bidet. Yeah, there's nothing quite like pointing a fire hose at your arse.
Those must be the cheap kindOriginally Posted by uridium245
Sounds like the cycle is rolling along just fine. Ask one of the women staring to do it for you =DI have no clue what they are after a workout cause I'm not sure I could reach my other arm across with a tape measure.
On a more serious note, you mentioned not wanting to add too much bulk so as not to interfere with martial arts training. In general what types of lifts etc. have given you the most carryover to your training in martial arts?
I have never trained martial arts and am very uncoordinated in general. A lot of the guys I knew in college that trained martial arts were incredibly powerful and particularly fast. That combo was bound to help them move more iron and it usually did. Do you find that doing speed agility training in martial arts carry's over well to lifting. Or does it seem to work better to do direct speed work (a la dynamic effort method of westside) specifically in the movements you train. Just curious as to your take on it.
Nice results all around so far.
I typically bulk twice a year and use a MaxOT/Dog Crap HIT type of training routine to stimulate maximum muscle fibre recruitment / CNS conditioning. I then use the following routine for two months followed by a month of HIT.
Take 70 % of your 10 rep single set max and perform the following. Perform 1 lift pause 1 second, perform 2 lifts pause 2 seconds etc... to 10 reps. This is a total of 54 lifts, these should be performed as explosively as possible with no more than a 3 second negative. The idea is to keep or increase explosive power and increase conditioning (try it you'll see what I mean) without stimulating too much muscle growth thru micro tearing.
In martial arts speed and accuracy are much more important that raw power for multiple reasons. #1 Speed, what can't be seen can not be defended against (try sparing againt a fifth degree black belt and you'll also see what I mean). #2 Speed also, this one is basic physics. Power=mass x velocity. Increase the velocity of a punch or kick and it will carry considerably more power. However if you increase mass too much velocity will suffer, resulting in less power. #3 Accuracy, If you can't connect with your target, power is irrelevant. Try punching someone square in the nose and miss 3 inches high. You will hit square in the middle of the forehead where bone thickness is at its greatest. This will just piss off your opponent and hurt your hand like a bitch.
I have found that after carrying the additional bulk around for a couple of months and then shaving off the excess results in phenominal increases in explosive speed. I can routinely kick faster than most of my opponents can punch. This usually frustrates the hell out of them, throws their game off, resulting in me wiping the floor with their asses.
As far as types of lifts that directly carry over to martial arts. Anything which is a compound movement will carry over to some extent as the is no such thing as an ISO knifehand strike. As far as being uncoordinated goes Cardinal. EVERYONE I have ever seen start martial arts training looked uncoordinated and felt like an idiot their first day and felt that everyone was watching them. Plus they had very limited flexibility with the possible exception of a few young ladies I know that started recently These all disappear over time.
The only time raw power ever comes into the equation is if we are doing ground fighting which borrows alot from grappling, Jiu Jitsu and Hapkido. If this happens in a real fight its because you ****ed up somewhere or got blindsided.
Sorry, didn't mean to write a friggin book.
Thanks for taking the time to write all that out! Much appreciated. I knew you would have an interesting take for how to develop speed and explosiveness. Definitely learned a lot from reading your post.
I am going to have to give that technique for explosive power and conditioning a try! Running some numbers, I figured I would end up working with about 55% give or take of a 1RM. Sounds about right for advanced speedwork.
A minor digression. You have run across an old physics geek here. I think your point #2 would work better like this. Power = Force*Velocity. Momentum = Mass*Velocity.
Speed is more helpful than mass when it comes to generating power. But more mass does mean more power given same velocity. Best way to show 'why' more mass tend to slow max velocity is to look at principle of inertia and realize that anytime you must change direction, you always undergo an acceleration. And more mass makes this tough.
Power is just work done per unit time. Energy or work scales as .5*mass*velocity^2. So when doing something like breaking a board with your hand you can see that both mass and velocity contribute to the power, but velocity much more so (one reason why small girl can break board easy as big bodybuilder, she moves hand faster).
Sorry for the phsyics jibberish. Will remove if requested. It is rare that I get to apply a little of what I spent so much money getting in college =D
Hey uridium, what martial arts do you train in? And for how long if you dont mind me asking
Am curious how much of a difference you notice using the explosive training techniques you described.
Fellow martial artist.. i train mixed martial arts.. submission wrestling, MT, boxing..
cheers and great log
Thanks for the correction Cardinal. I used to be a geek myself. What the hell am I saying? I'm still a geek. It used to be physics/chemistry 15 - 20 years ago now its computers. The times change but I guess we never really do.
I've dabbled in various martial arts off and on for about 15 years but only really got serious about 3 years ago. Now I train in Taekwondo and Krav Maga. I am currently studying to become a certified instructor in TKD which has a few extra benifits over the standard trainging as we regularly attend what they term leadership seminars, but are primarily instruction in advanced TKD techniques mixed with instruction from other martial arts. Typically Akido, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu
, Kung Fu, Hapkido, Judo, Karate, etc... TKD is sometimes called a flying martial arts as it focuses alot on flying kicks. It stresses the forms, weapons, philosophy and tradition, but continues to change and evolve.
