Real Power Can't Be Given
07-23-2004 12:26 PM
Real Power Can't Be Given
5mg M1T ED
200mg 1-T Transdermal (T-Gel) ED
400mg 4-AD Transdermal (T-Gel) ED
5mg M1T ED
250mg 1-T ED
400mg 4-AD ED
250mg 1-T ED
400mg 4-AD ED
40mg-80mg M5AA ED
250mg 1-T ED
200mg 4-AD ED
70-80mg M5AA ED
Post Cycle Therapy
CNW Nolvadex(40 reducing to 20 over 6 weeks)
CNW Clen (2 on / 2 off)
E HCL / Caffeine
Minimum Depleted BW: 180 lbs
Arms: 14.6, 14.75" = L,R
Date Taken: July 22, 2004
Training Experience: 10 yrs (2 BB/Strength Training)
Past Cycle Experience
4 week cycle 1-T(200-300mg ED)/4AD(200mg ED).
6-oxo PCT (kept all of gains)
On from 5/16/04 to 6/16/04
PCT through 7-14-04
2-4 lbs gain in lbm
20lb gain in Squat
15lb gain in Chinning strength
Very little improvement in pressing strength
Supps, Diet, Training etc. to follow. Plan is to update this daily when possible in a detailed manner. I have had this six weeker planned for some time now, and recently added in the M1T to kickstart the cycle as suggested on several threads by Cuffs. I am comfortable with the idea of using a mild dose M1T as a first cycle. I have a good handle on how I react to 1-T dosed 200-300mg/Day. All comments/suggestions at anytime are welcomed! I am looking forward to a good bulking cycle.
Last edited to reflect dosage reduction on M1T in week 1, and increase in 1-Test for week 2. Also to reflect decreased usage of 4AD in weeks 5-6, and increased dosing of M5AA.
Last edited by Cardinal; 08-23-2004 at 05:20 PM.
07-23-2004 12:43 PM
If you want to pyramid on the M1T, I would pyramid up (5mg 1st week, 10mg 2nd week) instead of down.
I figure you are trying to jumpstart your cycle but since m1t is going to shut down your natty test production during the first week anyways at any dose, you might as well do a full 2 week cycle, bumping from 5mg to 10mg if you are not getting results. if you do week 2 at 5mg or 10mg you will still be shutdown, so might as well take advantage of the M1T. Don't bump to 10mg unless you need it, I would bet the stress m1t puts on people does not increase linearlly with the amount of compound taken.
Be sure to eat, putting on only 2-4lbs during a 4 week 1-t cycle seems kinda low unless you were cutting.
07-23-2004 12:49 PM
Minimum 3500 Calories
2g/lb lbm Protein
6-8 Liters Water/Day
Sample Food Selection
Tuna, Eggs, Turkey Burgers, WPC80, Low Fat Cottage Cheese, Chicken, Bobsredmill Extra thick oatmeal, Nature's own double fiber ww bread, EVOO, Fish Oil, Green Beans, zucchini, tomatoes, blueberries, spinach, onion, carrots
Extra (B, C, E, Zinc)
Green Tea Extract (Caffeine)
Electrolytes (Ca+, K+, Mg+)
BSL WPC 80
Soluble Fiber/Thickeners (Psyllium, Xantham)
Fish oil (6g/ED)
Training Focus (Strength/Hypertrophy)
Primary Lifts Trained (Current Best):
Leg Press/Leg Curl
Horizontal Pressing (e.g. Bench, CGBP) (180x5, 215x1)
Overhead Pressing (140x5)
1) Avoid injury!
Miscellaneous Notes (Read if bored)
I'll post BW statistics at the start of my cycle. I expect to gain at least 10 lbs before starting due to glycogen loading etc. I won't be surprised if I experience a high amount of lethargy and HPTA shutdown within the first week of this. M1T dosing will be adjusted as necessary based on side effects. I didn't post a specific training plan as I will likely train to accomodate any problems encountered with M1T during weeks 1-2. I plan to start this within the next few days. I wanted to wait until I had taken my exam(GMAT) and finished a school project. I also am coming off 5 days heavy depletion and would like to normalize my bodyweight and metabolism a bit before beginning. By my calculations, I lost roughly 1.8 lbs bodyfat in about 5 days with a modicum of strength/muscle loss.
07-23-2004 01:02 PM
Thank you for the feedback! I actually like your idea of starting at 5mg. In fact, I wouldn't mind going 5mg for both weeks there. I see the wisdom in the current line of thinking not to use any more M1T than absolutely necessary to show results.
