First Cycle - H-Drol: Critique Needed
- 06-20-2011, 12:35 PM
First Cycle - H-Drol: Critique Needed
So I'm going to make this as short and sweet as possible while also including all relevant information about myself and the cycle I intend to run.
BF%: Currently ~12-14% (going off of photos I've seen of others)
Experience: 6 Years
1RM Bench: 245
1RM Deadlift: 325
Growing up, I was thin and athletic, but never very strong. Once I got in to college, the freshman 15 quickly turned to the freshman 50. I ballooned from 220 to 270 between the ages of 17 and 19. One day, I looked in the mirror and decided to make a change. As of August 2011, it will be 6 years since I've had a soda or any fast food. When I first started lifting, my max bench was 105 pounds and couldn't do a single pull-up. I got down to about 210 and realized I was skinny-fat and not a whole lot stronger. I started doing research and understanding the science behind health, nutrition and eventually, bodybuilding. Aesthetics are important to me, but I wanted to be healthy. The mental difficulty of "bulking" after having just lost 60 pounds was overwhelming, but I did it. By 23, I had bulked to 230 and subsequently cut back down to 210. I've done this three times now, each time being sure to increase my LBM while lowering my BF. Eventually, I started meeting likeminded people, and recently (last 6-8 months) I've been researching ph's and AAS. Both the concept and the science behind how and why these work intrigue me.
I'm currently cutting down to 215 before my H-Drol cycle. On cycle, I hope to gain 8-12 pounds of LBM while maintaining a very clean diet. Long term, I would like to be about 225 and 8% BF. Keep in mind that I genetically have a very slow metabolism... so this is an ambitious goal, but I'm going to make it happen.
Diet: I will be doing a 40/40/20 split on lifting days and low carb on my non-lifting days.
Routine: I will be doing Layne Norton's PHAT Routine as outlined on SimplyShredded.
2 weeks: Pre-load CEL Cycle Assist and Milk Thistle
Halodrol: 50/50/75/75/75/(75) (TBD on whether I will do 5 or 6 weeks)
CEL Cycle Assist
Cycle Assist (6 weeks)
Tamox Citrate: 20/20/20/20/10/10
Activate Xtreme (4 weeks)
Lean Xtreme (4 weeks)
Inhibit-E (6 Weeks)
White Flood (new formula)
- I picked up some PCT Assist, but later decided to run Activate Xtreme instead. I have always had GREAT success with test boosters in the past, but do you see any benefit in using one over the other?
- The tamoxifen I purchased is liquid form and came from one of the advertisers on this website. Is there any benefit of using the liquid Tamox vs. using Nolva in tablet form? (Aside from liquid tasting like crap )
- Should I run a test booster for the duration of my PCT? I feel like my PCT could be overkill, but obviously it's better to be safe than sorry.
I appreciate all the feedback you guys are able to give me in advance. I do plan to log this from start to finish and include pictures as well.
- 06-20-2011, 01:12 PM
06-20-2011, 01:14 PM
- There should be no difference, though I'd always take the pharm grade tabs if given an option (personal preference).
- You can run the test booster for the duration or just cease after a month.
- I'd also cut your SERM from 6 weeks down to 4: 20/20/10/10 should be fine.
06-20-2011, 02:35 PM
I'd rather take the pharm grade tabs too, but unfortunately, I'm new to my current location and don't have any of the old contacts that I used to, so international shipping would be expensive.
I guess I had always read that PCT should match the # of weeks that you're on cycle. I'm okay with a shorter one as long as I'm not in danger of risking gyno. I am somewhat predisposed to prepubertal gyno, but it's very mild. I've done all the research re: any additional risks and bottom line was, "Don't be stupid."
06-20-2011, 02:52 PM
For SERM PCT's, I always see them at 4 weeks. No reason to run them longer that I've ever seen or am aware of. Now the other stuff, you can certainly run longer. Some people jump on the natty test booster as soon as PCT starts, others wait until a week or 2 in to start it. Kudos on doing your homework, btw.
06-20-2011, 07:57 PM
I forgot to ask too... see a lot of folks who are jumping on the DAA bandwagon. I've been following DAA since it first becoming "all the rage" about a year ago and gave TestForce2 a shot back in December when I ran it for 6 weeks, but honestly didn't see any difference with it than I did on any of my other bulks. Are there additional benefits when using with PCT as opposed to using it by itself?
06-20-2011, 08:03 PM
06-21-2011, 12:27 AM
06-21-2011, 12:34 AM
agree w the 4 week serm 20/20/10/10
also, preload the cissus/fish oil for the joints....that way they'll be ready!
also, many have reported mixing the liquid nolva into juice to ease that nasty taste...not a lot...more of a shot (in a shot glass).
06-21-2011, 12:53 AM
07-12-2011, 02:05 AM
I'm starting an Hdrol cycle soon as well and can't decide on whether or not to do a 6th week. What are you going to base your 6th week choice on?
07-12-2011, 09:17 AM
I ran 100mg of helladrol stacked with 300mg of a non-methyl and had no sides. Libido was fine. I'm sure my lipids and cholesterol are whacked but that's why you take proper cycle support while on and in post cycle. Had slight shutdown too. Honestly I would say bump your dosages up. You aren't stacking and I think 6 weeks would be beneficial.
07-12-2011, 10:28 AM
07-12-2011, 01:36 PM
07-12-2011, 02:01 PM
07-12-2011, 02:34 PM
07-12-2011, 03:11 PM
you can drop the cycle assist in PCT
and dont run inhibit longer than 6 weeks
2/1/1/1 EOD is fine
Serious Nutrition Solutions
08-02-2011, 03:59 PM
I'm still a little unsure of how I'm going to do my PCT. I picked up some DAA, so now I've got PCT Assist, Activate Xtreme and DAA. Haha! I've also got Nolva (liquid) and Inhibit e. Obviously it just depends on which one I decide to go with. I bumped up to 75mg in the 2nd week since I've experienced zero sides. Been at that for four days now and honestly, still haven't noticed much.
Will start the log on Friday (start of 3rd week of the cycle) and will PM you then.
Also, intending on only gonig 5 weeks as I've got a tripped planned that would conflict with my PCT if I went six. Such is life. Just means I have to do this again in the winter
05-15-2012, 01:00 PM
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