Krav Maga is a hand to hand combat style training that was invented for and is used by the Israelie military. It is a very well rounded system that focuses on striking and ground fighting and is considered a hard style of martial arts. It is probably the best martial art training you can get for street use. (said while putting on an asbestos suit). It does not focus on forms/katas, philosophy or tradition. It's about doing the most amount of damage to your opponent in the least amount of time. It isn't pretty, but it works, just ask Bas Rutten 3 time UFC Champion. It also goes into great detail in defeating opponents that are armed. Which probably explains why so many police forces are now begining to mandate training in Krav Maga.
After switching to my speed style training I usually see a huge difference in my speed and I'm able to go at full throttle much longer. While bulking I feel like such a puss cause 10 minutes into it and I'm sucking wind and sweating like a pig.
Thanks for the feedback, i think i might try your speed training.. i can always use more gas.
Krav Maga is supposed to be pretty hardcore.. i have heard lots of good things about it in reference to street defence.
Well, I'm about to break one of my own cardinal rules. I have always advocated and have personally used the most aggressive compounds at the beginning of a cycle. However, starting next week I'm going to break my own rule by adding 100 mg a day of M1,4ADD to the final 4 weeks of my cycle. Blasphemy you say... maybe. My reasons are as follow:
1. This will be my last legal cycle and as such will probably be my last.
2. This cycle has produced only dry gains with zero water retention.
3. I still have a small amount of annoying elbow pain that I believe is being caused by the 1 Test dose being close to a gram a week. I would like to see if the water retention caused by this product will help with lubrication of the joints.
4. Just in case its not my last cycle I'd like to evaluate how I respond to D-Bol.
5. Gains seem to be slowing down. But I'm eating all I can force down. 1-Test has never been good for my appetite, but I hear M1,4ADD/D-Bol increases appetite.
Ok you can all drag out the leg irons and flay the barbarian followed by a nice cozy burning at the steak (sic... see I'm getting hungry already). Whose bringing the marshmellows and beer? Then we'll top off the evening with a good old fashioned lynching. Sounds like fun. Oh, were talking about me right. Never mind what I just said... the last part anyways.
Good call! M1,4 is my new favorite compound......but youre right about the wet thing, its the wettest thing I've ever been on. The 5aa cyp should dry out the gains tho. I'm loving 150mg ED, but 100mg should do the trick too. My hunger and thirst are through the roof. Good luck!Originally Posted by uridium245
Well been on the Citrulline Malate,AAKG & CEE HCL for a 10 days and the M1,4ADD for 5 days. Strength and indurance have both increased. Arms are finally 17" cold. The CEE and M1,4ADD have FINALLY eliminated the last of my elbow pain. Hot Damn! Weight is up about another 2 pounds but I don't really see much of any bloating, calipers say BF is the same. Veins are still popping out all over the place while working out and the six pack hasn't left town yet. I'm definetly enjoying the pumps as there now getting to the point where I have had to cut my workout short.
The only downside to the CM and AAKG that I have noticed is when doing heavy lifts I turn beet red. Ah the wonders of vasodialation. I have also noticed a need for more sleep at these levels of androgens. I have heard that usually happens, but I've never been on this much **** at one time before.
Tomorrow will be leg day woopee!
Hopefully you rspond to M1,4ADD. And i think its it to help your elbow rather than CEE
I would use it as 2-weeks kickstarter for a cycle in place of M1T, but i may opt for Superdrol...
I'm on CM and CEE myself and the red face is happening to me as well during heavy efforts: but who cares?
Are you taking CM both morning and bedtime (at least 3g+3g)? When i dont forget the night dose (rare), i wake up less tired
No I've been taking the CM & CEE about 3 hours before my workouts. I usually don't get to the gym until about 8 pm. I know it's kinda late but I'm a bit of night owl and there are less people at the gym. I definately like the CEE MUCH better than straight creatine. I have had zero gastro problems.
I may try that second dose of CM before bed and see if it helps. My intensity level is soo high at the gym that I'm usually wasted the next day and really dont want to get up.
Strangely enough I'm starting to look forward to this cycle being over as I am getting real tired of injecting 14.4 cc's a week. It's almost enough to send someone over to the dark side. (Said in Yoda's voice) You must be strong with the force and resist or fall into temptation you will.
Then CM first thing in the morning would help. Take 3-4g, it helps me a lot starting th day. I would waive the night dose but not the morning one.Originally Posted by uridium245
Well, I had a feeling it might happen after adding the M1,4ADD to the already extensive list of **** I'm taking on this cycle. What might IT be your asking... Gyno, Bitch Tits, Gozanga, Knockers. I noticed a small lump a little smaller than a pea under the right nipple that was sore. Must have been the methyl estadiol that M1,4ADD/DBOL converts to, combined with the lowered dose of 4OHT and discontinuation of 6OXO. I wanted to retain more water to help with joint pain and it worked. I guess I kinda knew cutting back on the anti-e's could result in this which is why I've been checking the nipples every other day. Not to worry though, I've plenty of Nolva on hand and will be increasing the 4OHT and 6OXO dose back to where it was. It should be gone inside a week. I will continue to keep the 4OHT and 6OXO at their new levels however for the duration of this cycle.
Hit the gym for leg day. I wan't to sure how legs would go today as I injected quads on Tuesday and the right one was pretty damn sore. It went really well, blew past my previous presonal record for leg press by 20 lbs. 630's not much but form was perfect. Leg curls went up another 10 lbs also. Now I'm really looking forward to ham, deviled eggs, crannberry sauce, etc...
Happy Thanksgiving everyone.