I agree, I definitely could have gotten a bit more out of my first cycle. I didn't feel shutdown and gains were coming along nicely when I stopped at week 4. I made a couple of mistakes I won't make again. During the first two weeks I overate to a large extend and ended up gaining quite a bit of bodyfat (I didn't notice the 1-T kicking in until week 3). From there I reduced my caloric intake to 3500 (my BW had hit 210) for the final 2 weeks. That is likely what limited my anabolism. I did manage to lean out quite nicely though during those two weeks, which surprised me a great deal.
This time around I am going to be a bit more cautious. But I have at least one good thing going for me. My appetite doesn't end and I have no trouble intaking massive amounts of calories. I am actually hoping to get some appetite suppression from the M1T. I have included several appetite suppressants (Nicotine/Caffeine, No E HCL, Soluble fiber) as the increased appetite from 1-Test was part of the reason I went overboard last cycle. The suppresant mechanisms I use give me the control I need to plant calories whereever I want them. So binging issues shouldn't be a big deal this time. I am also looking forward to getting some diversification going in the diet. More protein from different sources for a change.
I also ate very consistently on PCT. Based on real world results, I think my maintenance is a bit above 15xBW. I also used E/C off and on to control appetite and that may have increased metabolism a bit. I am toying with the idea of including 1-2 HIIT session per week or other similar options for cardio which would give me further confidence in increasing calories.
Edit: Also noted. Using 5mg each week will give me a chance to adjust calorie levels for week 2 and know what to expect. I think roughly 3800 kcals would be a good starting point for the first week.
Once again, thank you for the feedback. Any and all suggestions welcomed. My home computer is FUBAR and I may not have access tonight (Friday) or Saturday. Virus has slowed my comp down I can't really download webpages or post. I'll check this a bit later if possible. I hope to be able to provide a lot of good feedback as my cycle progresses. For a non-injectable, hopefully this will produce adequate results. I know my diet will be key. Time to go eat!
Last edited by Cardinal; 07-23-2004 at 01:39 PM.
07-25-2004 09:00 PM
Morning Bodyweight: 189lbs
Rest: 8 Hours
I started my cycle today. 5mg M1T taken upon rising. 100 mg 1-T and 187.5 mg 4-AD taken 2 hours later. Mild to moderate lethargy felt within 1 hour of 1-T administration. Just like last time! Green tea counteracted the lethargy nicely.
Using an accurate scale, I measured out 7.5 g 1-Test in and mixed in 120ml T-Gel. Leaving bottle cap loose, I heated it lightly in a waterbath for about 10 minutes. I tried to get closer to 8 grams to dissolve without success. I am dosing the 4AD at 375mg/day for easy of measurement.
First application went fine. I am applying a lot of transdermal lotion given the higher amount 4AD. The T-Gel is a lot easier to work with than the Dermabolics spray I used last go round. I made the application after a hot shower, applying it to thin skinned areas as commonly suggested to increase absorption.
Day 1 Log
July 25, 2004
Sample Daily Diet
Here is an idea of what a typical menu will look like. Normally I will just track calories/protein totals and keep it clean. I don't think I left anything out. Diet is a compromise b/w what I think should yield really solid result and creating a ridiculously enjoyable diet using tons of food.
40 egg whites
6 whole eggs
2 cans tuna
2 loaves double fiber whole wheat bread
6g fish oil
3 lb bag iceberg lettuce
Jar dill pickles
1/2 container Cary's
1 pack sf gum
6 liters water
3 scoops WPC80
Promise low cal butter
Boatload of Fiber
Training July 25, 2004
BWx2x7, BWx6, BWx5
Partial Deads (Down to upper knee cap)
315x5, 335x5, 325x6
Felt rested and in positive spirits. Weights are representative of my true strength at start of cycle. Caffeine gave me a nice energy boost preworkout.
If I think of more I will add it in the morning!
Last edited by Cardinal; 08-08-2004 at 06:36 PM.
07-26-2004 07:23 PM
July 26, 2004
Bodyweight: 193 lbs
Rest: 6.5 hours
Food: 3900 Calories, >300g Protein
195x4 (-10lbs), 195x3, 195x4
360x3x7 (-3 reps)
I felt weaker today than I have in quite some time. Lack of sleep (I need closer to 8 hours) combined with training the deadlift yesterday dropped my squat strength down 10lbs. Not quite the direction I want to be heading! I decided not to push it too hard, keeping the volume rather low. Plenty of time to go full throttle when the Androgens kick in.
I am going to dose some melatonin tonight and get in an hour or two extra sleep. It has always made a big difference for me in the past.
Overall, I feel fantastic eating this much food. I can eat all day long and not worry too much about going overboard given my food selection. Insulin has remained high and stable. Focus is good overall.
Last edited by Cardinal; 08-08-2004 at 06:27 PM.
07-27-2004 08:56 PM
July 27, 2004
Bodyweight: 193 lbs
Slumber: 8 hours (mission accomplished!)
Food: 3700 Calories
BP Postworkout: 131/62*
*They decided to plant a blood pressure monitor smack dab in the middle of our weight room. I am a little guy with little arms so maybe it will show accurately. I measured once a few days ago and got 111/58, oddly low I thought for postworkout. I am taking Hawthorn berry along with the M1T, so I'll keep track.
Barbell Military Press
135x2x4, 135x5, 140x3(-2 reps)
65x9x8, 65x2x7, 65x8
DB OH Press
I just started with the captain's of crush grippers and could close the #1 for sets of five once my hands warmed up. Plan is to work up in reps with the number one and try for the #2 when I can hit 10+. I am nowhere close now.
I got plenty of rest and felt good working out. I also didn't fatigue a great deal during the workout. Overall, quite normal. I was just much weaker than expected. I am not sure the cause. Complaints about weakness should cease within the week if all goes well!
Last edited by Cardinal; 08-08-2004 at 06:25 PM.
07-27-2004 09:05 PM
I never laid out a specific training protocol. My plan was and still is to take a shotgun approach and train intuitively. I have narrowed my focus a little bit regarding what I want to accomplish strengh-wise. I have never been a solid presser and have trained bench for many years. This time around I am going to focus on increasing overhead pressing by training the military press and push press frequently. I think I have more potential going that route. Horizontal pressing will be trained for hypertrophy without regard to strength.
Roughly I am looking at training pulling work and pressing work every third day, however that falls schedulewise. Squatting will be done every 4th or 5th day. Deadlifting and Hang cleans each at least once a week. I may forgo deadlifting somewhat and and work on cleans some weeks so I can train them more frequently.
I am now carrying three bags of food around with me in addition to my bookbag. Wondering if I still need to go to the gym and lift =D Comments from peers have already started regarding the overall food volume consumed at each meal. As needed I will get more calorie dense foods in there but so far appetite has been at full throttle.
07-28-2004 01:55 AM
Thanks for the updates, are you really eating two loaves of bread a day? Are those full loaves? That is a lot of bread!
07-28-2004 09:26 AM
Yes. They are the nature's own double fiber loaves. I just made a bunch of sandwiches yesterday and ate them while I was studying throughout the day. It comes to about 40 slices bread total.
I am going to use more protein and fat meals today and skip out on the bread. Only major downside I have noticed so far is that it takes a lot of time to eat that much all day long. I am experiencing more soreness in my jaw than any other muscles at this point. Today will be my off day so to speak =D
07-28-2004 10:30 PM
July 28, 2004
Sleep: 8 Hours
Food: 3600 Calories
BP Preworkout: 113/61
HS Low Rows
DB Ab Work
No change in strength levels yet. Bodyweight was about 2 lbs higher than expected coming in the form of visible sub-c water retention. Very mild lethargy, predictably after 1-T application.
As I progress into this first week, I am systematically eliminating anything from my setup that might result in a lack of progress. I want to have everything tweaked by the time I notice results from the androgens. Today I incorporated a lot more dietary fat (n-9) with a temporary reduction in cho. I expect a slight drop in waterweight tomorrow and am taking a planned day off from training to rest up. No cardio has been done or will be done until I decide to bump calories further. Right now I am sitting roughly 750 cals/day over calculated maintenance.
Last edited by Cardinal; 08-08-2004 at 06:22 PM.
07-30-2004 02:20 PM
July 29, 2004
Rest: 8 Hours
Food: 3600 Calories
Protein: 1.5g/lb lbm (High Fat)
Today's update to come...
Last edited by Cardinal; 08-08-2004 at 06:23 PM.
07-30-2004 02:43 PM
July 30, 2004
Bodyweight: 189 lbs
Sleep: 7.5 hours
BP: Forgot to take it
195x5, 200x5, 205x4(-1 rep off best), 210x3
250x10(no change), 250x2x9
DB OH Press
My training intensity today was identical to the way I felt 'on' last cycle with 1-T/4AD. Felt more stable under the weight, adding poundage and reps from last workout. Though stronger, it was nothing freakish. Pumps were moderate in nature. No cramping anywhere or other side effects.
Changes that could account for strength:
Increase dietary fat at expense of cho. No change in calories. I was well rested but felt somewhat lethargic coming into the workout.
Since this is day 6, it is possible that the 4-AD could be kicking in. A few reports indicate noticiing effects roughly one week in on 4AD. I hope and and believe however that it is the M1T. I haven't seen much data on how quickly the M1T kicks in, but more often than not I see the pattern of noticing results at day sixish. I am going to stick to the dosage of 5mg/ED assuming continued progress.
I am bumping the 1-Test to 250mg each day and plan on running that amount for the duration of my cycle, again contingent on results.
After doing a bit more reading on M1T, I am going to approach each workout by attempting to add weight to the bar rather than adding volume and repetitions, all the while continuing to train bodyparts frequently to max out growth opportunities.
Looking forward to tomorrow's workout.
Last edited by Cardinal; 08-08-2004 at 06:20 PM.
08-01-2004 05:37 PM
July 31, 2004
Sleep: 8 Hours
Food: 3750 Calories
BB High Pulls
3 work sets with #1
*Going for 10 Clean reps/set. Will then attempt #2.
Slight but noticable increase in strength. My next training split should give me a good feel for how much strength I am getting off of M1T. Today (Sunday) is a rest day.
Bloating and water retention is substantial. Libido has been steadily increasing since about day 4 of cycle.
August 1, 2004
Sleep: 9 hours
Food: About 3800 calories planned
Last edited by Cardinal; 08-08-2004 at 06:19 PM.
08-02-2004 07:14 PM
August 2, 2004
Sleep: 7.5 hours
Food: 4000 Calories Planned
195x5, 200x5, 210x2x4, 185x7
360x12, 410x9, 450x5, 470x2x4
Calf Work On Leg Press
Bodyweight up a lot more than expected. A lot of bloat and water retention, presumably both due to M1T/4AD combo. Libido is still increasing markedly.
Training went well. I was disappointed not to show much strength increase on the squat. However, I got a fairly significant PR on the leg press. It felt great overall.
Noticed a minor amount of muscle cramping I believe to be due to inadequate water intake yesterday. No lower back or calf cramping yet. Rather, I felt it in my shoulders, chest and lower quad of all places. Same places I typically get unexplained cramping. I will probably run calories a bit closer to 4000 this week to max out anabolism.
Note: Looking back at my training log of last cycle, I am also a bit stronger on leg curls, so I am pretty much hitting PR territory on all leg work. Good stuff.
Last edited by Cardinal; 08-08-2004 at 06:18 PM.
08-02-2004 08:01 PM
Nice work. That's a crazy jump in body weight... likely due to the cessation of M1T. I usually gain several pounds after a M1T cycle. It's wierd.
Looking good man. Great log.
08-03-2004 02:00 PM
Thanks for checking my log biomann. Glad to have the feedback. I am actually still running the M1T. I am on day 10 now and will run it a full two weeks at 5mg.
Originally Posted by bioman
I hope I do experience a jump in bodyweight coming off though. I am more inclined to think my weight will drop some however if the bloating is mainly M1T and not 4AD related. We'll see. Time to hit the gym...
08-03-2004 06:06 PM
wow dude, 25 pounds in 9 days!!!! amazing. i'm actually in my first day of a similar cycle, so i'm curious as to how yours is going, being that u are a week ahead of me. hey, how tall are you by the way, just so i get an idea of ur composition.
08-03-2004 06:07 PM
August 3, 2004
Sleep: 7 hours
Food: 4000 Calories
Midworkout BP: 118/63
175x3, 165x2x5 (no change), 160x5
HS Decline Press
DB OH Press
250x2x9 (no change)
Finished with ab work and 10 minutes incline walking.
Decent to good pump during workout. No change in strength levels though again, I felt much more solid under the weight on all movements.
Noticeably worse today. I had to be very careful working out both regarding exercise selection and weights used, taking lots of extra time to warm up to hopefully avoid possible muscle pulls.
Again, I will mention, the cramping is not in lower back or calves, but instead in places where I normally cramp up badly (chest, quads, and a little shoulders). Time will tell if my supplemental regime will help with the cramps. I am still going with K, both dietary and supplemental, Mg, and 1-2 gallons water per day along with 3-5g taurine.
Pure eating enjoyment. I have discovered the low-carb tortilla and replaced my double fiber bread intake with these the last few days (as if more fiber was needed!). These things pack 14g fiber per tortilla and 8g protein. Ridiculous.
Last edited by Cardinal; 08-08-2004 at 06:16 PM.
08-03-2004 06:30 PM
Is your planned cycle posted yet? I'll run a search and see if I can find it. Curious as to what you will be doing.
Originally Posted by realsoundjim
I am a hair shy of 6'2".
I am up 25 lbs, but I don't want to give an inaccurate picture of where the weight is coming from. My initial measurement was in a depleted state. Day 1 of my cycle I was at 189 lbs. I know from past eating experience, I could bloat up to no more than 195 eating eucalorically.
So with confidence I can say I am up 10 lbs in 9 days, some of which is due to eating roughly 800-900 calories over maintenance. The rest is almost certainly coming from M1T and 4AD.
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